Do you believe this is...

[face2face]

...a true assessment of His Angels?

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

 

[Stumpmaster]

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

Do you believe this is a true assessment of His Angels?

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

Gibberish

 

[face2face]

Gibberish

Got you stumped?

 

[Jack]

God COMMANDED ALL His angels to worship Jesus.

 

[Duck Muscles]

...a true assessment of His Angels?

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

20Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.

Praise the Lord, my soul.


God is Sovereign and holds dominion over all created within his creation. Everything functions as God created it to. Be it the darkness or the light. The evil or the good.

 

[face2face]

God COMMANDED ALL His angels to worship Jesus.

Not all Jack...you believe many sinned, no?

 

[Jack]

Not all Jack...you believe many sinned, no?

Yes, ALL!

Hebrews 1:6 "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

 

[face2face]

Yes, ALL!

Hebrews 1:6 "Let all the angels of God worship Him."

Interesting...so you don't hold to a fallen rebel angel. Good to know.

 

[Taken]

...a true assessment of His Angels?

Praise the Lord, you angels of his, you powerful warriors who carry out his decrees and obey his orders! 103:21 Praise the Lord, all you warriors of his, you servants of his who carry out his desires! Ps 103:20–21.

I'm consistently hearing in this forum of fallen angels which clearly is a contraction to the above truth.

Our Father in heaven, may your name be honored, 6:10 may your kingdom come, may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven Mt 6:9–10.

Is His Will always done in Heaven?

So do His Angels "always" do His Pleasure?
Is His Will "always" done in Heaven?

Many of you reading this would say NO! God is not in control of His own House; the Divine Nature being pure, perfect and Holy can sin

Carry through the logic...you wrestle for 70 odd years in the flesh suffering with temptation and sin only to find you will sin as a divine being

Have you got the whole fallen angel doctrine entirely wrong?

99% of this forum are in this position of error!

99% of this forum do not know the God of Psalm 103:20-21 & Matthew 6:9-10

Proceed...

F2F

Angels have Freewill. Those who keep their holiness Serve God according to Gods Order and Way of Righteousness.

Fallen angels have lost their holiness, are not righteous and have lost their first estate. (heaven)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[face2face]

Angels have Freewill.

Proof text please

Those who keep their holiness Serve God according to Gods Order and Way of Righteousness.

Fallen angels have lost their holiness, are not righteous and have lost their first estate. (heaven)

Proof text please

Glory to God,
Taken

I've shown you via two text that all Angels obey God commands and do His Pleasure.
I've also shown you God's Will is always done in Heaven which is not the case on earth. A promised change is coming!

F2F

 

[face2face]

20Praise the Lord, you his angels,
you mighty ones who do his bidding,
who obey his word.
21 Praise the Lord, all his heavenly hosts,
you his servants who do his will.
22 Praise the Lord, all his works
everywhere in his dominion.

Praise the Lord, my soul.


God is Sovereign and holds dominion over all created within his creation. Everything functions as God created it to. Be it the darkness or the light. The evil or the good.

To this I also agree however the OP is still unanswered.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

Interesting...so you don't hold to a fallen rebel angel. Good to know.

What you appear not to know is the Book of Job.
Satan can do nothing without God permitting.

 

[face2face]

What you appear not to know is the Book of Job.
Satan can do nothing without God permitting.

The Powerless Adversary in Job

Well, at last we have the word Satan or Adversary, which can be either good, or bad depending on the circumstances. Unlike a devil, or false accuser, these people are always bad. Only problem in Job is once again nowhere does it state the adversary is a fallen angel. The way I will approach...

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If you read the book carefully you will see your adversary is powerless and all the evil is attributed to God Himself.

Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. Job 42:11

So many Christians today are lazy readers of the Word...they have been beguiled with fanciful notions likened to the Greek Mythology of Christ's day.

F2F

 

[BlessedPeace]

The Powerless Adversary in Job

Well, at last we have the word Satan or Adversary, which can be either good, or bad depending on the circumstances. Unlike a devil, or false accuser, these people are always bad. Only problem in Job is once again nowhere does it state the adversary is a fallen angel. The way I will approach...

www.christianityboard.com

If you read the book carefully you will see your adversary is powerless and all the evil is attributed to God Himself.

Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. Job 42:11

So many Christians today are lazy readers of the Word...they have been beguiled with fanciful notions likened to the Greek Mythology of Christ's day.

F2F

"

If you read the book carefully you will see your adversary is powerless and all the evil is attributed to God Himself."

Now you got it.

 

[Duck Muscles]

The Powerless Adversary in Job

Well, at last we have the word Satan or Adversary, which can be either good, or bad depending on the circumstances. Unlike a devil, or false accuser, these people are always bad. Only problem in Job is once again nowhere does it state the adversary is a fallen angel. The way I will approach...

www.christianityboard.com

If you read the book carefully you will see your adversary is powerless and all the evil is attributed to God Himself.

Then came to him all his brothers and sisters and all who had known him before, and ate bread with him in his house. And they showed him sympathy and comforted him for all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him. And each of them gave him a piece of money and a ring of gold. Job 42:11

So many Christians today are lazy readers of the Word...they have been beguiled with fanciful notions likened to the Greek Mythology of Christ's day.

F2F

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?" Then Satan answered the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nought? Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face." And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. "(Job 1:6-12 RSV)

 

[Jack]

Interesting...so you don't hold to a fallen rebel angel. Good to know.

