Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

[Chrysostomos]

Next time you get a little communion biscuit be sure to get a DNA sample. If it has any other DNA than what should be in bread I will convert.

Don’t blaspheme.

 

[Chrysostomos]

Deconstructing the Myth of Genetic Jewish Identity: A Data-Driven Analysis​

The debate over Jewish origins, particularly concerning Ashkenazi Jews and modern Israeli identity, is often clouded by oversimplified genetic claims. A closer examination of population genetics, history, and demography reveals a far more complex picture that challenges the narrative of a direct, unbroken lineage from the ancient Israelites to the modern Israeli population.

1. The "Billions of Ancestors" Paradox: We Are All Related
Any discussion of ancient ancestry must begin with a simple mathematical reality. Each person has 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, and this number doubles every generation. Projecting this back 2,700 years results in a number of theoretical ancestors that far exceeds the global population at the time. This means that everyone with roots in the Eurasian landmass is distantly related countless times over. The idea of a "pure" bloodline surviving millennia is a biological impossibility. We are all part of a single, massively interconnected human family tree.

2. The European Half: What Autosomal DNA Reveals
While much focus is placed on the Y-chromosome (the paternal line), autosomal DNA—which accounts for the entirety of one's ancestry—tells a more complete story. For Ashkenazi Jews, autosomal analysis consistently shows that approximately 50% of their genome is of European origin. This is not a minor admixture but a fundamental component of their genetic makeup, resulting from centuries of mixing with local populations in Southern and Eastern Europe. To claim an exclusive or primary Levantine ancestry is to ignore half of the genetic story.

3. The Y-Chromosome: A Single Thread in a Vast Tapestry
Proponents of direct lineage often point to studies showing a high frequency of "Levantine" Y-chromosomes in Ashkenazi men. However, the Y-chromosome represents a single, direct paternal line out of thousands of ancestral lineages. Proving a Levantine origin for one great-great-great... grandfather does not negate the genetic contributions of the hundreds of other ancestors from different parts of the world. It is a error in logic to use this single data point to represent the entirety of a people's origins.

4. The Irony of the Soviet Aliyah: 2 Million Repatriates with Slavic DNA
The most compelling real-world evidence comes from the mass migration from the former Soviet Union. Since 1990, nearly 2 million people have repatriated to Israel under the Law of Return. A significant portion of this group consists of non-Jewish spouses, children, and grandchildren. Furthermore, even among those classified as Jewish, genetic testing would reveal a high prevalence of the Slavic Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, which is predominant in Eastern Europe but largely absent in the Levant.

The argument that modern Israelis are direct descendants of ancient Israelites genetically collapses when confronted with this demographic reality. For a large segment of Israel's Jewish population, a direct genetic link to the Levant is nonexistent; their connection is legal, not biological.

5. The Levantine Genetic Signature: A Regional, Not a Jewish, Trait
The genetic markers labeled as "Levantine" and used to prove Jewish ancestry are not unique to Jews. These very same markers are found at high frequencies among other modern populations in the region, including Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Druze. If the presence of this DNA signifies descent from the ancient Israelites, then we must logically conclude that these other groups are also descendants. Alternatively, the more rational conclusion is that these markers represent the common genetic heritage of the entire Levantine region, not the exclusive patrimony of one specific group.

Conclusion

The attempt to define Jewish identity through a narrow, selective reading of genetics is scientifically flawed and historically naive. The evidence points to a different truth:

Ashkenazi Jews are a people of mixed ancestry, with significant and foundational genetic input from Europe.

The modern Israeli state is demographically diverse, with millions of citizens whose recent genetic origins lie in Eastern Europe, not the ancient Levant.

The "Levantine" genetic signal is a shared regional heritage, not a unique Jewish identifier.

 

[kdx]

Christians should be able to discern that Satan remains hard at work lying to the lost of the world to persecute the Jewish people. The world hates Jews even more than they hate Jesus and Christian.

This really sounds like Satan is more busy dealing with the Jews than with Christ and his people.

 

[kdx]

having lost their homeland to Russia who nearly wiped them out for practicing Satan worship and kidnapping and sacrificing Russian children.

