Does Daniel 11 Describe King Herod and His Dynasty?

[Douggg]

@Exegesis​

I went to Wikipedia and found a list of rulers of the Seleucid empire. So I put together this list if it is any help to you.

Ruler BCE
Seleucus I Nicator 305-281
Antiochus I Soter 281-261 (co-ruled with his father, Seleucus I Nicator)
Antiochus II Theos 261-246
Seleucus II Callincus 246-225
Seleucus III Ceraunus 225-223
Antiochus III the Great 223-187
Seleucus IV Philopator 187-175
Antiochus (son of Seleucus IV) 175-164
Antiochus IV Epiphanes 175-164

There are more, but I stopped with Antiochus IV Epiphanes because he is the last one referred to in Daniel l1. Under Antiochus IV Epiphanes' rule the abomination of desolation was placed in the temple

 

[Douggg]

Time to take a break. I will post more when I get time.

I took the information in your post on Daniel 11:6-10 and inserted the characters into the kjv Daniel 11 verses. Color-coded characters from the south in blue, from the north in red. This does not replace your commentary on each verse of course.

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Daniel 11:6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's (Ptolemy II Philadelphus) daughter (Berenice) of the south shall come to the king of the north (Antiochus II Theos) to make an agreement: but she (Berenice) shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

Exegesis’s commentary: The daughter mentioned here is historically identified as Berenice, the daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus of Egypt. She was given in marriage to Antiochus II Theos of the Seleucid Empire to solidify the alliance. After the death of Ptolemy II, Antiochus II took back his former wife, Laodice, who then orchestrated the murder of Berenice and her son.

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Daniel 11:7 But out of a branch (Ptolemy III Euregetes) of her (Berenice's) roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king (Seleucus II Callinius) of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:

Exegesis’s commentary: "Branch of her roots" refers to Ptolemy III Euergetes, a brother of Berenice. Ptolemy III Euergetes sought to avenge the death of Berenice. Ptolemy III Euergetes rose to power after the death of his father, Ptolemy II Philadelphus. The "king of the North" refers to the Seleucid Empire, specifically Seleucus II Callinicus, who ruled after Antiochus II. Ptolemy III's campaign was notably successful, as he managed to secure victories and expand his influence.

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Daniel 11:8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he (Ptolemy III Euregetes) shall continue more years than the king (Seleucus II Calimius) of the north.

Exegesis’s commentary: This passage is likely about Ptolemy III Euergetes of Egypt, who invaded the Seleucid Empire and took spoils back to Egypt.

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Daniel 11:9 So the king (Ptolemy III Euregetes) of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.

Exegesis’s commentary: Assuming the king of the south is Ptolemy Euergetes, the verse completes the statements of the previous verse, and seems to describe the triumphant return of Euergetes into Egypt.

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Daniel 11:10 But his (Seleucus II Calimius’s) sons (Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great) shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.

Exegesis’s commentary: "His sons" refers to the sons of the king of the North, likely Seleucus II Callinicus, whose sons were Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great. The assembling of a great army signifies the preparation for significant military campaigns. Historically, Antiochus III, known for his military prowess, gathered substantial forces to reclaim territories lost to the Ptolemies. The imagery of advancing "like a flood" suggests an overwhelming and unstoppable military campaign. Antiochus III's campaigns were marked by rapid and decisive movements, reclaiming territories in the Levant. The "fortress" likely refers to a strategic stronghold or city, possibly in the region of Coele-Syria, which was a contested area between the Seleucids and Ptolemies.

 

[TribulationSigns]

@Exegesis​

Wikipedia

There are more, but I stopped with Antiochus IV Epiphanes because he is the last one referred to in Daniel l1. Under Antiochus IV Epiphanes' rule the abomination of desolation was placed in the temple

Ah yes—here we go again. Quoting Wikipedia like it’s divine revelation as the interpreter of God's Word. Apparently, that's now the gold standard for interpreting prophecy? It’s almost comical watching Premillennialists and Preterists scramble to fit Antiochus IV into Daniel 11 as the “little horn.”


I’ve heard it all before—claims that the Little Horn is Antiochus IV, Julius Caesar, Vespasian, or whichever Roman ruler fits the flavor of the week. And then there’s the Historicist and Reformed camp insisting it’s the Papal dynasty, with names like Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes, and even Bruce N. Cameron, J.D., chiming in that it obviously points to Papal Rome.


