Do you agree with this pastor?

[This Vale Of Tears]

Dr. James David Manning, the notoriously controversial chief pastor at the ATLAH World Missionary Church in New York City, recently delivered a bold and controversial message to his congregants about the black community’s perception of the George Zimmerman trial. He urged his mostly black congregation to stop viewing the world through their “black eyes” and start looking at it through the “blood of Jesus.”


If they did that, the pastor explained, there would be no denying that the verdict in the Zimmerman was the correct one. He also told those who are convinced that Zimmerman is guilty that they only believe that because they are black.

“You are focusing on the fact that Trayvon Martin is black and you believe that George Zimmerman is white, he isn’t. His father is baptist, his mother, she’s from Peru. He’s Latin. A mix of Latin and White,” Manning said. “Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and all that crowd jumped the gun, they thought he was white, but he isn’t.”

It should be noted that Manning is an outspoken critic of President Barack Obama (which is really an understatement as he regularly refers to the president as “long-legged mack daddy” and compares him to Hitler and Satan) and has in the past heralded the message of the “birthers.” There is no denying the pastor is a colorful and controversial character, but his sermon is still bound to cause a stir.

He called out those in the black community who refuse to consider any other possibility than Zimmerman racially profiled and killed Martin in cold blood.“The only reason why you think that way is because you’re black,” Manning preached. “You see the world, not through the blood of Jesus, you see the world through your black eyes. You have not changed yet.”


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He went on: “You’re black before you’re anything. You’re black before you’re Christian, you’re black before you’re holy ghost, you’re black before you’re anything. You’re blackness is greater than your religion. And that’s why with you, Zimmerman’s guilty.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/18/lightning-rod-nyc-pastors-stunningly-confrontational-sermon-on-trayvon-martin-you-see-the-world-through-your-black-eyes/


I say Amen, preach it!

 

[Dodo_David]

Does it really matter if I personally believe what that preacher says?

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Does it really matter if I personally believe what that preacher says?

I wouldn't otherwise have asked.

 

[Rex]

Ask me If I agree with the pope, or billy gram
Whats your motive in this, that's what I want to know.

If you're simply fanning flames then you're as much the problem as anyone else.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Ask me If I agree with the pope, or billy gram
Whats your motive in this, that's what I want to know.

If you're simply fanning flames then you're as much the problem as anyone else.

My motive is to find out if you agree with this pastor or not.

 

[Dodo_David]

IMHO, what matters is whether or not that pastor's audience agrees with him. I have no reason to argue against what he says.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

IMHO, what matters is whether or not that pastor's audience agrees with him. I have no reason to argue against what he says.

I can understand that minorities would give almost blind support to somebody because he's one of them. If a Native American were to run for president, I might be tempted to support and vote for him even before I fully understood what he stands for, just so I can see one of my kind in the White House. But when such blind allegiance fails to anticipate any possibility that Treyvon Martin was in the wrong, then it's no longer a search for truth, but an abandonment thereof. It's just unabashed partisanship and there's no virtue in that.

 

[lforrest]

There was an event in 2011 called “TheCall.” It was a day long gathering for prayer and fasting to save our nation. I watched the event from home via webcast and added my prayers to the thousands of others.

I watched the event for hours and every barrier was busted down by liaisons for the respective ethnic groups that comprise America. There was repentance and reciprocal forgiveness for the displacement of the Native American’s, the enslavement of African Americans, and other things I can’t remember. But there was one rift between the people of this nation that was met with stout resistance; that rift is reverse racism.

Unless reverse racism is dealt with there can be no healing for this nation. I only hope this preacher’s message spreads.

 

[day]

I agree that examination of one's motives is a good thing. Christians should not be tossed about on every wave of popular opinion. Christians should be a stablizing element in society calling for reason and forbearance.

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

There was an event in 2011 called “TheCall.” It was a day long gathering for prayer and fasting to save our nation. I watched the event from home via webcast and added my prayers to the thousands of others.