Could you provide some resources where I can read about that?

 

[ScottA]

Could you provide some resources where I can read about that?

Unfortunately you may have to go to Russia and search among hidden records to read what has all but been erased from the history books by corrupt operatives in an attempt to hide the origins of the Khazars and the Khazarian Mafia, to avoid being exposed. The only information available online is now labeled "conspiracy theory" by so called "fact checkers" (wolves or deep state overseeing the hen house for centuries), is limited to underground news sources and the Qanon movement who did their homework early on and have word from those who have been waging war against the deep state now for centuries.

If you know that much of the news is actually "fake", then you may also want to know that this is the reason why. And it involves every area of modern life from banking to politics, media, industry--everything--and they have everything to loose. On the other hand, if one believes there is nothing to the so called "secret societies", then they'll just have to wait and see.

But here is some insightful info:

The following quote is amazing—perhaps all that should be necessary to come into the knowledge of the truth.​

​

In his inaugural speech of April 27, 1961 President John F. Kennedy spoke the following words as a plea and request for cooperation from the press, eluding to the secret corruption that has plagued the world for centuries, resulting in what was undoubtedly the cause of his assignation:​

​

“For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence—on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice, on guerrillas by night instead of armies by day. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.​

​

“Its preparations are concealed, not published. Its mistakes are buried, not headlined. Its dissenters are silenced, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed. It conducts the Cold War, in short, with a war-time discipline no democracy would ever hope or wish to match.”​

​

Which ultimately got him killed.

 

[kdx]

only information available online

Where? I don’t mind something being labeled conspiracy theories, as long as it is backed up by evidence.

 

[ScottA]

Where? I don’t mind something being labeled conspiracy theories, as long as it is backed up by evidence.

You might just search "Khazarian Mafia." Here's a few to check out:

• IMDb

https://www.imdb.com › title


Khazarian Mafia - The God Eaters (Chuck Swindoll, Jr). Podcast Episode; 2024; 1h 36m. YOUR RATING. Rate. Add a plot in your language.

• The Khazarian Mafia | History Revealed | Sarah Westhall & Mike Harries Podcast - Rumble
• https://ia600405.us.archive.org/28/...ry of the Incredibly Evil Khazarian Mafia.pdf

 

[Luther7]

Good read. The answer: Nope, not at

Historically, the Northern Kingdom of Israel, comprising ten tribes, was conquered by Assyria around 722 BCE. The Assyrians deported much of Israel's population to regions like Assyria, Mesopotamia, and Media, as part of their policy of scattering conquered peoples (2 Kings 17:24). This led to the "lost ten tribes," who largely assimilated into other nations, and the Northern Kingdom ceased to exist as a state.

After this, only the Southern Kingdom of Judah remained, primarily made up of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and some Levites. Judah was later conquered by Babylon under Nebuchadnezzar II around 587/586 BCE, and its people were taken into the Babylonian captivity. After Babylon fell to the Persians in 539 BCE, King Cyrus the Great issued a decree allowing the Jews to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple (Ezra 1:1–4), which was completed around 516 BCE. From that point until the time of Jesus (circa 4 BCE–30 CE), the restored community was known as Judah, not Israel. It existed under Persian, Greek, and later Roman rule (from 63 BCE, when Pompey captured Jerusalem). In 70 CE, the Romans, under Titus, destroyed the Second Temple and Jerusalem, effectively ending Judah as a center of Jewish statehood until modern times.

Yet, in 1948, the founders of the modern state chose the name "Israel." This choice is significant because the descendants of the biblical Israel were dispersed long before the Second Temple period, and over 2,000 years have passed since the destruction of Judah in 70 CE. Some question whether modern Israelis are truly descendants of Abraham’s tribes, given the long history of dispersion and intermingling, especially for the "lost" tribes of Israel, whose assimilation began over 2,700 years ago.

The name "Israel" for the modern state might evoke the biblical unity of all twelve tribes, but historically and genealogically, claiming direct continuity with the ancient Israel is questionable.