Meanwhile, I’ll stick to the Spirit-led interpretation of Scripture rather than recycling man-made traditions and speculative theology like you do.


When I let Scripture interpret Scripture—as we’re supposed to—I see the “little horn” as symbolic, not some historical figure with power struggle drama. It represents power—specifically, limited power or reign for a short time. But of course, while you’re busy playing historical detective, I’ll just point out what God already said clearly:

Daniel 8:6

• "And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power."

Daniel 8:7

• "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."

Habbakuk 3:4

• "And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power."

Revelation 17:12

• "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Horn signifying power, kings symbolizing their reign, which they will have near the end. Horns consistently symbolize power. And the word "little" means, well little! Do you see a pattern here? Ergo, Power for a little while, or a little power to reign. That may be unorthodox to you or to man, but it is orthodox in it conforming to the "established teaching" of God's word. Since the spirit Satan is "given" power as kings (to reign) for a little season when "he is loosed of God," he uses that time to gather the nations against the saints. This is near the end and supported by Revelation chapter 20! Nothing to do with Antiochus IV Epiphanes or Roman/Papal nonsense!

CC: @Wishit

 

[Douggg]

Ah yes—here we go again. Quoting Wikipedia like it’s divine revelation as the interpreter of God's Word. Apparently, that's now the gold standard for interpreting prophecy? It’s almost comical watching Premillennialists and Preterists scramble to fit Antiochus IV into Daniel 11 as the “little horn.”

Antiochus IV is not the little horn person. The little horn person is "time of end". We are living in the time of the end.

When I let Scripture interpret Scripture—as we’re supposed to—I see the “little horn” as symbolic,

No, the little horn person is a real individual. Who will go through 5 stages on his way to being cast alive into the lake of fire.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Of course, Douggg's interpretations are incorrect. Daniel 11 has NOTHING with history before the Cross, or Papal. It has everything to do with the New Testament congregation today, near the End!

I will give you an example, start with Zechariah 14, Christ's feet did stand upon the Mount of Olives, and the Mount did cleave. The problem is, a lot of people don't accept that the Bible is a very Spiritual book that has to be understood Spiritually. Sadly, understanding Scripture "Spiritually" has become almost like a "dirty word" to them like I am hearing from some people here. Nevertheless, the Mount or Mountain represents a Kingdom. For example, Christ came to the Mount of Olives, indeed rode into Jerusalem on a colt as King from the Mount of Olives. He preached on the Mount of Olives, prayed on the Mount of Olives, was betrayed by Judas with a kiss on the Mount of Olives, and indeed left earth from the Mount of Olives. And by His coming (and the consequent rejection of Him by His people), He destroyed the mountain or Kingdom! It was the fall of Old Testament congregation where Christ has created a "valley" for the remnant to flee into the New Testament Congregation! This is not physical but Spiritual, just as nearly all of God's prophecies are! Why would this be any different? Take, for example, the prophecy of Isaiah 40.

Isaiah 40:3-4

• "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
• Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain:"

Who takes this literally/Physically? No one!! But they would if it suited their purpose or their false doctrine! This has NOTHING whatsoever to do with literal/physical Mountains and valleys being made low by physical earthquakes. It has nothing whatsoever to do with building a physical highway in the physical desert and make it straight! But this is The Way God speaks in His prophecies to show us Spiritual truths. For example, Elijah didn't physically come back to earth to do this, nevertheless, this prophesy was very "literally" fulfilled by John The Baptist! He was Spiritually "the Elijah" (Luke 1:17) prophesied to come. Because he came with the spirit and power of Elijah. Selah!

...that some people (even today) do not understand this does not make it null and void or unfulfilled. Likewise with the dividing or cleaving of the Mountain that we read in Daniel 11:

Daniel 11:4

• "And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those."

Think about it. How can a kingdom be broken? Certainly not physically, but only spiritually in the sense of its power to rule is gone. We are talking about Satan's power! And here again, we have a kingdom cleaved in fours, but again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with a land ruled by a King physically splitting apart, nor with seismic activity occurring in a mountain or a geonational border after war. It is Spiritual language "illustrating" rule has been broken up.

Matthew 12:25

• "And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:"

Kingdoms are divided, and mountains represent kingdoms! The Bible is a Spiritual Book, not a book detailing the prophesied about a very physical collapse of bricks or stones or mountains--nor of the very physical creation of valleys, highways in the Desert or living waters (H20) flowing in the Middle East. Sadly, that is something that some people will just never learn, no matter how much I explain it to them with supporting Scriptures. Because it is Spiritually discerned, thus any aversion to Spiritual discernment will leave one without it.

