Big Boy Johnson
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The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of sin and death
I'm free from sin and death, but you're welcome to partake if you just must.
You reap what you sow, that's a law.
Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?
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The law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of sin and death
I'm free from sin and death, but you're welcome to partake if you just must.
You reap what you sow, that's a law.
quietthinker
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hmmm, in-laws, out laws, traffic laws,
annnnd I guess rocking up naked at a church service wouldn't be an issue then.
quietthinker
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so you are saying the ten commandments are not the ten commandments? they came first before the rest of the law of Moses and God Himself wrote them with HIS finger on tables of stone, this is what scripture says here, why do you contradict what God wrote?
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they are the same words God wrote in Deuteronomy everyone knows this
- Exo 34:1 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Chisel out two stone tablets like the originals, and I will write on them the words that were on the first tablets, which you broke.
the morals as you call them ARE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS! they are for everyone who believe, Jews and gentiles, remember in the bible the great commission where Jesus sent the disciples;
Mat 28:16 Meanwhile, the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain Jesus had designated.
Mat 28:17 When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted.
Mat 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
Mat 28:19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,
Mat 28:20 and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Men changed the time of the sabbath God never did! paul, the 11 and Jesus follow the sabbath day it is written!
yes trouble for those who do not believe.
True Christians follow Christ and all he said one must do and nothing else.
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Grailhunter
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Ya quite the misconception.
1. The scriptures never say that God wrote the ten summaries in chapter 20 on the tablets.
2. God called the commandments in chaper 34 the Ten Commandments.
3. It was these Ten Commandments that God told Moses to write on the tablets.
4. The God said it was these Ten Covenants that He would form a covenant with them.
God Himself defined them and their importance. He never refereces the ten summaries again.
God Himself defined them and their importance. He never references the ten summaries again. The ten summaries are not individual law but rather summaries of more detailed laws in the body of the Mosaic Laws.
People like them because they are easy to remember but we do not worship on the Saturday Jewish Sabbath and have no restrictions on engraved images.
Either way the Old Testament Laws do not pertain to Christians and posting the ten summaries may invoke the curse that Paul talked about in Galatians 5:4.
Total nonsense! are you a troll causing trouble here? what you say being totally contrary to scripture suggests this.
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That is your choice, God gives you this choice, to keep the commandments or not, it is your own affair.
are you saying the sabbath that Jesus followed as well as the 12 and Paul is no linger applicable, can you decide to remove it? who has the authority to remove it, you, Man?
And No I am nor SDA and never was but The ten commandments came as a group OF TEN and placed in the Ark of the covenant none of them can be removed the fact they all followed it is the proof. Must they all be written down for everyone to understand that these people in Jesus times were Jews and did follow the commandments they had no need to repeat them all.
Blessings come with the fourth commandment;
The Fourth Commandment is:
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.”
—Exodus 20:8-11 NKJV
The explicit blessing in the Fourth Commandment is found at the end of Exodus 20:11:
This verse states that God Himself blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy (hallowed it).
While the Fourth Commandment specifically mentions the blessing on the Sabbath day, the Bible also promises blessings for keeping God’s commandments in general, which includes the Sabbath. Here are some NKJV passages that describe these blessings:
when you ask a child;
Can you count to one hundred?
the child, yes I can 1.2.3.4.5...
does the child has to count to 100 To prove they know how to count to 100?
So at that time, enumerating a few commandment was enough to know what was meant, ( the ten Commandments as a whole )
Big Boy Johnson
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Many these days says it's all good to live in sin and still be saved.
They claim they are born sinners and they cannot help but to sin all the time so it's all good.
Like the indians used to say about the white man, calvinists speak with forked tongue
And yet, the 10 Commandments have been carried over by Jesus in to the New Covenant.
Jesus is the High Priest over the New Covenant and He put them under the Law of Christ.
Show me where in the New Covenant that Jesus or any of His Apostles give a call to action concerning Saturday Sabbath telling Christians they are required to keep Saturday Sabbath - and show me where in the New Covenant where there is any warnings about what happens to those that don't have church on Saturday
You won't find it because they never gave any such teaching.
The problem here is you don't know what the sabbath was for, you don't know it's purpose, nor do you know that Jesus upgraded the sabbath for New Covenant believers making the sabbath far more superior for New Covenant believers than what it was under the old covenant.
Yeah right. You're one of those undercover incognito SDA peeps!
The ten commandments are called so because they are a set of ten. wake up,! you are sleeping! the ten are the covenant not 9, basic stuff that you do not understand because You do not want to.Many these days says it's all good to live in sin and still be saved.
They claim they are born sinners and they cannot help but to sin all the time so it's all good.
Like the indians used to say about the white man, calvinists speak with forked tongue
And yet, the 10 Commandments have been carried over by Jesus in to the New Covenant.
Jesus is the High Priest over the New Covenant and He put them under the Law of Christ.
Show me where in the New Covenant that Jesus or any of His Apostles give a call to action concerning Saturday Sabbath telling Christians they are required to keep Saturday Sabbath - and show me where in the New Covenant where there is any warnings about what happens to those that don't have church on Saturday
You won't find it because they never gave any such teaching.
The problem here is you don't know what the sabbath was for, you don't know it's purpose, nor do you know that Jesus upgraded the sabbath for New Covenant believers making the sabbath far more superior for New Covenant believers than what it was under the old covenant.
Yeah right. You're one of those undercover incognito SDA peeps!
Does the fact Jesus followed the sabbath not enough for you? wake up you are still sleeping! what more do you, need?
Another proof Jesus said
“If you love Me, keep My commandments." john 14:15.
"be cautious here of what you reply not to insult God."