There's no historical evidence (from Josephus, archaeology, or other sources) of organized, unassimilated communities from the ten northern tribes (the ones conquered by Assyria in 722 BCE) still existing as distinct groups in 1st-century Palestine. The northern territory had long been repopulated by Samaritans—a mixed group of Assyrian settlers and remnant Israelites who intermarried and developed their own syncretic faith.

the 1st century, "Israel" as a national or tribal entity from the united monarchy era (pre-922 BCE) no longer existed. The northern kingdom had vanished 800 years earlier, assimilated into Assyrian territories, leaving only the southern kingdom's remnants (Judeans, or Jews).
That's why descendants of Judah/Benjamin would historically have named a restored state "Judah," not "Israel"—the two were separate (and often rival) kingdoms in the Bible.

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

Very well said. My answer: Nope....Nada.
They are a mixed race of people. There is hardly a trace of Hebrew DNA swimming around in their " spit on the Christian tourists" blood.

They stole the identity of Old Testament Israel to trick us into supporting their plans of world control with their " messiah" as he will soon sit in the "temple of God".
I firmly believe that they are from Esau..... Canaanites, with a spiritual seed going back to Cain, the first murderer.
They are Amelek as they project that on us. Their religion is from ancient Babylon.
If they have any identification to Old Testament Israel it would be the pharisees who eventually became rabbis with their talmudic religion.
The only people close to jews are the Palestinians who have been in that region for thousands of years. Today's jews came from Eastern Europe. THEY AREN'T EVEN SEMITIC.
We've been duped. And it's too late to even speak up about it. That's why we have our hope in Jesus Christ.

That's the long answer.

 

[Rockerduck]

Deconstructing the Myth of Genetic Jewish Identity: A Data-Driven Analysis​

The debate over Jewish origins, particularly concerning Ashkenazi Jews and modern Israeli identity, is often clouded by oversimplified genetic claims. A closer examination of population genetics, history, and demography reveals a far more complex picture that challenges the narrative of a direct, unbroken lineage from the ancient Israelites to the modern Israeli population.

1. The "Billions of Ancestors" Paradox: We Are All Related
Any discussion of ancient ancestry must begin with a simple mathematical reality. Each person has 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, and this number doubles every generation. Projecting this back 2,700 years results in a number of theoretical ancestors that far exceeds the global population at the time. This means that everyone with roots in the Eurasian landmass is distantly related countless times over. The idea of a "pure" bloodline surviving millennia is a biological impossibility. We are all part of a single, massively interconnected human family tree.

2. The European Half: What Autosomal DNA Reveals
While much focus is placed on the Y-chromosome (the paternal line), autosomal DNA—which accounts for the entirety of one's ancestry—tells a more complete story. For Ashkenazi Jews, autosomal analysis consistently shows that approximately 50% of their genome is of European origin. This is not a minor admixture but a fundamental component of their genetic makeup, resulting from centuries of mixing with local populations in Southern and Eastern Europe. To claim an exclusive or primary Levantine ancestry is to ignore half of the genetic story.

3. The Y-Chromosome: A Single Thread in a Vast Tapestry
Proponents of direct lineage often point to studies showing a high frequency of "Levantine" Y-chromosomes in Ashkenazi men. However, the Y-chromosome represents a single, direct paternal line out of thousands of ancestral lineages. Proving a Levantine origin for one great-great-great... grandfather does not negate the genetic contributions of the hundreds of other ancestors from different parts of the world. It is a error in logic to use this single data point to represent the entirety of a people's origins.

4. The Irony of the Soviet Aliyah: 2 Million Repatriates with Slavic DNA
The most compelling real-world evidence comes from the mass migration from the former Soviet Union. Since 1990, nearly 2 million people have repatriated to Israel under the Law of Return. A significant portion of this group consists of non-Jewish spouses, children, and grandchildren. Furthermore, even among those classified as Jewish, genetic testing would reveal a high prevalence of the Slavic Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, which is predominant in Eastern Europe but largely absent in the Levant.

The argument that modern Israelis are direct descendants of ancient Israelites genetically collapses when confronted with this demographic reality. For a large segment of Israel's Jewish population, a direct genetic link to the Levant is nonexistent; their connection is legal, not biological.