Now, what does Daniel 11 talk about? Without writing a lengthy commentary, here is my understanding of it. The short version is that in Scripture, the king of the North is a synonym for Satan's Kingdom. While the king of the South, being the direct opposite, is often used to signify those working on God's Behalf. Ie, the Church. An opposite or opposing direction from the North. In Daniel when the king of the south is prophesied to be strong and have dominion. This is speaking about the New Testament congregation having power and dominion over Satan's kingdom as she preachings the Gospel to the world. Until in the END of YEARS, the North and South join forces when the daughter of the king of the South makes an agreement or covenant with the King of the North. Sounds fimiliar?

Rev 17:12-18

• And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
• These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
• These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
• And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
• And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.
• For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.
• And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

The woman is the unfaithful church. She is the king of the south. She is being judged because of her agreement with the world, and has (for all intents and purposes) has joined forces with them! In Daniel, this makes the queen of the South to then become the enemy of God. For example, we are either in agreement with one kingdom or the other. But not both. Spiritual adulterers have gone after other gods. Much like the harlot in Revelation 18. Or even as recorded in James:

James 4:4

• "Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God."

So the king of the South of Daniel is God's unfaithful congregation who agreed with the king of the North.

Daniel 11:31-35

• "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.
• And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
• And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
• Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
• And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed."

Do you know what flatteries the Lord talks about here? It will be at the end of the world when iniquity is unrestrained and the false prophets and christs rule the majority of the churches, when DECEPTION (flatteries) is so great it will even deceive the elect, where immediately after all this the end of the world will come. This is why it will be a great tribulation FOR the Saints to endure this period and patiently wait for Christ's return when they see the abomination of desolation standing in the CHURCH. Only the wise can understand and see it.

Daniel 12:9-12

• "And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
• Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
• And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
• Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days."

This also touches on why so many in the Sanctuary today "do not understand" or know what abomination is, and how it will make the Church desolate. Just as God says in Revelation, it's only the wise who understand. That means wisdom in understanding from the Spirit of God dwelling within them that enlightens them. And it's not intellectual, scholarly or worldly wisdom, including Wiki, ChatGPA, youtube false teachers, man-made "charts" that they can figure things out for themselves. It's the wisdom of Christ in them. Selah!

 

[TribulationSigns]

Antiochus IV is not the little horn person. The little horn person is "time of end". We are living in the time of the end.

Look how you insisted that the little horn is a "person". Based on what Scripture does God sees the Little Horns (or any horns) as a human figure other that power according to Scripture I quoted?!

No, the little horn person is a real individual.

Nope. Show me the Scripture that God has defined little horn as a real person. And no, the "kings" aren't real human beings either!

Who will go through 5 stages on his way to being cast alive into the lake of fire.

5 stages? Sounds more like speculation.

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This chart presents a flawed and overly simplistic interpretation of Bible prophecy by assuming that the little horn, the prince that shall come, the Antichrist, the man of sin, and the beast king are all references to one individual. But this view contradicts the broader biblical evidence. God’s Word doesn’t support the idea that one end-times figure carries all these titles.

First, the little horn in Daniel 7 rises out of the fourth beast, which represents a power for a short time of the powerful spiritual kingdom that emerges after Satan is loosed for a little season—not a literal individual (Daniel 7:23). The horn has “eyes like a man” and speaks great words, symbolizing Satan’s spirit operating through unfaithful human agents. This is how the man of sin is revealed—not as a single person, but as many who were once hidden among God’s people, now openly opposing truth once God’s restraining hand is removed. They begin attacking the faithful remnant within the church.


Second, in Daniel 8, a different little horn arises after Satan's kingdom spreads to the four winds symbolically whole earth in pursuit of the church. In the time of the end (eg. after Satan's loosening), his power to rule grows “exceedingly great” toward the south (symbolizing the corporate church), the east (representing Christ, the host of heaven), and the pleasant land (the spiritual camp of the saints, the faithful church) (Daniel 8:9). This describes Satan’s power attacking the visible, but unfaithful, congregation, not a single man. This is spiritual warfare during the short season of deception and desolation.