Heb 1 "ALL God's angels". Not Satan's angels. Michael is God's angel. He worships Jesus!

 

[face2face]

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. The LORD said to Satan, "Whence have you come?" Satan answered the LORD, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it." And the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?" Then Satan answered the LORD, "Does Job fear God for nought? Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face." And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand." So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD. "(Job 1:6-12 RSV)

So who was the Adversary?
Any thoughts...we know it wasn't a fallen angel so who?

 

[face2face]

Heb 1 "ALL God's angels". Not Satan's angels. Michael is God's angel. He worships Jesus!

So you believe this satan wasnt one of God's angels?
So where did this angel come from?
I know you are a man who likes to quote Scripture...do you have any?

 

[Jack]

So you believe this satan wasnt one of God's angels?

Satan sinned against God. He's WICKED! He certainly isn't an angel of God. Michael is and worships Jesus.

So where did this angel come from?

God created Satan. God / Jesus created EVERYTHING knowing the outcomes.

I know you are a man who likes to quote Scripture...do you have any?

A very interesting subject indeed. Are you referring to the sovereignty of God? Yes, the Devil has angels too.

 

[Taken]

Proof text please

Jude 1:
[6] And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Proof text please,

2 Pet 2:
[4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

I've shown you via two text that all Angels obey God commands and do His Pleasure.
I've also shown you God's Will is always done in Heaven which is not the case on earth. A promised change is coming!

F2F

* Before manKIND, God created the Heaven and Earth.
* Heaven IS Gods throne.
* All Angels OBSERVED God creating the Earth.
* Angels were Created holy, to Serve the “Himself”, Holy God, “ACCORDING TO” Gods own Standard and Principles of WHAT “HOLINESS” IS;
which “IS” RIGHTEOUSNESS.

Gen 1: (Singular…the Heaven…Singular the Earth)
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Job 38:
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

It is knowledge Revealed, little by little, bit by bit FROM the MOUTH of GOD, via the WORD of GOD, that comes forth out FROM GOD.
Isa 28:10
Isa 45:23
Isa 48:3
Isa 55:11

It IS a Heavenly (Celestial beings’) ie. ANGELS’ OPTION to Hear, Learn, Believe and Trust and DO the Word of God….OR NOT…
(Which IS a Celestial beings…FREEWILL)

It IS an Earthly (Terrestrial being) ie manKIND of being, to Hear, Learn, Believe and Trust and DO the Word of God…OR NOT…
(Which IS: a manKIND of being’ FREEWILL.)

IT is “WISDOM”, to. Gain the “UNDERSTANDING” of Gods WORD;
(According TO angels? No
(According TO manKind? No
(According TO the Lord God Almighty? Yes

God “IS” the GREAT DIVIDER
Which is to say…God Himself Established and Revealed His ORDER and His WAY of and for “ALL”….IS “VERY GOOD”, and acceptable unto God.

God “ALSO” Revealed…the OPPOSITION of “VERY GOOD”….is; “VERY BAD”…
(Evil, wicked, corrupt, against God, etc.)

FACT IS: Created Angels…Have an Estate.
FACT IS: Created manKIND…Have an Estate.
FACT IS: An “Estate” IS: Gods Creation of A HABITAT, a specific PLACE, for Created Celestial Beings AND Terrestrial Beings to BE “Domiciled” (meaning to HAVE a permanent RESIDENCY, congruent to their express “VERY GOOD WELL BEING”.

Holy Angels were Created to RIGHTEOUSLY Serve God. FROM THEIR OWN CREATION, THEY WERE EQUIPPED WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF GODS…”very good” TRUTH.

ManKIND was Created to RIGHTEOUSLY Serve God. From the FIRST manKIND of beings…(Male AND Female)…. THEY “WERE””BECOMING EQUIPPED”, To Serve. God Righteously.
When…? In their estate/habitat, Garden of Eden.
How….? By the Presence of God.
Manner….? Gods Word coming forth OUT OF His Mouth, TO their EARS.

THEIR OPTION? FREEWILL…TO DO as God Taught via His WORD…”or NOT”…

Angels FREEWILL is to hear, learn, believe Gods truth…DO or NOT as God teaches.

Mans FREEWILL is to hear, learn, believe, Gods truth…DO or NOT as God teaches.

For EVERY TRUTH God TEACHES…there “IS” a “CONSEQUENCE”….FOR “DOING” as God teaches….AND FOR “NOT DOING” as God teaches.

Angels AND Mankind HAVE the FREEWILL to “CHOOSE” their OWN “WILL”, “DO” as their OWN WILL desires…AND GOD…
WILL NOT STOP THEM…ie (God WILL “ ALLOW Angels and manKIND to exercise their “OWN WILL”.

God ‘CONTROLS” the CONSEQUENCESof an Angels Choices, of a mans Choices!

The FREEWILL of an Angel, or a man…IS THEIR Own OPTION TO CHOOSE.

The CONSEQUENCE of their CHOICES (which BTW are NOT SECRET )
God Himself Expressly EXACTS, without the consideration of an Angel’s or manKind’s WILL, INPUT or DESIRE.

You are meshing, convoluting, an angels, a mans freewill of CHOICE to DO as he WILL…
(Without God STOPPING him)….WITH Gods own Freewill AND POWER, to FORCE, to EXACT the Consequences of THEIR CHOICES, without their consideration.

They are NOT the same thing.

Glory to God,
Taken