5. The Levantine Genetic Signature: A Regional, Not a Jewish, Trait
The genetic markers labeled as "Levantine" and used to prove Jewish ancestry are not unique to Jews. These very same markers are found at high frequencies among other modern populations in the region, including Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Druze. If the presence of this DNA signifies descent from the ancient Israelites, then we must logically conclude that these other groups are also descendants. Alternatively, the more rational conclusion is that these markers represent the common genetic heritage of the entire Levantine region, not the exclusive patrimony of one specific group.

Conclusion

The attempt to define Jewish identity through a narrow, selective reading of genetics is scientifically flawed and historically naive. The evidence points to a different truth:

Ashkenazi Jews are a people of mixed ancestry, with significant and foundational genetic input from Europe.

The modern Israeli state is demographically diverse, with millions of citizens whose recent genetic origins lie in Eastern Europe, not the ancient Levant.

The "Levantine" genetic signal is a shared regional heritage, not a unique Jewish identifier.

There are genetic bottlenecks that you didn't post.

 

[Luther7]

Deconstructing the Myth of Genetic Jewish Identity: A Data-Driven Analysis​

The debate over Jewish origins, particularly concerning Ashkenazi Jews and modern Israeli identity, is often clouded by oversimplified genetic claims. A closer examination of population genetics, history, and demography reveals a far more complex picture that challenges the narrative of a direct, unbroken lineage from the ancient Israelites to the modern Israeli population.

1. The "Billions of Ancestors" Paradox: We Are All Related
Any discussion of ancient ancestry must begin with a simple mathematical reality. Each person has 4 grandparents, 8 great-grandparents, and this number doubles every generation. Projecting this back 2,700 years results in a number of theoretical ancestors that far exceeds the global population at the time. This means that everyone with roots in the Eurasian landmass is distantly related countless times over. The idea of a "pure" bloodline surviving millennia is a biological impossibility. We are all part of a single, massively interconnected human family tree.

2. The European Half: What Autosomal DNA Reveals
While much focus is placed on the Y-chromosome (the paternal line), autosomal DNA—which accounts for the entirety of one's ancestry—tells a more complete story. For Ashkenazi Jews, autosomal analysis consistently shows that approximately 50% of their genome is of European origin. This is not a minor admixture but a fundamental component of their genetic makeup, resulting from centuries of mixing with local populations in Southern and Eastern Europe. To claim an exclusive or primary Levantine ancestry is to ignore half of the genetic story.

3. The Y-Chromosome: A Single Thread in a Vast Tapestry
Proponents of direct lineage often point to studies showing a high frequency of "Levantine" Y-chromosomes in Ashkenazi men. However, the Y-chromosome represents a single, direct paternal line out of thousands of ancestral lineages. Proving a Levantine origin for one great-great-great... grandfather does not negate the genetic contributions of the hundreds of other ancestors from different parts of the world. It is a error in logic to use this single data point to represent the entirety of a people's origins.

4. The Irony of the Soviet Aliyah: 2 Million Repatriates with Slavic DNA
The most compelling real-world evidence comes from the mass migration from the former Soviet Union. Since 1990, nearly 2 million people have repatriated to Israel under the Law of Return. A significant portion of this group consists of non-Jewish spouses, children, and grandchildren. Furthermore, even among those classified as Jewish, genetic testing would reveal a high prevalence of the Slavic Y-chromosome haplogroup R1a, which is predominant in Eastern Europe but largely absent in the Levant.

The argument that modern Israelis are direct descendants of ancient Israelites genetically collapses when confronted with this demographic reality. For a large segment of Israel's Jewish population, a direct genetic link to the Levant is nonexistent; their connection is legal, not biological.

5. The Levantine Genetic Signature: A Regional, Not a Jewish, Trait
The genetic markers labeled as "Levantine" and used to prove Jewish ancestry are not unique to Jews. These very same markers are found at high frequencies among other modern populations in the region, including Palestinians, Lebanese, Syrians, and Druze. If the presence of this DNA signifies descent from the ancient Israelites, then we must logically conclude that these other groups are also descendants. Alternatively, the more rational conclusion is that these markers represent the common genetic heritage of the entire Levantine region, not the exclusive patrimony of one specific group.