Third, the prince that shall come (Daniel 9:26) is not an end-time villain, but rather refers to Christ Himself, according to the context! The passage speaks of the people who would destroy the city and the sanctuary—that is, the Jewish people, His own covenant people, who rejected and destroyed Christ that brought judgment upon them by taking their kingdom representative, Matthew 21:43. In verse 27, this prince is the Messiah, who confirms the covenant with “many” (Elect). This is not some future political tyrant but a prophetic reference to God’s work through Christ among both Old and New Testament congregations.

Fourth, the man of sin in 2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 is not “one man,” but represents all those within the visible congregation who are unsealed and under the influence of Satan who sits to rule the church. They are the false prophets and Christs. They will deceive men, women, and even children—anyone who outwardly claims faith but is not sealed by God, Revelation 9:4-6, and force them to take the mark of the beast to signify that they are owned by Satan in order to buy and sell the lying signs and wonders that comes out of the mouths of the false prophts and christs. Like Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyers, etc.

In short, Scripture repeatedly draws a line between faithful and unfaithful people within the church, not between the Jews and one evil dictator. God’s restraining hand has held back deception since the Cross, allowing His church to grow. But in the end, when that restraint is removed, the unfaithful within the congregation will grow bolder, more corrupt, and openly hostile to truth—from within the church itself which eventually overcome and kill the Saints (Two Witnesses).

God never pointed to a single “end-time dictator” with five different names. Your chart completely ignores the rich prophetic symbolism and the spiritual dynamics that Scripture emphasizes.

This "one-man Antichrist" teaching is a man-made doctrine—a product of sensationalism and pop-prophecy about a single man, not sound exegesis. It's time to stop forcing Hollywood-style narratives into God’s Word and start taking seriously what the Bible actually reveals through Daniel, Paul, and John.

Selah.

(cc: @Wishit)

 

[Wish-it]

Of course, Douggg's interpretations are incorrect. Daniel 11 has NOTHING with history before the Cross, or Papal. It has everything to do with the New Testament congregation today, near the End!

Just a thought Tribulation, KoS more than likely Israel, rather than church, being the last battle and Dan 11.45ish. Same as Dan 2, iron v clay, Armgeddon, Zech 13, Ezek 38,39.The prophecies should fit together.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Just a thought Tribulation, KoS more than likely Israel, rather than church

KoS?

, being the last battle and Dan 11.45ish.

No, there will be no physical battle with a physical nation called Israel as you think in Daniel 11:45.

Dan 11:45

• And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

The planting of the tabernacles of his place implies a spiritual authority over God's kingdom, as God allowed him to do for a short season, when the man of sin sits in the temple of God. This is Satan's final deception—claiming to represent God. The phrase "between the seas" spiritually signifies being in the midst of the people, among major centers of influence, or in the midst of the nations. For example, if Satan is able to silence and overcome the truthful testimony of the Two Witnesses and make the kingdom of God (the Church) darker with false doctrines, dimming their light to the world, this explains why we see the world becoming more spiritually dark today. This is the spiritual battle of Armageddon.

Same as Dan 2, iron v clay

Do you even know what the iron and clay represent in Scripture?

, Armgeddon,

Do you think the Armageddon mentioned in the spiritual book of Revelation 16 as a physical war in the Middle East?

Really?

Zech 13

You mean Zechariah 14?

, Ezek 38,39.

Gog and Magog. Do you know exactly who the army of Gog and Magog is that comes against Christ's New Testament congregation?

The prophecies should fit together.

Not based on what you thought the Lord talked about these.

 

[Douggg]

Look how you insisted that the little horn is a "person". Based on what Scripture does God sees the Little Horns (or any horns) as a human figure other that power according to Scripture I quoted?!

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ah yes—here we go again. Quoting Wikipedia like it’s divine revelation as the interpreter of God's Word. Apparently, that's now the gold standard for interpreting prophecy? It’s almost comical watching Premillennialists and Preterists scramble to fit Antiochus IV into Daniel 11 as the “little horn.”


I’ve heard it all before—claims that the Little Horn is Antiochus IV, Julius Caesar, Vespasian, or whichever Roman ruler fits the flavor of the week. And then there’s the Historicist and Reformed camp insisting it’s the Papal dynasty, with names like Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes, and even Bruce N. Cameron, J.D., chiming in that it obviously points to Papal Rome.


Meanwhile, I’ll stick to the Spirit-led interpretation of Scripture rather than recycling man-made traditions and speculative theology like you do.


