Dispensations

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2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV
(For we walk by faith, not by sight)

Romans 8:24-25 KJV
24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Matthew 24:30 KJV
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now we walk by faith, trusting in Jesus, though we do not see Him.

In that day, every eye will see Him, this dispensation will be over.

Much love!

 

[Webers_Home]

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Religious eras in the Bible are often related to timing. For example;
according to Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3;17 the laws of God
are not retroactive. So when Cain killed his brother Abel, God couldn't indict
him for murder because as yet He had not issued any laws against it.

Here's another example related to timing.

FAQ: Was John the Baptist a Christian?

A: No.

FAQ: Why not? He believed in Jesus; what more could you want?

A: Jesus spoke of his church as yet future in Matt 16:18. Well; John was
already dead and gone when Jesus made that prediction.

The thing is: Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection. And
membership in his church is obtained by the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts
1:5, 1Cor 12:12 13) a procedure which John predicted in sermons before his
death. (Matt 3:11)

John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
distinction because many of the Old Testament luminaries were filled with
the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but they weren't baptized by the Spirit;
not even the patriarchs.
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[Enoch111]

Understanding different periods of time in human history as dispensations is a valid and biblical way to understand God's dealings with men. Dispensations generally run parallel with covenants, although Covenant Theology is not the same as Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists usually present seven dispensations: Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and the Millennial Kingdom.

Personally, I believe the time between the Flood and the giving of the Law should all be under "the Patriarchs", and after the Millennium, there is what the Bible calls "the dispensation of the fulness of times" (the Eternal State). So one could look at these periods as follows:
1. Creation to the Fall -- Innocence
2. The Fall to the Flood -- Conscience
3. The Flood to the Law -- the Patriarchs
4. Moses to Christ -- Law
5. The First to the Second Coming of Christ -- Grace
6. The Millennium
7. The Eternal State

 

[DPMartin]

2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV
(For we walk by faith, not by sight)

Romans 8:24-25 KJV
24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Matthew 24:30 KJV
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now we walk by faith, trusting in Jesus, though we do not see Him.

In that day, every eye will see Him, this dispensation will be over.

Much love!

right what you trusted or believed for will be fulfilled and faith will not be required on that front. you still will have to trust and believe the Word of God. which is the requirement since Adam, that will not change.

 

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Understanding different periods of time in human history as dispensations is a valid and biblical way to understand God's dealings with men. Dispensations generally run parallel with covenants, although Covenant Theology is not the same as Dispensationalism. Dispensationalists usually present seven dispensations: Innocence, Conscience, Human Government, Promise, Law, Grace, and the Millennial Kingdom.

Personally, I believe the time between the Flood and the giving of the Law should all be under "the Patriarchs", and after the Millennium, there is what the Bible calls "the dispensation of the fulness of times" (the Eternal State). So one could look at these periods as follows:
1. Creation to the Fall -- Innocence
2. The Fall to the Flood -- Conscience
3. The Flood to the Law -- the Patriarchs
4. Moses to Christ -- Law
5. The First to the Second Coming of Christ -- Grace
6. The Millennium
7. The Eternal State

This all sound good. I've seen other lists a little different.

Certainly there was a change at the fall. And at the flood. And at the Law. Melchezideck foreshadowed a coming change.

I think there will be a change at the beginning of the 70th week also.

I think calling out the time of the patriarchs is interesting, I want to think about that a bit. The geneologies turn into the listing of nations according to their fathers, so that fits good. And of course the patriarchal history of Israel. God dealt directly with patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Lot, Abimelech, but then also with Sarah and Hagar.

Some have called the time from the Flood to the Law as "Human Government". For me, that doesn't seem very difinitive, as I see the dispensations as describing the means by which God draws us into faith.

For Abraham, it was, "More kids than the stars you can count". For Adam, it was, Here is everything, then, dust to dust, you will die. But then, for Adam, it wasn't a matter of "believing in God". Adam walked in the garden with God. It was a matter first of believing what God said, and then, living with the consequence of disobedience.

I don't know . . . the names, I think we like labels. I try to not get too stuck on them.

Much love!

 

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right what you trusted or believed for will be fulfilled and faith will not be required on that front. you still will have to trust and believe the Word of God. which is the requirement since Adam, that will not change.

I think what I'm more looking at is that now, we are saved as we believe in Jesus though we've never seen Him. The people then will see Him. For those in the kingdom age, salvation will be be according to whether you believe in Jesus or not, it will be whether you obey Him or not. Now, obedience comes through salvation. Then, salvation will come through obedience.

Much love!

 

[Gregory]

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Religious eras in the Bible are often related to timing. For example;
according to Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3;17 the laws of God
are not retroactive. So when Cain killed his brother Abel, God couldn't indict
him for murder because as yet He had not issued any laws against it.

Here's another example related to timing.

FAQ: Was John the Baptist a Christian?

A: No.

FAQ: Why not? He believed in Jesus; what more could you want?

A: Jesus spoke of his church as yet future in Matt 16:18. Well; John was
already dead and gone when Jesus made that prediction.

The thing is: Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection. And
membership in his church is obtained by the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts
1:5, 1Cor 12:12 13) a procedure which John predicted in sermons before his
death. (Matt 3:11)

John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
distinction because many of the Old Testament luminaries were filled with
the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but they weren't baptized by the Spirit;
not even the patriarchs.
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Pray tell me how one is filled with the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but were not baptized by the Spirit? Are we splitting hairs here? What philosophical pastor had this great idea.

