Did Jesus order purchase of swords in Lu 22:36?

[jerzy]

Let’s firstly note that the multiple meaning word “machaira” may also mean a knife.

Let’s take a look at the text in KJV:

Luk 22:36 Then3767 said2036 he unto them,846 But235 now,3568 he that hath2192 a purse,905 let him take142 it, and2532 likewise3668 his(2532) scrip:4082 and2532 he that hath2192 no3361 sword, let him sell4453 his848 garment,2440 and2532 buy59 one.(3162)

It can be clearly seen, that the word “sword” is added to this text as there is no number showing what original word was used. We know that the word appears in ancient scripts but was omitted here probably because it has been used out of the context.​

We note that Jesus tells his apostles to take purses and scripts for the trip. Thus Jesus must have referred to a purse not a sword. If one had no purse he ought to sell his garment in order to buy a script not a sword. It can also have deeper meaning, namely that a script is more important that a garment.

It becomes particularly clear in the context of the prior verse:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Jesus clearly refers to purses, scripts and shoes not to swords.

Likewise the following verse doesn’t indicate Jesus’ intention of engaging in combat:

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

The verse 38 makes it absolutely obvious that Jesus didn’t command people to sell their garments in order to buy swords as the two “swords” were already enough:

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Did Jesus refer to two swords or just to two knifes used, say, at a table?

One also wonders how Peter “managed” to cut off only the year using a sword. Perhaps he used a knife?

Perhaps Jesus foresaw Peter’s action and his ability to deliver a stern rebuke of such action among his followers?

Further, neither Jesus nor the apostles toughed or displayed combat. Jesus rebuked and corrected Peter’s action in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Besides, we don’t seem to be aware that a Christian should follow the Lord Jesus Christ and love his enemy, as he did, not be involved in the barbaric Christian wars butchering one another in large numbers for whatever reason over millennia.

 

[JoeinArkansas]

Let’s firstly note that the multiple meaning word “machaira” may also mean a knife.

Let’s take a look at the text in KJV:

Luk 22:36 Then3767 said2036 he unto them,846 But235 now,3568 he that hath2192 a purse,905 let him take142 it, and2532 likewise3668 his(2532) scrip:4082 and2532 he that hath2192 no3361 sword, let him sell4453 his848 garment,2440 and2532 buy59 one.(3162)

It can be clearly seen, that the word “sword” is added to this text as there is no number showing what original word was used. We know that the word appears in ancient scripts but was omitted here probably because it has been used out of the context.​

We note that Jesus tells his apostles to take purses and scripts for the trip. Thus Jesus must have referred to a purse not a sword. If one had no purse he ought to sell his garment in order to buy a script not a sword. It can also have deeper meaning, namely that a script is more important that a garment.

It becomes particularly clear in the context of the prior verse:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Jesus clearly refers to purses, scripts and shoes not to swords.

Likewise the following verse doesn’t indicate Jesus’ intention of engaging in combat:

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

The verse 38 makes it absolutely obvious that Jesus didn’t command people to sell their garments in order to buy swords as the two “swords” were already enough:

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Did Jesus refer to two swords or just to two knifes used, say, at a table?

One also wonders how Peter “managed” to cut off only the year using a sword. Perhaps he used a knife?

Perhaps Jesus foresaw Peter’s action and his ability to deliver a stern rebuke of such action among his followers?

Further, neither Jesus nor the apostles toughed or displayed combat. Jesus rebuked and corrected Peter’s action in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Besides, we don’t seem to be aware that a Christian should follow the Lord Jesus Christ and love his enemy, as he did, not be involved in the barbaric Christian wars butchering one another in large numbers for whatever reason over millennia.

Dear Jerzy,
Jesus certainly did speak of swords to them. You forget that Jesus' words are "spirit" and to understand words that are "spirit", one must have spiritual understanding (spiritual vision). Mankind is born spiritally blind and the only way to be healed of our spiritual blindness is for Christ to choose us, come to us a second time and heal us. Here in Luke, Christ is speaking of the apostles carrying swords with them. The Word of God is our spiritual sword as Paul explained. The apostles told Christ that they had two swords and Christ said that is sufficient. Christ's meaning here is that a double witness of scripture is sufficient to prove a spiritual truth. Christ was speaking of literal swords but the truth we are to learn from it is spiritual. Christ never meant that we should carry literal swords. In fact, He clearly teaches against doing so in many other scriptures. He was telling those who have eyes to see, that we are to have with us the Word of God and that a double witness of scripure is sufficient to prove a spiritual truth.