When I let Scripture interpret Scripture—as we’re supposed to—I see the “little horn” as symbolic, not some historical figure with power struggle drama. It represents power—specifically, limited power or reign for a short time. But of course, while you’re busy playing historical detective, I’ll just point out what God already said clearly:

Daniel 8:6

• "And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power."

Daniel 8:7

• "And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand."

Habbakuk 3:4

• "And his brightness was as the light; he had horns coming out of his hand: and there was the hiding of his power."

Revelation 17:12

• "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Horn signifying power, kings symbolizing their reign, which they will have near the end. Horns consistently symbolize power. And the word "little" means, well little! Do you see a pattern here? Ergo, Power for a little while, or a little power to reign. That may be unorthodox to you or to man, but it is orthodox in it conforming to the "established teaching" of God's word. Since the spirit Satan is "given" power as kings (to reign) for a little season when "he is loosed of God," he uses that time to gather the nations against the saints. This is near the end and supported by Revelation chapter 20! Nothing to do with Antiochus IV Epiphanes or Roman/Papal nonsense!

CC: @Wishit

LOL. Here we go again with you confusing spiritual discernment with needlessly spiritualizing scripture and denying historical events.

If you really want to interpret scripture with scripture then why not let Gabriel tell you what Daniel 8:6-7 means?

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.” 18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright. 19 And he said, “Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be. 20 The ram which you saw, having the two horns—they are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

So, in Daniel 8:6 the male goat that attacked the ram with two horns was the ancient kingdom of Greece and the two horns of the ram represented "the kings of Media and Persia". Do you deny that the ancient world empire/kingdom of Greece succeeded the ancient world empire/kingdom of Media-Persia? Why do you think you know better than Gabriel as to what Daniel 8:6-7 is about?

 

[TribulationSigns]

Daniel 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

Revelation 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Do you really understand who are the ten horns? Ten kings? Do you think GOd is talking about ten humans? Seriousily?

Revelation 17:12–14

• And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
• These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
• These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.”

First, we must understand that the Church is the visible representation of God’s kingdom on earth—not national Israel. When wicked false prophets, false christs, and all those within the congregation who are deceived by them rise up against the Church, they are making war against Christ Himself—the Lamb.


This is spiritual warfare, not physical. These ten kings and their armies will not be pointing literal guns or missiles toward the sky. Rather, their attack is against the camp of the saints, where the Two Witnesses are eventually silenced (killed), and the ten kings are spiritually devoured by the Word of God. This judgment comes by the fire from the mouths of the Two Witnesses.

Christ often identifies Himself with the Church. For instance, He is the Holy Temple, and believers are the living stones of that temple. He is the Israel of God, and we are Israel in Him—not the geopolitical nation of Israel. He also speaks of Himself in parables, saying, “For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in.” Here, He identifies with those whom the Church (the Two Witnesses) spiritually feeds and clothes through the Gospel. Selah!

Therefore, the “ten kings” who reign with the beast represent professing Christians who rise to power after Satan is loosed. These ten kings are part of the army Satan gathers—Gog and Magog within the Church, the camp of the saints. This is the final spiritual battle between the Spirit of God and the spirit of Satan therein! Not in the Middle East.

Revelation 19:19

• “And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.”

When Satan is released from his binding, he rallies these kings (false prophets/christs and professed christians) with great power to wage war against the saints (Elect). This is God's judgment on THEM, not the Elect, the Church for her unfaithfulness and takes place near the end of the world. Through them, Satan exercises great authority for a short period.

This short rule is symbolized in Daniel as the "little horn", which stands for a limited time of dominion. “Little” represents “short,” and “horn” represents “power.” Therefore, a “little horn” signifies a short period of satanic authority. That’s why Revelation 20 refers to Satan being loosed for “a little season.” All of these are speaking of the same event—the same kingdom, same horns (powers), and the same short time of rule. These kings will ultimately turn on and destroy Babylon, the unfaithful Church.

The beast represents the antichrist kingdom, powered by Satan. It’s not one individual, but a collective system made up of many people—men, women, and children. It is symbolized as a beast because of its carnal, irrational, and animalistic nature without reason or sanity, like we are witnessing in the world today! The seven heads of the beast symbolize the fullness or completeness of Satan’s authority through time. It signifies the beginning and end, the completeness.

Revelation 17:10

• “And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.”