Big Boy Johnson
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Does the fact Jesus and His Apostles never taught anyone to observe Saturday Sabbath not enough for you?
My challenge to you is to post scriptures from the New Covenant where Jesus and His Apostles instructed Christians to observe Saturday Sabbath
Concerning the sabbath in the New Testament, Jesus said come unto me and I'll give you rest (Matthew 11:28-30) so abiding In Christ is the rest we are called to in the New Testament
There is actually a sabbath in the New Testament but it's not observing Saturday Sabbath as a day of rest and worship unto the Lord as they did in the old covenant, no now it's coming unto Jesus receiving His rest and abiding in Him worshiping Him with our entire lives every day of the week.
Maybe you will be able to accept what Jesus said in Matthew 11:28-30 since nowhere in the New Testament do we see Jesus and His Apostles instructing Christians to observe Saturday Sabbath. Look all you want, it's not there.
Grailhunter
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You are not they only person that tells me the scriptures are nonsense. Read slower.
Grailhunter
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Behold
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The answer is.....
A.) It depends on How the Christian is trying to USE the 10 Commandments.
As Jesus said that all this..= Law and Commandments are fulfilled by ONE.....the Commandment He gave that is : to "love".
So, if the Christian is trying to keep the 10 Commandments to stay saved, or to keep from losing their Salvation, then they are trusting in themselves to try to do that, to keep themselves saved.
That's "fallen from Gracer" Legalism, that owns you.
That means you have no Faith in Christ and are deceiving yourself.
God isn't fooled...as He always sees your heart and always knows what you are trusting in to get you to heaven, yesterday, tomorrow, and a month from now.... Reader.
""""well behold, i do trust in Christ.......but see......... if i dont do this, and keep that, and abide here, and hold unto this....then, how do i keep myself saved"""""..
Right.
See it?
Now...Notice what Paul said about the 10 Commandments.
Paul said they are : "The ministry of DEATH... engraven in stone"....... So, if you believe that the ""ministry of Death"", is a part of The New Covenant, and Salvation and Eternal LIFE....then your Church, Pastor, Pope, commentary, and Utube Video teacher and forum member, lied to you.....and you bought their lie, and now it owns you.
Now, how do you keep the 10 Commandments.."lawfully"......correctly.......as a Christian. ?
AA.) By never esteeming them as necessary for your Salvation. And by only keeping them as a Lifestyle boundary, that protects your life from the harm that will ensue and find you.. if you break the 10 Commandments.
A.) It depends on How the Christian is trying to USE the 10 Commandments.
As Jesus said that all this..= Law and Commandments are fulfilled by ONE.....the Commandment He gave that is : to "love".
So, if the Christian is trying to keep the 10 Commandments to stay saved, or to keep from losing their Salvation, then they are trusting in themselves to try to do that, to keep themselves saved.
That's "fallen from Gracer" Legalism, that owns you.
That means you have no Faith in Christ and are deceiving yourself.
God isn't fooled...as He always sees your heart and always knows what you are trusting in to get you to heaven, yesterday, tomorrow, and a month from now.... Reader.
""""well behold, i do trust in Christ.......but see......... if i dont do this, and keep that, and abide here, and hold unto this....then, how do i keep myself saved"""""..
Right.
See it?
Now...Notice what Paul said about the 10 Commandments.
Paul said they are : "The ministry of DEATH... engraven in stone"....... So, if you believe that the ""ministry of Death"", is a part of The New Covenant, and Salvation and Eternal LIFE....then your Church, Pastor, Pope, commentary, and Utube Video teacher and forum member, lied to you.....and you bought their lie, and now it owns you.
Now, how do you keep the 10 Commandments.."lawfully"......correctly.......as a Christian. ?
AA.) By never esteeming them as necessary for your Salvation. And by only keeping them as a Lifestyle boundary, that protects your life from the harm that will ensue and find you.. if you break the 10 Commandments.
Big Boy Johnson
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I see and you think Christians can be immoral? The calvinists are certainly being immoral teaching their false doctrine.
the New Testament was written to followers of Jesus Christ and these commandments are in the New Testament
Romans 2:9,10
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
The law that we are no longer under is the Levitical Priest law, because they no longer exist, along with many of the mechanisms to affect those laws. Such as the temple, or the items of the temple. It was destroyed in the final days of the last age in 70 AD, and the temple treasures were looted and the Ark was hidden.
Because the law that Jesus Christ came to fulfill, through His coming, crucifixion, and resurrection culminating in His finished work on the cross. Bringing with it A New Covenant, a New Testament.
However, just as others have mentioned, the Commandments are certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament, with the exception of the sabbath. Because Jesus Christ is our sabbath and rest.
Because the law that Jesus Christ came to fulfill, through His coming, crucifixion, and resurrection culminating in His finished work on the cross. Bringing with it A New Covenant, a New Testament.
However, just as others have mentioned, the Commandments are certainly reaffirmed in the New Testament, with the exception of the sabbath. Because Jesus Christ is our sabbath and rest.
Big Boy Johnson
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And let's not forget that Jesus is the High Priest over the New Covenant and we are not under the Law of Christ.
Grailhunter
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Over 39,000 Protestant denominations and they preach what they believe. It just so happens that the Calvinists have a said interpretation of he scriptures.
and these commandments are in the New Testament......For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace. Galatians 5:4
you provides no scripture to make your point, the nonsense is what you wrote not scripture that you do not understand, it proves without a doubt you do nor understand much.
The Ten Commandments are LISTED twice in Exodus 20:1-17 and Deuteronomy 5:1-21, they are the same!
Deu 5:22“These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
these ten commandments are a set ,unbreakable, perpetual, they are forever.
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