 

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Pray tell me how one is filled with the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but were not baptized by the Spirit? Are we splitting hairs here? What philosophical pastor had this great idea.

What saith the Scriptures?

Is the matter that it just seems like certainly John the baptiser would have himself been baptised in the Spirit, but, does the Bible itself say so? I can't think of where. Can you?

So what if we stay with exactly what we read?

Much love!

 

[Webers_Home]

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Pray tell me how one is filled with the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but
were not baptized by the Spirit?

When I was younger, I sang bass in the choir of a big mega church in San
Diego back in the decade of the 1970s. The director was a demanding sort of
fellow but he had a sense of humor too.

One evening, during rehearsal, the choir missed its cue to begin. The poor
director slumped his shoulders and complained: "My arms really hurt when I
give directions and nobody pays attention"

Well; I kind of feel the same way whenever I post a scripture reference and
people brush it off.

Sorry buddy; no soup for you: one year.
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[DPMartin]

I think what I'm more looking at is that now, we are saved as we believe in Jesus though we've never seen Him. The people then will see Him. For those in the kingdom age, salvation will be be according to whether you believe in Jesus or not, it will be whether you obey Him or not. Now, obedience comes through salvation. Then, salvation will come through obedience.

Much love!

the two do go hand in hand belief/ trust and obedience you will act on what you believe and trust, you will not act on what you don't believe or don't trust.

its not all as simple as that, but it is. example; some one tells you its safe to cross that bridge, you don't believe the bridge is safe, but you trust the person telling you its safe. so on and so forth.

but in this case if you believe you will do according to what you believe and trust, so as James says:


Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

as you can see in modern terms there are those who call themselves, but they weren't called nor chosen nor become faithful and they don't act in sincerity, only in show of personal behaviors that any call center personal can do for money. you don't have to have a beautiful disposition to take care of or help an unfortunate souls circumstances, do you?

 

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as you can see in modern terms there are those who call themselves, but they weren't called nor chosen nor become faithful and they don't act in sincerity, only in show of personal behaviors that any call center personal can do for money. you don't have to have a beautiful disposition to take care of or help an unfortunate souls circumstances, do you?

It's a good point to make!

You can have a wonderful seeming disposition, because you were born with a gentle temperment, or you've come to see which side of the bread has the butter, but not lift a finger for someone else.

Yes, there are many who call themself Christian, who likely think they are and are not, and what do we do for them?

Love and pray!

 

[Curtis]

.
Religious eras in the Bible are often related to timing. For example;
according to Rom 4:15, Rom 5:13, Deut 5:2-4 and Gal 3;17 the laws of God
are not retroactive. So when Cain killed his brother Abel, God couldn't indict
him for murder because as yet He had not issued any laws against it.

Here's another example related to timing.

FAQ: Was John the Baptist a Christian?

A: No.

FAQ: Why not? He believed in Jesus; what more could you want?

A: Jesus spoke of his church as yet future in Matt 16:18. Well; John was
already dead and gone when Jesus made that prediction.

The thing is: Christianity didn't exist prior to Jesus' resurrection. And
membership in his church is obtained by the baptism of the Holy Spirit (Acts
1:5, 1Cor 12:12 13) a procedure which John predicted in sermons before his
death. (Matt 3:11)

John was filled with the Spirit all his life, even prior to his birth (Luke 1:15).
But he wasn't baptized by the Spirit. This is a very, very important
distinction because many of the Old Testament luminaries were filled with
the Spirit, and inspired by the Spirit, but they weren't baptized by the Spirit;
not even the patriarchs.
_

John was a Christ follower, which made him a Christ-one or Christian. Jesus told several people that their faith had saved them, before His crucifixion.
Jesus never said He’d build a church, btw. Ekklesia means an assembly of people, secular or religious. The Greek word for church- kuriakos- is not used by Jesus.

 

[DPMartin]

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Thought I'd bump this up.

Some of the most difficult debates such as rapture timing, OSAS, Calvinistic Predestination, actually find their root in how one sees Israel and the current day Church.

There are a lot of different teachings of dispensations, some list 5, or 7, or 11.

I start with 2 just to show what a dispensation actually is.

There was a time when the sinner would be required to bring a lamb or goat to the temple to be sacrificed, after which time that sin is covered. The High Priest made annual sacrifice for all the sins of Israel to be covered.

I'm guessing you don't sacrifice animals, knowing the once for all death of Christ removes sin, and so there is no need for animal sacrifice, or continuing sacrifice.

At that time, God used the Law and Sacrificial system to dispense His grace and mercy to His chosen nation. The Law came through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. Now we have access to grace through faith in Christ, no animals needed. Now, God's grace and mercy are dispensed to mankind through faith in Jesus.

In the NT, dispensation comes from the word oikonomia, "house law". It refers to the way a household is run in order to supply the needs of its members. We derive our word "economy" from this word.

Much love!

 

[Taken]

2 Corinthians 5:7 KJV
(For we walk by faith, not by sight)

Romans 8:24-25 KJV
24) For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
25) But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Matthew 24:30 KJV
30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now we walk by faith, trusting in Jesus, though we do not see Him.

In that day, every eye will see Him, this dispensation will be over.

Much love!

IMO…hope is a beginning.
Conversion “In” Christ is hope becoming a realized confirmation.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken