Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

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He will do His part to try and warn and retrieve the wandering sheep, but it remains with the individual whether to come back to their senses or not.

Compare your words to God's words. This is one of those "precious promises".

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

God chastens us as needed, and His chastening yeilds the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

Are you remembering the flesh is already condemned?

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

Titus 1:15 KJV
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

Much love!

Look at the context of Romans 14:14. It is not saying there is nothing that is evil of itself....it is talking about meats and drinks. Because some things clearly ARE evil and impure, as the new testament does confirm.

And be careful to look at the context of Titus 1:15 as well:

Tit 1:14-15

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.


It is talking against those who forbid to marry and to touch not, taste not etc.....self imposed asceticism which has to do with man-made religious practices:

1Ti 4:3-5

They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

 

[Lizbeth]

Compare your words to God's words. This is one of those "precious promises".

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

God chastens us as needed, and His chastening yeilds the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

Are you remembering the flesh is already condemned?

Much love!

Yes He chastens us for our good, but not everyone responds to it. People are not puppets on a string. Sin can harden the heart and sear the conscience....it can make someone into hardened clay, no longer pliable and teachable by the Potter, so in the end that marred pot gets destroyed. God complained about the Israelites (our example) how He had chastened them but they still refused to turn from their sin back to Him.

 

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Yes He chastens us for our good, but not everyone responds to it. People are not puppets on a string. Sin can harden the heart and sear the conscience....it can make someone into hardened clay, no longer pliable and teachable by the Potter, so in the end that marred pot gets destroyed. God complained about the Israelites (our example) how He had chastened them but they still refused to turn from their sin back to Him.

I will believe God's promises all day long. He's brought me this far, and I'm looking to Him to bring me safely home regardless of how screwed up I may be!

Much love!

 

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Yes He chastens us for our good, but not everyone responds to it.

That's a common opinion, but it doesn't agree with the Bible.

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Unto them which are exercised thereby.

Not . . .unto those that do respond and not to those who do not.

"them which are exercised thereby", "perfect Passive", which is to say, them that are exercised (by God) in such manner.

For those whom God puts through this, He does it that we might partake of His holiness, which is not a statement saying "maybe you will, maybe you won't", it's a statement of God's intent for this process. And then He tells us the end result when He works with us this way, afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

This truly is one of His great and precious promises.

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

I will believe God's promises all day long. He's brought me this far, and I'm looking to Him to bring me safely home regardless of how screwed up I may be!

Much love!

I don't think the marred pot analogy is talking about wounded souls brother. It is talking about willful sins. God is looking for those whose hearts are perfect towards Him. I believe that means to be wholeheartedly sincere and sincerely doing our best to seek to be pleasing to Him and to give Him the fear that is due Him. Even if we might mess up at times along the way. Loving Him with the whole heart...all our heart and mind and soul and running the race so as to win it, not being complacent and lackadaisical in attitude. I believe there is a right balance between taking God too lightly and thinking He is a harsh taskmaster.

And I just want to add, I believe there is this thing called mercy, for extenuating circumstances.

 

[Lizbeth]

That's a common opinion, but it doesn't agree with the Bible.

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

Unto them which are exercised thereby.

Not . . .unto those that do respond and not to those who do not.

"them which are exercised thereby", "perfect Passive", which is to say, them that are exercised (by God) in such manner.

For those whom God puts through this, He does it that we might partake of His holiness, which is not a statement saying "maybe you will, maybe you won't", it's a statement of God's intent for this process. And then He tells us the end result when He works with us this way, afterward, it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness.

This truly is one of His great and precious promises.

Much love!

Then you are ignoring what He said about Israel, which was for OUR example and admonition.

 

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Then you are ignoring what He said about Israel, which was for OUR example and admonition.

Don't be so quick to assume things about me. You've made an overly broad statement as though it defines me and I assure you it does not.

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

Don't be so quick to assume things about me. You've made an overly broad statement as though it defines me and I assure you it does not.

Much love!

Did I misunderstand....? It seemed as though you were saying everyone will automatically be responsive and changed by the chastisements...?

 

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Did I misunderstand....? It seemed as though you were saying everyone will automatically be responsive and changed by the chastisements...?

You said I'm ignoring something. I said you shouldn't assume things about me.

"Then you are ignoring what He said about Israel, which was for OUR example and admonition."

What exactly is it you are assuming that I'm ignoring? Please paste the verse(s).

Much love!

 

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It seemed as though you were saying everyone will automatically be responsive and changed by the chastisements...?

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. - True?

7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. - True?

11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. - True? Or false?

Are these statements true? Or false?

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

Hebrews 12:6-11 KJV
6) For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. - True?

7) If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8) But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10) For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness. - True?

11) Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby. - True? Or false?

Are these statements true? Or false?

Much love!

It is generally true, but not automatically true for everyone. Not everyone is willing to profit from it....they can ignore His chastening. God doesn't generally override our free agency. We're warned and admonished for our good, that for some their end will be worse than their beginning.

 

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It is generally true, but not automatically true for everyone. Not everyone is willing to profit from it....they can ignore His chastening. God doesn't generally override our free agency. We're warned and admonished for our good, that for some their end will be worse than their beginning.

There just seem to be a number of passages that you don't truly accept what they say. Generally true? That's not how it's written.

The end worse than the beginning, that does not apply to God's children. Check the context.

And about God overriding our free agency, what does that mean? That God will let the works of the flesh override the indwelling Holy Spirit to the point that though God has already condemned the flesh, and has already reconciled you to Himself, that if your flesh rises up too strongly, God will take it all back?

I don't think so.

Much love!

 

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It is generally true,

Or more succinctly . . . "Generally true, but sometimes false." Isn't that what you are saying?

Much love!