Conclusion

The attempt to define Jewish identity through a narrow, selective reading of genetics is scientifically flawed and historically naive. The evidence points to a different truth:

Ashkenazi Jews are a people of mixed ancestry, with significant and foundational genetic input from Europe.

The modern Israeli state is demographically diverse, with millions of citizens whose recent genetic origins lie in Eastern Europe, not the ancient Levant.

The "Levantine" genetic signal is a shared regional heritage, not a unique Jewish identifier.

Thank you so much for posting this. Going to look into it now.

 

[Jericho]

So, here's my direct question: Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?

Regarding the so-called lost tribes of Israel, it's true that the Israelites from the Kingdom of Israel were dispersed throughout the Assyrian empire, and foreigners were brought in. But not every single Israelite was relocated. They left a lot of the rural population, the poor, and the old. It appears a lot were also left in Samira, and yes, they later intermarried with the foreign population.

But even before the fall of the Kingdom of Israel, it is expected that some members of the ten tribes would have migrated south to the Kingdom of Judah. Some of it would have been to escape war. Some of it would have been due to religious festivals. Hezekiah, for instance, invited Israelites from the north to celebrate Passover in Jerusalem. Some of it would have been for religious reasons. After Jeroboam I established alternative worship centers at Bethel and Dan; the more faithful Israelites migrated south, including the Levites, Ephraim, Manasseh, and other tribes (2 Ch 11:13-17).

After the Second Temple was destroyed and the last of the Jewish revolts were put down by the Romans, many Jews dispersed. But again, not everyone left. There has been a continual Jewish presence within that region for thousands of years. We can assume descendants of the other tribes remained as well, though they identify as Jews today. Strictly speaking, Jews are from the tribe of Judea. But today, it has really become more of an umbrella term. Take people with the surname Cohen. Cohen means "priest," and they trace their lineage back to the priestly Kohanim tribe, who trace their lineage to Aaron (DNA confirms they share a common male ancestor from the Near East around 2,000 to 3,000 years ago.) So, they are descendants of the tribe of Levi, but they identify as Jews today.

The 10 northern tribes of Israel got fully assimilated and dissolved over the course of ~800 years after the Assyrian conquest.
And you’re telling me that in over 2,000 years since the fall of Judah, the descendants of Judah and Benjamin somehow didn’t mix at all?
Seriously?

I'm sure they did mix, but I also don't see why that matters. If someone is a descendant of Abraham, regardless of the inclusion of differing admixture, they are still Abraham's descendants. Even in Biblical times, their were mixing in with foreigners. Moses, for example, had a foreign wife, and their children would still be considered Levites. There is no reason they need be of a "pure" bloodline, which sounds a lot like a certain person in history who was obsessed with genetic purity.

When many people think of the Jews in Israel, they think of European Ashkenazi Jews, but there are different types of Jews (Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardi, Ethiopian, etc.). Ashkenazi Jews are not even the majority in Israel; it's Mizrahi Jews who have 70-90% Levantine/Middle Eastern DNA. But all groups share a significant Levantine (ancient Israelite/Middle Eastern) DNA component but differ due to regional admixture.

Prophetically speaking, God promised Israel would be regathered and reconstituted in the latter days. The Book of Revelation centers around the geographical location of modern Israel, and all but the tribe of Dan is represented in Revelation 7. If Revelation describes yet future events, as I believe it is, then not only is Israel prophetic, but God knows who belongs to which tribe even if they don't know.

 

[Wrangler]

Do you really believe modern Israelis are direct descendants of those "lost" northern tribes scattered by Assyria 2,700 years ago?​

No and neither do I care as no such standard is applied to other nations legitimacy.

What’s so funny to me about this question is how so many in Christendom interpret “Israel” in Scripture to spiritually mean modern day Christian’s. Which is it?

 

[Luther7]

No and neither do I care as no such standard is applied to other nations legitimacy.