Christ never spoke plainly to the people but only in words that are "spirit" (John 6:63). Even the physical acts that Christ did have spiritual meaning for His Elect to discover once their spiritual vision is healed. If a person continues to be spiritually blind, then they are not ever going to understand or believe the truth of Christ. His truth is hidden from the "many called" who fill up the churches of the world (all groups and denominations). But He has spared a "few" and healed their spiritual vision. They are His chosen Elect who will be His church and rule and reign with Him as kings and priests. After they are spiritually healed, they can then hear His call to "come out of her my people" and they quickly come out of the harlot and never look back (story of Lot)

Mark 8:21-25 is an example of Christ demonstrating this mystery of spiritual vision in the healing of a blind man. When a person is called out from the unbelievers (the town), they are only given enough spiritual vision and faith so as to allow them the desire to follow Christ (the blind man's first healing). But they are spiritually nearsighted and can only see carnal things. But to truly understand Christ, one must be able to understand spiritual things. Because the "many called" remain spiritually blind (nearsighted), they are easily and quickly deceived by Satan and they enter his church. Satan masquerades as an angel of light. But for the chosen elect, Christ will come to them again while they are in the harlot (Satan's) church and He will heal their blindness completely. Upon that second healing (second coming of Christ), the person finally sees who they have actually been following and come out from the harlot to start learning about the true Christ for the first time. That is what the book of Revelation is about - the "unveiling" of Christ. It teaches many, many spiritual truths that deal with God's plan of saving all of mankind. It is not a book of prophecy as the churches believe but a book of events that must occur within each person who comes to Christ. The events described in Revelation have been happening to His Elect ever since pentecost. That is why Revelation says that the sayings of this book are not to be sealed because the time is at hand (Rev 22:10). God's Elect keep the sayings of that book in this age. All others will keep the sayings of that book in the final age.

Until Christ comes again to a "called" person, they will remain carnally minded and will not be able to understand or accept the true teachings of Christ. Scripture declares it and I can testify to it as well. The mainstream churches are all harlot and there is no truth in them. Most of their doctrines are completely false (hell, trinity, tithing, death, etc.... and even what they call the Gospel is false). A few of their doctrines have some truth, but that makes their deception even worse. No one understands until Christ comes again to the individual and heals their vision. Unfortunately for now, in this age, Christ is only choosing His church and the vast majority of those in the harlot church will remain in the harlot church until they die. That matches to the Israelites' wandering in the wilderness for 40 years - they all died except for Joshua and Caleb who represent the Elect who live to cross over the Jordan River. So for the Elect's sake, Christ will come again (Matt 24) and heal the Elect's spiritual vision so that they can come out from the harlot and cross over the Jordan. That is how Christ is gathering together His church. It is not how the church believes He is doing it but nonetheless, that is the way He is doing it. It all comes down to being spiritually blind and being unable to know the true Christ. The churches of the world are deceived by Satan and are not following Christ. It is God's plan for it to be that way and it is not by accident. God works in mysterious ways.

Can you now understand the true meaning of the swords from Luke?

Joe

 

[jerzy]

...,they are easily and quickly deceived by Satan and they enter his church. Satan masquerades as an angel of light.

The churches of the world are deceived by Satan and are not following Christ. It is God's plan for it to be that way and it is not by accident. God works in mysterious ways.

Who Satan is?

Can you now understand the true meaning of the swords from Luke?

Joe

Does it look that I didn't understand the meaning of the swords from Lu 22:36?

Anyway, thanks for a good post.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

The churches of the world are deceived by Satan and are not following Christ. It is God's plan for it to be that way and it is not by accident. God works in mysterious ways.

I think it is more like some people think in mysterious ways ....

"Jesus builds his church" ... and you say they are following Satan ?? Give me a break.!!

This mysterious thinking you have is completely bizarre Joe.

I hope you are not serious.

 

[Pelaides]

Let’s firstly note that the multiple meaning word “machaira” may also mean a knife.