At the time Revelation was written, five of those kings (or powers) had already fallen. For example, the power of Satan to deceive is broken. The sixth was present in John's day was Satan's head or authority present at the time of John wrote UNTIL....the seventh was yet to come—and would rule only a short space (again, a "little season") WITH power restored as its last rule. The eighth which is part of THIS seventh kingdom because seven is a symbolic number showing the completeness of this authority.

The ten kings are part of the final phase of Satan’s rule. When Satan is loosed for a little season, these kings—symbolizing false prophets and false christs—receive power from him with hatred, they turn against the whore, representing the unfaithful Church, and destroy her for what she once was. Talking about self-delusion that the church as become a house of spiritual insanity. She blames everyone but herself for the predicament she's in, and attempts to bring correction and righteousness to the world when in truth she is the one who needs correction. She is the one who is rebellious and on the path of death. This is God’s judgment for her unfaithfulness. All of this is describing the same event using different symbolic language: the great apostasy, the great tribulation, and the final abomination—all taking place during a short period before Christ returns.

 

[Exegesis]

I took the information in your post on Daniel 11:6-10 and inserted the characters into the kjv Daniel 11 verses. Color-coded characters from the south in blue, from the north in red. This does not replace your commentary on each verse of course.

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Daniel 11:6 And in the end of years they shall join themselves together; for the king's (Ptolemy II Philadelphus) daughter (Berenice) of the south shall come to the king of the north (Antiochus II Theos) to make an agreement: but she (Berenice) shall not retain the power of the arm; neither shall he stand, nor his arm: but she shall be given up, and they that brought her, and he that begat her, and he that strengthened her in these times.

Exegesis’s commentary: The daughter mentioned here is historically identified as Berenice, the daughter of Ptolemy II Philadelphus of Egypt. She was given in marriage to Antiochus II Theos of the Seleucid Empire to solidify the alliance. After the death of Ptolemy II, Antiochus II took back his former wife, Laodice, who then orchestrated the murder of Berenice and her son.

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Daniel 11:7 But out of a branch (Ptolemy III Euregetes) of her (Berenice's) roots shall one stand up in his estate, which shall come with an army, and shall enter into the fortress of the king (Seleucus II Callinius) of the north, and shall deal against them, and shall prevail:

Exegesis’s commentary: "Branch of her roots" refers to Ptolemy III Euergetes, a brother of Berenice. Ptolemy III Euergetes sought to avenge the death of Berenice. Ptolemy III Euergetes rose to power after the death of his father, Ptolemy II Philadelphus. The "king of the North" refers to the Seleucid Empire, specifically Seleucus II Callinicus, who ruled after Antiochus II. Ptolemy III's campaign was notably successful, as he managed to secure victories and expand his influence.

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Daniel 11:8 And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he (Ptolemy III Euregetes) shall continue more years than the king (Seleucus II Calimius) of the north.

Exegesis’s commentary: This passage is likely about Ptolemy III Euergetes of Egypt, who invaded the Seleucid Empire and took spoils back to Egypt.

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Daniel 11:9 So the king (Ptolemy III Euregetes) of the south shall come into his kingdom, and shall return into his own land.

Exegesis’s commentary: Assuming the king of the south is Ptolemy Euergetes, the verse completes the statements of the previous verse, and seems to describe the triumphant return of Euergetes into Egypt.

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Daniel 11:10 But his (Seleucus II Calimius’s) sons (Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great) shall be stirred up, and shall assemble a multitude of great forces: and one shall certainly come, and overflow, and pass through: then shall he return, and be stirred up, even to his fortress.

Exegesis’s commentary: "His sons" refers to the sons of the king of the North, likely Seleucus II Callinicus, whose sons were Seleucus III Ceraunus and Antiochus III the Great. The assembling of a great army signifies the preparation for significant military campaigns. Historically, Antiochus III, known for his military prowess, gathered substantial forces to reclaim territories lost to the Ptolemies. The imagery of advancing "like a flood" suggests an overwhelming and unstoppable military campaign. Antiochus III's campaigns were marked by rapid and decisive movements, reclaiming territories in the Levant. The "fortress" likely refers to a strategic stronghold or city, possibly in the region of Coele-Syria, which was a contested area between the Seleucids and Ptolemies.

Right on @Douggg . Does this mean you agree with the above?

 

[TribulationSigns]

LOL. Here we go again with you confusing spiritual discernment with needlessly spiritualizing scripture and denying historical events.