What’s so funny to me about this question is how so many in Christendom interpret “Israel” in Scripture to spiritually mean modern day Christian’s. Which is it?

Well if God has an ongoing relationship with an Old Testament nation, then to what effect was Christ's atonement?
The New Covenant is what it says ...NEW.
Old things are passed away. Now everyone has to go through Jesus to get to the Father. And heaven, of course.
That means that " jews" ( whatever that word means today) are treated no different than anyone else.
This would also mean that the Old testament language of Israel and it's eternal inheritance must be for all who are in Christ. And there are many " spiritual" references or parallels that confirm this notion.

 

[Wrangler]

Well if God has an ongoing relationship with an Old Testament nation, then to what effect was Christ's atonement?

One thing has nothing to do with the other. Egypt, Ethiopia, Syria and Israel are all OT countries. Doesn’t mean God has no plan for them through his son.

 

[Wrangler]

I found this video and though you'd find it fascinating.

 

[Luther7]

One thing has nothing to do with the other. Egypt, Ethiopia, Syria and Israel are all OT countries. Doesn’t mean God has no plan for them through his son.

That's exactly my point.... through His Son. The problem with the " jewish" nation of Israel is that the "messiah" of their religion is not Jesus. They also believe that their " messiah" will set up a kingdom for them in which they will rule the world.
So, instead of Christian Zionists believing the Bible where Jesus says that He " will make all things new" when He comes, they were taught to believe that they will be sharing " power" with the jews from a sin- cursed earthly Jerusalem, in which Old testament sacrifices will be carried out in a temple which Christ abolished through His atonement.

 

[Wrangler]

They also believe that their " messiah" will set up a kingdom for them in which they will rule the world.

There is only one Messiah, the Jewish Messiah. The irony is the Jewish people, then and now, do not recognize their own Messiah. We should be humble enough to recognize there is good reason why the covenant people don’t recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus failed.

Jesus failed to fulfill prophecies of the Messiah. Christians don’t think anything of saying these will be fulfilled at his 2nd Coming and other creative re-interpretations of Scripture. Convenient but contradicts Old Testament prophecies. Perhaps this is the most definitive answer. SIX REASONS WHY JEWS DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS
Reason #1 – The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon – Jesus did not qualify.
Reason #2 – Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles – Jesus did not do this.
Reason #3– Rebuilding of the Holy Temple – Jesus failed to achieve this.
Reason #4– Worldwide Reign of Peace – Jesus did not accomplish this.
Reason #5 – Observance of the Torah Embraced by All Jews – Jesus didn’t bring this about.
Reason #6 – Universal Knowledge of G-d – Jesus clearly failed here also.

 

[HealthyShape]

For many are rebellious and full of empty talk and deception, especially those of the circumcision, who must be silenced...

... pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of men who have rejected the truth.
Titus 1:10, 14

 

[Luther7]

There is only one Messiah, the Jewish Messiah. The irony is the Jewish people, then and now, do not recognize their own Messiah. We should be humble enough to recognize there is good reason why the covenant people don’t recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Jesus failed.

Jesus failed to fulfill prophecies of the Messiah. Christians don’t think anything of saying these will be fulfilled at his 2nd Coming and other creative re-interpretations of Scripture. Convenient but contradicts Old Testament prophecies. Perhaps this is the most definitive answer. SIX REASONS WHY JEWS DON'T BELIEVE IN JESUS
Reason #1 – The Messiah must be from the Tribe of Judah and a Descendant of King David AND King Solomon – Jesus did not qualify.
Reason #2 – Ingathering of the Jewish Exiles – Jesus did not do this.
Reason #3– Rebuilding of the Holy Temple – Jesus failed to achieve this.
Reason #4– Worldwide Reign of Peace – Jesus did not accomplish this.
Reason #5 – Observance of the Torah Embraced by All Jews – Jesus didn’t bring this about.
Reason #6 – Universal Knowledge of G-d – Jesus clearly failed here also.

joos don't recognize Jesus Christ as their messiah because they are chosen by God to work with satan to bring his future short lived reign to pass. But there is hope for jews that reject the talmud.

 

[Angelina]

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