Let’s take a look at the text in KJV:

Luk 22:36 Then3767 said2036 he unto them,846 But235 now,3568 he that hath2192 a purse,905 let him take142 it, and2532 likewise3668 his(2532) scrip:4082 and2532 he that hath2192 no3361 sword, let him sell4453 his848 garment,2440 and2532 buy59 one.(3162)

It can be clearly seen, that the word “sword” is added to this text as there is no number showing what original word was used. We know that the word appears in ancient scripts but was omitted here probably because it has been used out of the context.​

We note that Jesus tells his apostles to take purses and scripts for the trip. Thus Jesus must have referred to a purse not a sword. If one had no purse he ought to sell his garment in order to buy a script not a sword. It can also have deeper meaning, namely that a script is more important that a garment.

It becomes particularly clear in the context of the prior verse:

Luk 22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Jesus clearly refers to purses, scripts and shoes not to swords.

Likewise the following verse doesn’t indicate Jesus’ intention of engaging in combat:

Luk 22:37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

The verse 38 makes it absolutely obvious that Jesus didn’t command people to sell their garments in order to buy swords as the two “swords” were already enough:

Luk 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

Did Jesus refer to two swords or just to two knifes used, say, at a table?

One also wonders how Peter “managed” to cut off only the year using a sword. Perhaps he used a knife?

Perhaps Jesus foresaw Peter’s action and his ability to deliver a stern rebuke of such action among his followers?

Further, neither Jesus nor the apostles toughed or displayed combat. Jesus rebuked and corrected Peter’s action in the Garden of Gethsemane.

Besides, we don’t seem to be aware that a Christian should follow the Lord Jesus Christ and love his enemy, as he did, not be involved in the barbaric Christian wars butchering one another in large numbers for whatever reason over millennia.

Your interpretation of the scripture using numerology is quite interesting,I have never heard of this before,For your sake i hope you are correct because you are changing the word of God.Something Satan is known to do.

 

[veteran]

The Luke 22:36 "sword" is the same word, and same kind of object as here...

Matt 10:34-35
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(KJV)

The context is that of arms for battle. But if some want to call a sword a knife, like a large knife, I guess that's alright too. It doesn't change the Luke 22:36 meaning at all though.

 

[jerzy]

Your interpretation of the scripture using numerology is quite interesting,I have never heard of this before,For your sake i hope you are correct because you are changing the word of God.Something Satan is known to do.

I am using the numbers assigned to each word in the KJV.

Besides, where you know so much about Satan from?

Who is Satan in the first place?

The Luke 22:36 "sword" is the same word, and same kind of object as here...

Matt 10:34-35
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
(KJV)

The context is that of arms for battle. But if some want to call a sword a knife, like a large knife, I guess that's alright too. It doesn't change the Luke 22:36 meaning at all though.

So you reckon that Jesus called his followers to arms, to arms with just two swords.

 

[JoeinArkansas]

Who Satan is?



Does it look that I didn't understand the meaning of the swords from Lu 22:36?

Anyway, thanks for a good post.

Dear Jerzy,
Here is another sword verse that is completely misunderstood:

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

This verse likewise is speaking of a "sword" that wounded all who dwell on the "earth". This is speaking of the same spiritually blind people that dwell in the harlot church. Spiritually speaking the "earth" is the harlot church and the "sword" is the Word of God. When we first come to Christ, the Word of God should slay us. But it does not on the first blow because we are spiritually blind and do NOT understand the Word. We continue to live - our carnal old man that is. And because of that, we became what scriipture calls a "man of sin", a harlot or an antichrist. We are deceived and remain spiritually blind. In turn, we follow Satan thinking we are following the true Christ. Christ will sprew these harlots (those who dwell on the earth instead of the heavens where the Elect dwell) out of His mouth (Rev 3:16). He would rather that they be hot (Elect) or cold (unbeliever) because they have become a worse creature - a carnal religious creature. To Christ, there is nothing worse. Even unbelievers are considered by Him to be more tolorable.

Now consider this scripture:

Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Again, Christ came to bring the harlot church (earth) the Word of God that when spiritually understood, will slay us (our old man) and from that death, we become a new man in Christ.

