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[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette I would have thought the Pentecost - Rapture definition was foundational, indeed.

Well to some it is, to others it is not. Until I know the belief of whom I write to, I try to define when the church is born and when itr is no longer accepting new members.

 

[farouk]

Well to some it is, to others it is not. Until I know the belief of whom I write to, I try to define when the church is born and when itr is no longer accepting new members.

Interesting way of putting it..........

 

[Dropship]

If by christians you mean part of the church or the body of Christ? The answer is no. the church was born at Pentecost and ends at the rapture.
Just like the OT believing Jews are saved but not part of the body of Christ, so to are the saints who get saved after the rapture. They are saved but they also are not part of the body of Christ! these are distinctions for placement in the millenial kingdom on earth, but how eternity plays out, we will have to wait and see.

Let me put my question another way- Will there be jews and any other nonchristians in heaven?
If there are, it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood", and I certainly wouldn't want to go..

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let me put my question another way- Will there be jews and any other nonchristians in heaven?
If there are, it'd be a case of "oops there goes the neighbourhood", and I certainly wouldn't want to go..

Well everyone one will be in heaven is saved. It just depends on how your define a Christian. OT saved Jews will be in heaven and they are not Christians. Trib saints (both Jew and gentile) can be called Chritian, though they are not part of the body of Christ/ the bride of jesus.

 

[Dropship]

..OT saved Jews will be in heaven and they are not Christians..

That's not what Jesus said..

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's not what Jesus said..

I did say saved jews! there were numerous over the millenia that were saved!

 

[Dropship]

I did say saved jews! there were numerous over the millenia that were saved!

Yes, if jews stop being jews and become Christians they've at least got a chance of being saved..
The bottom line is that when people arrive at the pearlies the doorman will ask them one question- "Are you Christians?", and if they say "Yes" they'll be let in, but if they say "No" they'll be told-

"On yer bikes!"

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes, if jews stop being jews and become Christians they've at least got a chance of being saved..
The bottom line is that when people arrive at the pearlies the doorman will ask them one question- "Are you Christians?", and if they say "Yes" they'll be let in, but if they say "No" they'll be told-

"On yer bikes!"
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Not for OT folks they won't. But I agree since Pentecost one has to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus to be saved and then they are set. but once the rapture comes, the body of Christ is closed and the saints are different than the church.

 

[farouk]

Not for OT folks they won't. But I agree since Pentecost one has to trust in the death and resurrection of Jesus to be saved and then they are set. but once the rapture comes, the body of Christ is closed and the saints are different than the church.

@Ronald Nolette It's striking how the nature and fact of the revealed mystery of the church - from Pentecost until the Rapture - is not more widely understood from Scripture...Ppl seem simply to be influenced by church custom and tradition so much.

 

[Dropship]

As I've said before, if there are going to be jews or any other Jesus-rejecters in heaven, I don't wanna go..
The fact is heaven is a Christians-only gated community-
Jesus said "Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you, get away from me, you evildoers!" (Matthew 7:23)
They might try to gatecrash their way in but don't stand a chance-

 

[Ronald Nolette]

@Ronald Nolette It's striking how the nature and fact of the revealed mystery of the church - from Pentecost until the Rapture - is not more widely understood from Scripture...Ppl seem simply to be influenced by church custom and tradition so much.

All depends where one ends up after being saved. a dispy or covenant church.