Dishonesty Is Punishable

[Webers_Home]

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You shall not deal falsely, nor lie to one another. (Lev 19:11)

There are six things Yhvh hates; seven that are detestable to Him: #2 a
lying tongue, and #6 a false witness who pours out lies. (Prv 6:16-19)

Lie not one to another (Col 3:9)

All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8)

No one who practices lying, shall ever come into the holy city, the new
Jerusalem. (Rev 21:27)

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[aspen]

There is that punishing God, I refuse to follow, again......

 

[JimParker]

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You shall not deal falsely, nor lie to one another. (Lev 19:11)

There are six things Yhvh hates; seven that are detestable to Him: #2 a
lying tongue, and #6 a false witness who pours out lies. (Prv 6:16-19)

Lie not one to another (Col 3:9)

All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8)

No one who practices lying, shall ever come into the holy city, the new
Jerusalem. (Rev 21:27)

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Please forward your post to Hillary and Billy Jeff.

 

[OzSpen]

There is that punishing God, I refuse to follow, again......

So is your God the one who continues to allow liars into the Kingdom? Is there no final Judgment with your God?

 

[aspen]

So is your God the one who continues to allow liars into the Kingdom? Is there no final Judgment with your God?

My God redeems sinners.

 

[OzSpen]

My God redeems sinners.

Is he the God of judgment? Will there be a Judgment Day with him as the Judge?

 

[Webers_Home]

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Q: Can Christians lose their salvation by dishonesty?

A: The question cannot be answered as-is because not all Christians are safe
from the wrath of God; viz: not all Christians are saved.

The short answer is: No; according to John 3:14-18, John 5:24, Rom 5:6 11,
1Thss 1:10, and 1Thss 5:9, saved Christians do not lose their safety from
the wrath of God by dishonesty; primarily because according to John 3:36,
John 5:24, and John 6:47; saved Christians have eternal life, which is a kind
of life that's impervious to death: therefore it's impervious to the wages of
sin. (Rom 6:23)

However; note the word "all" in the passage below.

All liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone,
which is the second death. (Rev 21:7-8)

The word "all" leaves no room for exceptions. But the trick is: Rev 21:7-8
refers to an era past the resurrection era. In other words; if Christians die as
liars, and rise from the dead as liars, they will be marched off to the lake of
fire. But the Christians who die as liars and rise from the dead as non-liars;
will be in no danger of the lake of fire; and there's a way to bring that about.

Part of the plan of salvation is a surgical procedure described in the New
Testament as a circumcision made without human hands (Col 2:11). Long
story short: when saved Christians pass on, they shed their natural-born
human nature like a dead skin and go into the next life with only the divine
nature they were given when they underwent the Spirit birth about which
Christ spoke at John 3:3-8. There's only one divine nature-- it's God's: a
110% truthful being who cannot lie. (Titus 1:2)

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[Webers_Home]

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One of the most common forms of dishonesty is one called dissembling;
which can be defined as concealing your true feelings by deliberately giving
people the impression that you feel some other way.

Other forms of dishonesty are:

Deception
Side-stepping
Denial
Guile
Half truths
Making promises with no intention of keeping them
Slander
Pretense
Feigning innocence
Falsifying information
Putting up a front
Rationalizing
Embellishing
Hyperbole
Double speak
Insincerity
Withholding pertinent facts
Sophistry
Cover-ups
Impersonation
Spinning

Some people are born dishonest.

†. Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak
lies go astray from birth.

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[KingJ]

It is going to be quite an experience to be able to trust everything someone says in heaven.

 

[lforrest]

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One of the most common forms of dishonesty is one called dissembling;
which can be defined as concealing your true feelings by deliberately giving
people the impression that you feel some other way.
Other forms of dishonesty are:
Deception
Side-stepping
Denial
Guile
Half truths
Making promises with no intention of keeping them
Slander
Pretense
Feigning innocence
Falsifying information
Putting up a front
Rationalizing
Embellishing
Hyperbole
Double speak
Insincerity
Withholding pertinent facts
Sophistry
Cover-ups
Impersonation
Spinning
Some people are born dishonest.†. Ps 58:3 . . The wicked are estranged from the womb; these who speak
lies go astray from birth.
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Lying is only saying/writing that which is untrue, before or after the fact.

If you want to include lying by omission, then God is a liar. IMO your only required by God to share information if it is per some prior agreement. Or expected under a defined authority structure.

 

[BlackManINC]

It is going to be quite an experience to be able to trust everything someone says in heaven.

Well, I wouldn't believe a word Satan would have to say to God, since he's up there in heaven right now talking to him.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Well, I wouldn't believe a word Satan would have to say to God,
since he's up there in heaven right now talking to him.

The time of the Devil's access to heaven is winding down.

†. Matt 25:41 . . Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

†. Rev 12:7-10 . . And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels
waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and
they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for
them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old
who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was
thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

†. Rev 20:9-10 . . And the Devil who deceived them was thrown into the
lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also;
and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There will be no devils in the holy city, the new Jerusalem.

†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into it.

†. Rev 22:15 . . Outside is everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

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[BlackManINC]

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The time of the Devil's access to heaven is winding down.

†. Matt 25:41 . . Then he will say to those on his left: Depart from me, you
who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the Devil and his angels.

†. Rev 12:7-10 . . And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels
waging war with the dragon. And the dragon and his angels waged war, and
they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for
them in heaven. And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old
who is called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was
thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

†. Rev 20:9-10 . . And the Devil who deceived them was thrown into the
lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also;
and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

There will be no devils in the holy city, the new Jerusalem.

†. Rev 21:27 . . No one who practices lying, shall ever come into it.

†. Rev 22:15 . . Outside is everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

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Sure, but not any time soon, God will let Satan have his way in heaven before he gets b!tch slapped down to earth like a child having a tantrum.