Matt 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

And again, those that live by the Word of God, must die by the Word of God. The Word of God must slay our old man in order for our New Man in Christ to live. Paul frequently spoke of this as "dying to self" or "dying to our Old Man" (being carnal). Our carnal nature must die and our new spiritual nature in Christ must live.

As I said, the book of Revelation is a book of symbols that teach us spiritual truths which show us what must happen to us in order for us to be born again. It is a long and painful process that takes many years. We must come to Christ as carnal men, then because we are spiritually blind, we are deceived by Satan and follow him thinking he is the true Christ. Then if we are "chosen" and one of the "few" who have been selected by Christ to be in His church, Christ will come again to us and this time heal our spiritual vision. Our new vision will allow the Word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit (accompanied with judgment) to slay our Old man and cause the New Man in Christ to live. The Word of God proclaims that this is the narrow path that we must follow to become a child of God. The spiritually blind church does not understand this path nor can they even when presented with the scriptures. Christ does not want them to understand and He has even sent them a "strong delusion" so that they will go on believing the lie - the lie that the one they are following is Christ when in fact, it is Satan. The narrow path is long and difficult and only the "few" find it.

You may think I am delusional by what I have shared with you. I have been called delusional and worse many times before. But I am willing to endure it all in order to share the truth with those whom Christ has made ready to hear His voice telling them to "come out of her my people". There is so much that one must "unlearn" before they can begin learning the truth for the first time. If anyone is starting to "see", I am willing to spend the time necessary to help you to begin traveling down the narrow path that leads to Christ.

Joe

 

[jerzy]

JoeinArkansas

...we follow Satan thinking we are following the true Christ.

Could you explain what you wanted to say here?
Anyway, who is Satan?

Matt 10:34 Matt 26:52.

No call to arms, no contest.

...we are deceived by Satan...

...in fact, it is Satan.

Who in the earth this Satan is?

You may think I am delusional by what I have shared with you.

I may begin thinking like that in part if you fail to explain who Satan is.

 

[veteran]

So you reckon that Jesus called his followers to arms, to arms with just two swords.

For them, He said two were enough, which is ALSO a teaching we are supposed to be sharp enough to understand. It means only as much as necessary. This is why history of Christian America often de-armed after a war in past history, much as it is still doing today after the Berlin Wall came down. At the start of WWII, the U.S. military didn't even have enough weapons to train with.

That gives even more weight to the idea our Lord Jesus was teaching, that He gave us the individual right to defend ourselves, our families, and our country, but only to arm as necessary for self-defense.

Dear Jerzy,
Here is another sword verse that is completely misunderstood:

Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by [the means of] those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

This verse likewise is speaking of a "sword" that wounded all who dwell on the "earth". This is speaking of the same spiritually blind people that dwell in the harlot church. Spiritually speaking the "earth" is the harlot church and the "sword" is the Word of God. When we first come to Christ, the Word of God should slay us. But it does not on the first blow because we are spiritually blind and do NOT understand the Word. We continue to live - our carnal old man that is. And because of that, we became what scriipture calls a "man of sin", a harlot or an antichrist. We are deceived and remain spiritually blind. In turn, we follow Satan thinking we are following the true Christ. Christ will sprew these harlots (those who dwell on the earth instead of the heavens where the Elect dwell) out of His mouth (Rev 3:16). He would rather that they be hot (Elect) or cold (unbeliever) because they have become a worse creature - a carnal religious creature. To Christ, there is nothing worse. Even unbelievers are considered by Him to be more tolorable.

Now consider this scripture:

Matt 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

Again, Christ came to bring the harlot church (earth) the Word of God that when spiritually understood, will slay us (our old man) and from that death, we become a new man in Christ.

Matt 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

And again, those that live by the Word of God, must die by the Word of God. The Word of God must slay our old man in order for our New Man in Christ to live. Paul frequently spoke of this as "dying to self" or "dying to our Old Man" (being carnal). Our carnal nature must die and our new spiritual nature in Christ must live.

