Did Moses defy God's plan?

[Raccoon1010]

This is something I've been back and forth about. So I thought I would throw it out there and get a broader perspective from everyone.

When God and Moses freed the Israelite from Egypt they rested near a mountain. The slaves began rebelling. Moses was told by God that God had a plan to destroy the Israelite and to leave God alone.

Exodus 32:9-10

9And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people:
10Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation.

But Moses didn't trust the Lord's plan and decided to deviate, where he took up his sword and made others also to kill the rebelling slaves:

Exodus 32:11-12

11And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?
12Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people.

Two things from this, God was going to make a great nation from Moses. So that didn't happen and Israel eventually descended into crucifying Jesus. But if God had killed the slaves and Moses was the new Israel, would they have crucified Jesus?

So that's the discussion I want to have. I really have taken an honest look at this, not fearing Moses, but fearing God instead.

Shouldn't Moses have trusted God's plan and let God do the killing and became the great nation, and how would things be different?

 

[101G]

Two things from this, God was going to make a great nation from Moses. So that didn't happen and Israel eventually descended into crucifying Jesus. But if God had killed the slaves and Moses was the new Israel, would they have crucified Jesus?

Addressing the OP, I'm not sure about what you asked for the People of Israel was Moses people... even by blood. scripture, Exodus 32:7 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:"Exodus 32:8 "They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Raccoon1010]

Addressing the OP, I'm not sure about what you asked for the People of Israel was Moses people... even by blood. scripture, Exodus 32:7 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves:"Exodus 32:8 "They have turned aside quickly out of the way which I commanded them: they have made them a molten calf, and have worshipped it, and have sacrificed thereunto, and said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which have brought thee up out of the land of Egypt."

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Good point. Forgot about that. Thanks. I guess what I'm wondering are a lot of things. I can't get them out of my head when taking an honest look at the story. For instance, would Jesus have been crucified if only Moses' lineage grew and the slaves were killed by God.

I kinda wonder if it was originally God's plan to kill Jesus on the Cross. God being omnipotent knew he would be crucified on the cross yes. But God's plan here was to kill the stiff knecked people and only allow Moses to go on into the promised land as a great nation.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin and fall, but he still put them into the garden of Eden. But it was not God's plan for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Does the same logic apply to God's plan for Moses and to build a great nation out of his lineage?

Thanks for your patience with me, these have been questions that I can't seem to let go.

 

[101G]

Good point. Forgot about that. Thanks. I guess what I'm wondering are a lot of things. I can't get them out of my head when taking an honest look at the story. For instance, would Jesus have been crucified if only Moses' lineage grew and the slaves were killed by God.

I kinda wonder if it was originally God's plan to kill Jesus on the Cross. God being omnipotent knew he would be crucified on the cross yes. But God's plan here was to kill the stiff knecked people and only allow Moses to go on into the promised land as a great nation.

God knew Adam and Eve would sin and fall, but he still put them into the garden of Eden. But it was not God's plan for Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Does the same logic apply to God's plan for Moses and to build a great nation out of his lineage?

Thanks for your patience with me, these have been questions that I can't seem to let go.

No problem we all have heavy things on our minds. this is why christian forums exist, YOU DID THE RIGHT THING.... "ASKED".

and in the name of the Lord Jesus, thank you.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[DNB]

Amongst many other reasons, Jesus was the lamb that was slain before the beginning of the world. So, yes, it was always God's plan to have Christ suffer for our sins, and then exalt him to His right-hand side as ruler of God's universe.
Moses used wisdom to circumvent God's decision to annihilate the Israelites that He had just rescued from Egypt. Moses' rationale pleased God, therefore, it was a righteous request, and a righteous compliance on God's part. Your question is too hypothetical to entertain, plus, not necessary. For, in the beginning was the Word, and the Word dwelt among us, but was not received by man. The suffering Messiah was always God divine will, even prior to the inception of the Garden of Eden.