I watched the event for hours and every barrier was busted down by liaisons for the respective ethnic groups that comprise America. There was repentance and reciprocal forgiveness for the displacement of the Native American’s, the enslavement of African Americans, and other things I can’t remember. But there was one rift between the people of this nation that was met with stout resistance; that rift is reverse racism.

Unless reverse racism is dealt with there can be no healing for this nation. I only hope this preacher’s message spreads.

And I also hope that people stop thinking of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as the leadership of black people.

 

[horsecamp]

no . because a person can think Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter and still be just as Christian as some one who thinks he was not guilty.

perhaps a better sermon would be Jesus did not come to save FICTIOUS sinners.

this way he would be preaching to his whole congregation those that thought either way.. including himself

 

[Blue Lanai]

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TVOT: "I say Amen, preach it!"
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I agree wholeheartedly with this pastor's message.

 

[Pelaides]

A young unarmed black man is murdered,The state of florida then attempts to cover up the murder.Had it not been for the actions of a few decent individuals,There would never had been a trial.How can black people be criticized for being outraged over such an injustice?

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

no . because a person can think Zimmerman was guilty of manslaughter and still be just as Christian as some one who thinks he was not guilty.

perhaps a better sermon would be Jesus did not come to save FICTIOUS sinners.

this way he would be preaching to his whole congregation those that thought either way.. including himself

It's not that people think he was guilty, it's why they think so. The pastor was addressing people who see the world through the lens of race. His argument is that, unblended by racial bias, it would be very evident that Zimmerman was not guilty of profiling and murdering Martin.

A young unarmed black man is murdered,The state of florida then attempts to cover up the murder.Had it not been for the actions of a few decent individuals,There would never had been a trial.How can black people be criticized for being outraged over such an injustice?

The very point that Martin is a race to you and not a person is what this pastor was addressing. This pastor says that when you see race and not people, you have not been changed, you still see through unconverted eyes. He's right.

 

[Pelaides]

It's not that people think he was guilty, it's why they think so. The pastor was addressing people who see the world through the lens of race. His argument is that, unblended by racial bias, it would be very evident that Zimmerman was not guilty of profiling and murdering Martin.

The very point that Martin is a race to you and not a person is what this pastor was addressing. This pastor says that when you see race and not people, you have not been changed, you still see through unconverted eyes. He's right.

Can you sit there and tell me with a straight face,that if travon martin was white ,they would have tried to cover the murder up the way they did?Or would they have immediately hung zimmerman from the nearest tree!

 

[laid renard]

I have heard of this pastor before and have found his color blindness absolutely refreshing. And, yes, I agree with this sermon 100 %.

I live in an area that is around 40 % white, 40 % black, and around 20 % Hispanic.


And not one time have I ever heard or witnessed one racial act on the whites or Hispanics part towards the blacks. Where as almost on a daily basis I hear blacks speak in a derogatory manner towards whites and Hispanics. Even on 3 separate occasions have seen a group of blacks physically attack a white person.

I am sort of like George Zimmerman. I am half white and half Hispanic (he is half latino). My grandfather on my father's side was born in France and only spoke French. My grandparents on my mother's side were born in Mexico and only spoke Spanish. (My dad was tri-lingual. He spoke English, Spanish, and French.)


And I stand as a witness that there is indeed a serious problem regarding reverse discrimination. At least in my corner of the world.


And besides the fact that my apartment may or may not be closing down (still don't know for sure), another reason I am looking for a new location in which to reside, is that I do not feel safe living in this section of the city, for I more closely resemble a Caucasian .

So to reiterate, yes, I agree with this very amazing pastor. I would looooove to attend his church !!!

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

Can you sit there and tell me with a straight face,that if travon martin was white ,they would have tried to cover the murder up the way they did?Or would they have immediately hung zimmerman from the nearest tree!