As I said, the book of Revelation is a book of symbols that teach us spiritual truths which show us what must happen to us in order for us to be born again. It is a long and painful process that takes many years. We must come to Christ as carnal men, then because we are spiritually blind, we are deceived by Satan and follow him thinking he is the true Christ. Then if we are "chosen" and one of the "few" who have been selected by Christ to be in His church, Christ will come again to us and this time heal our spiritual vision. Our new vision will allow the Word of God by the power of the Holy Spirit (accompanied with judgment) to slay our Old man and cause the New Man in Christ to live. The Word of God proclaims that this is the narrow path that we must follow to become a child of God. The spiritually blind church does not understand this path nor can they even when presented with the scriptures. Christ does not want them to understand and He has even sent them a "strong delusion" so that they will go on believing the lie - the lie that the one they are following is Christ when in fact, it is Satan. The narrow path is long and difficult and only the "few" find it.

You may think I am delusional by what I have shared with you. I have been called delusional and worse many times before. But I am willing to endure it all in order to share the truth with those whom Christ has made ready to hear His voice telling them to "come out of her my people". There is so much that one must "unlearn" before they can begin learning the truth for the first time. If anyone is starting to "see", I am willing to spend the time necessary to help you to begin traveling down the narrow path that leads to Christ.

Joe

Whoever is teaching those Scripture interpretations to you is teaching to take them totally out of the Biblical Scripture context where they are given.

 

[JoeinArkansas]

Could you explain what you wanted to say here?
Anyway, who is Satan?



No call to arms, no contest.



Who in the earth this Satan is?



I may begin thinking like that in part if you fail to explain who Satan is.

Dear Jerzy,
I will try to answer your questions. Satan is a spiritual being that God created to be the "destroyer" and the "Father of Lies". He deceives the whole world and is the "god of this world". I have studied scripture to see if Satan might actually be our physical body and/or our carnal nature. I know one person who believes that is who Satan is. Though that idea fits in many areas of scripture, I am not convinced it is correct. I believe that Satan is a spiritual being that has great influence upon us as God directs. When we first come to Christ, we are quickly deceived by Satan and began following him instead of the true Christ. We do this because we are spiritually blind until Christ comes to us a second time to heal our spiritual vision. The time that we follow Satan, we are considered by God to be children of the devil or the wicked one. At that time, we are influenced by the spirit of antichrist which I believe to be Satan. Again at this time of being deceived, we are also called a "man of sin" which is another name for being a child of the devil. But when Christ comes to us a second time, the brightness of His appearing destroys our "man of sin".

2Thes 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

2Thes 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

The "falling away first" occurs just after we first come to Christ and enter the harlot church. We are deceived by Satan and follow is ways instead of the ways of Christ. This happens easily because we are spiritually blind and remain carnally minded. This new "man of sin" which was created in us sits in the "temple" of God. The temple is our body, not a building. WE ARE THE MAN OF SIN, A CHILD OF THE DEVIL AFTER WE START FOLLOWING THE WAYS OF SATAN, THE ANTICHRIST. But when Christ comes to us a second time (the second coming of Christ to the individual, Mark 8:20-25), Christ will reveal our wickedness to us by healing our spiritual vision. Once our vision is healed, we can finally see the "man of sin" who we have become in the harlot church (wicked be revealed). We can also see the true Christ and the brightness of His appearing to us destroys our "man of sin". It is at this point we hear Christ's call to "come out of her my people".

Joe

For them, He said two were enough, which is ALSO a teaching we are supposed to be sharp enough to understand. It means only as much as necessary. This is why history of Christian America often de-armed after a war in past history, much as it is still doing today after the Berlin Wall came down. At the start of WWII, the U.S. military didn't even have enough weapons to train with.

That gives even more weight to the idea our Lord Jesus was teaching, that He gave us the individual right to defend ourselves, our families, and our country, but only to arm as necessary for self-defense.



Whoever is teaching those Scripture interpretations to you is teaching to take them totally out of the Biblical Scripture context where they are given.

Dear Veteran,
Christ does not give us the right to defend ourselves with evil. That is the thinking of carnal mankind. Christ clearly commands us to "not resist evil". We can flee from it but we are not to fight back against it. We are to "do good" to our enemies and pray for them. At no time are we to kill time or physically hurt them. Christ warned us that if we follow Him in this life we are going to suffer for it. Not resisting evil is part of that suffering.

Also, no man is teaching me anything anymore concerning the meaning of the scriptures. When we are carnal and in the harlot church, we receive our teaching from men - just as scripture showed from Paul being led by the hand after being blinded at Christ's first appearing to him). But once our spiritual vision is healed by Christ at His second coming to us, we learn the scriptures from the Holy Spirit. I do not listen to the carnal reasoning of others any longer. I listen to the scriptures. Most church doctrines are void of scriptural support. Likewise, your belief that we have a right to defend ourselves with violence (to resist evil) comes from your carnal reasoning and not scripture. And finally, bibical "context" is a scape goat of the carnal mind to justify twisting and maligning the Word of God. We are to rightly divide the Word but we are not instructed to use "context".

 

[jerzy]

For them, He said two were enough, which is ALSO a teaching we are supposed to be sharp enough to understand. It means only as much as necessary. This is why history of Christian America often de-armed after a war in past history, much as it is still doing today after the Berlin Wall came down. At the start of WWII, the U.S. military didn't even have enough weapons to train with.

That gives even more weight to the idea our Lord Jesus was teaching, that He gave us the individual right to defend ourselves, our families, and our country, but only to arm as necessary for self-defense

So you reckon that Jesus lied telling us to love our enemies and leave the revenge to God.

Dear Jerzy,
I will try to answer your questions. Satan is a spiritual being that God created to be the "destroyer" and the "Father of Lies".

Text, please.

He deceives the whole world and is the "god of this world".

What you think of this?

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

I believe that Satan is a spiritual being...

Would you like me to tell you what some people believe?

When we first come to Christ, we are quickly deceived by Satan and began following him instead of the true Christ.

I am not going to read further this thumb sucked story.

Sorry.

Show written that Satan is a supernatural entity or stop making up such stories.

 

[JoeinArkansas]

So you reckon that Jesus lied telling us to love our enemies and leave the revenge to God.


Text, please.



What you think of this?

Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:




Would you like me to tell you what some people believe?



I am not going to read further this thumb sucked story.

Sorry.

Show written that Satan is a supernatural entity or stop making up such stories.

Dear jerzy,
What is your problem? Why so much hate? I don't want you to tell me anything. My understanding comes from scripture which you seem to despise. I will not debate with you when you call the Word of God a "thumb sucked story". Come back with a better attitude or don't come back.

Joe

 

[jerzy]

Dear jerzy,
What is your problem? Why so much hate? I don't want you to tell me anything. My understanding comes from scripture which you seem to despise. I will not debate with you when you call the Word of God a "thumb sucked story". Come back with a better attitude or don't come back.

Joe

Dear Joe.

I don't know where you got the "so much hate" part from. It is a fact that I don't like people’s thumb sucked story instead of saying as is written but I hate nobody.

I don't tell anybody anything but merely quote from God's word or say what is written.

I don't despise any scriptures except the added or manipulated parts.

You didn't have this part (below) no that Satan is a spiritual being from the scriptures, did you Joe?

JoeinArkansas

When we first come to Christ, we are quickly deceived by Satan and began following him instead of the true Christ.

Now, show which part of the Word of God I called a "thumb sucked story" or admit to false accusation.

God bless.

 

[JoeinArkansas]

Dear Jerzy,

You said:
Now, show which part of the Word of God I called a "thumb sucked story" or admit to false accusation.

2Thes 2:2-4 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

When we are first called to Christ we are given just enough spiritual vision to try to find Christ. But Christ only heals our spiritual vision partially and leaves us very spiritually nearsighted. Scripture refers to this as being spiritually blind. This blindness causes us to "fall away". When the apostles could not understand about "leaven" that Christ spoke of in Mark ch. 8, He asked them this question:

Mark 8:21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?

In the very next verse, Christ shows us the answer to this question that the apostles could not answer.

Mark 8:22-25 And he cometh to Bethsaida; and they bring a blind man unto him, and besought him to touch him. And he took the blind man by the hand, and led him out of the town; and when he had spit on his eyes, and put his hands upon him, he asked him if he saw ought. And he looked up, and said, I see men as trees, walking. After that he put [his] hands again upon his eyes, and made him look up: and he was restored, and saw every man clearly.

When each of us are first called, we are left spiritually blind and still carnally minded. During that time, Satan comes to us and deceives us into believing that he is Christ and we enter one of his harlot churches. Scriptures refers to this time we spend in the harlot church as a period of 40 days or years.