Over a decade ago, a couple of white supremists murdered a black man by dragging him to death. The jury came back and convicted them and sentenced them to death. This country only favors whites to racialists who see it that way. You have the very bias that this pastor is addressing as sinful and unconverted. You see race and not people, you reject any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative that America is a racist and bigoted nation. In your warped view, white people murder blacks routinely and get away with it. The hate crime I cited as evidence doesn't support your narrative so you ignore it. When the Duke Lacrosse trial was happening, you seized upon it gleefully as yet more evidence of privileged white boys trying to get away with murdering a poor black woman. And when the evidence didn't coincide with it, you went on to something else.

People like you are the problem. People like you are precisely what this pastor is talking about.

I have heard of this pastor before and have found his color blindness absolutely refreshing. And, yes, I agree with this sermon 100 %.

I live in an area that is around 40 % white, 40 % black, and around 20 % Hispanic.


And not one time have I ever heard or witnessed one racial act on the whites or Hispanics part towards the blacks. Where as almost on a daily basis I hear blacks speak in a derogatory manner towards whites and Hispanics. Even on 3 separate occasions have seen a group of blacks physically attack a white person.

I am sort of like George Zimmerman. I am half white and half Hispanic (he is half latino). My grandfather on my father's side was born in France and only spoke French. My grandparents on my mother's side were born in Mexico and only spoke Spanish. (My dad was tri-lingual. He spoke English, Spanish, and French.)


And I stand as a witness that there is indeed a serious problem regarding reverse discrimination. At least in my corner of the world.

And besides the fact that my apartment may or may not be closing down (still don't know for sure), another reason I am looking for a new location in which to reside, is that I do not feel safe living in this section of the city, for I more closely resemble a Caucasian .

So to reiterate, yes, I agree with this very amazing pastor. I would looooove to attend his church !!!

We would love to have you up here in Idaho. I'm not white myself (I'm American Blackfoot Indian) so I can be the first to attest that minorities are treated very well up here even though the false rumor persists that we're a racist state. We're good people up here who love God, promote family values, run balanced budgets, and carry guns. And we have a very low crime rate. You should consider moving just a few hundred miles north.

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[laid renard]

Sounds nice Vale !! B)

I can ignore the hedonistic materialism and utterly vile sexual sin of this city, but it's the peoples' attitude that are wearing thin on me.



In His Love,

laid renard


ps

My parents were Catholic. :)

 

[Pelaides]

Over a decade ago, a couple of white supremists murdered a black man by dragging him to death. The jury came back and convicted them and sentenced them to death. This country only favors whites to racialists who see it that way. You have the very bias that this pastor is addressing as sinful and unconverted. You see race and not people, you reject any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative that America is a racist and bigoted nation. In your warped view, white people murder blacks routinely and get away with it. The hate crime I cited as evidence doesn't support your narrative so you ignore it. When the Duke Lacrosse trial was happening, you seized upon it gleefully as yet more evidence of privileged white boys trying to get away with murdering a poor black woman. And when the evidence didn't coincide with it, you went on to something else.

People like you are the problem. People like you are precisely what this pastor is talking about.

We would love to have you up here in Idaho. I'm not white myself (I'm American Blackfoot Indian) so I can be the first to attest that minorities are treated very well up here even though the false rumor persists that we're a racist state. We're good people up here who love God, promote family values, run balanced budgets, and carry guns. And we have a very low crime rate. You should consider moving just a few hundred miles north.

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I never made any comments about the duke lacrosse team?But you still have not answered my question.Why did the state of florida try to cover up the murder?Why did they try to prevent zimmerman from going to trial?

 

[This Vale Of Tears]

I never made any comments about the duke lacrosse team?But you still have not answered my question.Why did the state of florida try to cover up the murder?Why did they try to prevent zimmerman from going to trial?

The police did not charge Zimmerman because under Florida law, (as well as every other state) there can be no arrest without probable cause that a crime was committed. The police were correct in their decision and even the jury came to the same conclusion. No evidence of a crime.