The Israelites, when they first came out of Eygpt gave us this example of wandering in the wilderness for 40 years (time in the harlot church). Only the Elect (Joshua and Caleb) came out and crossed over the Jordon. This is symbolic for what happens to us when we come to Christ. We wander in the wilderness (harlot church) until we die unless we are a Joshua or Caleb (one of the Elect). If we are, "for the Elect's sake", Christ comes back to us a second time (second coming to the individual) and heals our spiritual vision so that we can see every man clearly. If that happens, we "come out of her my people" (meaning the harlot) which is the same as crossing over the Jordan.

Christ showed us this time of testing in the wilderness also. Only in His case, He was not deceived and did not eat Satan's stones (doctrines) as we do.

Luke 4:2 Being forty days tempted of the devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.

Everyone "falls away" from Christ when He first calls us to Him. Satan comes in and deceives us by masquerading as an angel of light:

2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

This happens immediately after Christ sows His seed in each of us who are called to Him:

Matt 13:24-25 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Matt 13:38-39 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Unless we are one of His Elect, we will die in the wilderness (harlot church). But for the Elect's sake (Matt 24:22), Christ will come again and heal our spiritual vision (Mark 8:22-25) so that we can "see" the man of sin (2Thes 2:3) that we have become. Once we see Christ clearly and receive His Spirit, the brightness of His appearing will destroy the man of sin and cause a new man in Christ to grow.

That is also the pattern that Paul's conversion taught. Christ came to Paul on the road to Damascus (first called) which left Paul blind (representing his spiritual blindness). But after 3 days, Paul's blindness is healed and He is given the Holy Spirit.

The pattern is the same for all of Christ's Elect. They are called to him but left spiritually blind. They are then deceived by Satan and enter his church. Then, if they are chosen, Christ will come again and heal their vision which will open up the scriptures to them. They see who they have become (man of sin) and see the true Christ for the first time. Also at that time, Christ gives them the Holy Spirit which destroys the man of sin who they had become. They are now ready to start being judged by Christ to spiritually mature (purified by fire) them. If they remain faithful to the end of their lives, then they will be resurrected into life into the Kingdom of Heaven and will rule and reign with Christ during the final two ages.

Everything I have said is in scripture but it is hidden from those who are wandering in the wilderness (harlot church). It is not a thumb sucked story. It is the narrow path that leads to Christ.
Joe

 

[jerzy]

…Satan comes to us and deceives us into believing that he is Christ...

Text, please.

Satan comes in and deceives us...

...Satan himself is transformed...


They are then deceived by Satan and enter his church

Who is Satan?

Everything I have said is in scripture but it is hidden from those who are wandering in the wilderness (harlot church). It is not a thumb sucked story. Joe

But you still don't know what you are talking about.

Let me ask you again:

Who is Satan?

 

[JoeinArkansas]

Text, please.



Who is Satan?



But you still don't know what you are talking about.

Let me ask you again:

Who is Satan?

Since you don't believe God's Word, there is nothing more I have to say to you.
Joe

 

[us2are1]

Could you explain what you wanted to say here?
Anyway, who is Satan?



No call to arms, no contest.



Who in the earth this Satan is?



I may begin thinking like that in part if you fail to explain who Satan is.

Satan is any adversary of God be it man woman or child. It is a Hebrew word that simply means adversary.

 

[veteran]

Dear Veteran,
Christ does not give us the right to defend ourselves with evil. That is the thinking of carnal mankind. Christ clearly commands us to "not resist evil". We can flee from it but we are not to fight back against it. We are to "do good" to our enemies and pray for them. At no time are we to kill time or physically hurt them. Christ warned us that if we follow Him in this life we are going to suffer for it. Not resisting evil is part of that suffering.

What part of His command to His disciples to go BUY A SWORD do you not understand???


Brainwashed NWO types like yourself can go on and on against that Luke 22 Scripture, but is simply is not going to go away. And to PROVE that it has not gone away centuries AFTER He said that, the founders of the Republic of the United States of America put the right of the people to bear arms in the U.S. Constitution to ensure that God-given right.

No amount of tongue-twisting like a serpent is going to change that.

 

[Trekson]

I gotta side with Vet on this issue.