If you really want to interpret scripture with scripture then why not let Gabriel tell you what Daniel 8:6-7 means?

Daniel 8:16 And I heard a man’s voice between the banks of the Ulai, who called, and said, “Gabriel, make this man understand the vision.” 17 So he came near where I stood, and when he came I was afraid and fell on my face; but he said to me, “Understand, son of man, that the vision refers to the time of the end.” 18 Now, as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep with my face to the ground; but he touched me, and stood me upright. 19 And he said, “Look, I am making known to you what shall happen in the latter time of the indignation; for at the appointed time the end shall be. 20 The ram which you saw, having the two horns—they are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the male goat is the kingdom of Greece. The large horn that is between its eyes is the first king.

So, in Daniel 8:6 the male goat that attacked the ram with two horns was the ancient kingdom of Greece and the two horns of the ram represented "the kings of Media and Persia". Do you deny that the ancient world empire/kingdom of Greece succeeded the ancient world empire/kingdom of Media-Persia? Why do you think you know better than Gabriel as to what Daniel 8:6-7 is about?

Do you honestly think Gabriel was giving Daniel a geography or world history lesson? LOL. Ever heard of type and anti-type?


Let’s take a closer look at what Gabriel actually said:

Dan 8:16-25
(16) And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
(17) So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
(18) Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
(19) And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
(20) The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
(21) And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
(22) Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
(23) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
(25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Do you really understand what Gabriel said here? Probably not—because most people will immediately run to a world map or history book, thinking this is about ancient empires and political figures. But that completely misses the spiritual meaning of the vision!!! You need spiritual discernment.


The ram represents the Congregation of Israel—God’s people. The two horns of the ram, identified as the kings of Media and Persia, are symbolic of the Old and New Testament congregations. Remember, both horns were high, but the second one that came up later was higher. That’s the New Testament Church, which, through the power of the Holy Spirit after the Cross, after Old Testament Congregation, brought the Gospel to the world and produced far more fruit than Old Testament Israel could ever did.


The rough goat represents the kingdom of Satan, and the “first king” is symbolic of Satan’s dominion before the Cross. The great horn between the goat’s eyes speaks of his spiritual power that allowed him to push against the ram with overwhelming force—until the ram could no longer stand. But that horn was broken at the Cross. Christ broke Satan’s power. Yet, even after his defeat, Satan’s kingdom continues, but no longer has the power to deceive the nations.

But then comes the end—“when the transgressors are come to the full.” This is not talking about the unsaved world, atheists or other religions, but about professing Christians who turn away from truth and become offended by the faithful testimony of the saints. They are the ones—the fallen star of Revelation 9—who help loosen Satan from the bottomless pit. Through their deception, Satan becomes king over them.

And make no mistake—his power will be great, but not by his own power. So, where does that power come from?

Rev 17:12-13
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Satan receives the power from transgressors of the congregation who shares one mind with him. This is how they are deceived by their own lies! They give power to Satan to rule over them! With Satan, the transgressors will be able to overcome and silence the Two Witnesses' testimony with false peace and lying signs and wonders where people of the congregation who have not yet seal of God will NO LONGER be able to find salvation during this short season! It is because Christ has finished built and secured all of His Elect. And you know what happens in the end.

So it's up to you if you prefer to use history lessons to determine which modern physical nations and kings will fight in final physical war with the Lamb; that is your prerogative. But I see something that I only can be understood with wisdom of Christ on what is really going on INSIDE church spiritually - where the true battle of Armageddon is taking place all over the world.

Who is right? Well the Lord judges and I am comfortable with it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you honestly think Gabriel was giving Daniel a geography or world history lesson?

He was giving him a prophecy of what was going to happen. Ever heard of prophecy? The prophecy was given symbolically and Gabriel gave the interpretation of what it meant in reality. Hello? Why do you make things so difficult? Do you think you know better than Gabriel about what was going to happen? Do you know that God knows the future? Do you think God didn't know that there would be a Media-Persia world empire in the future from that time and that the Greek empire would overthrow the Media-Persia empire? Do you deny that is what happened historically?

LOL. Ever heard of type and anti-type?

LOL. Of course. Ever heard of applying that only when a situation calls for it, which is not the case here? Why can't you just accept how Gabriel explained the vision instead of having to come up with an alternative explanation for it?

Let’s take a closer look at what Gabriel actually said:

Dan 8:16-25
(16) And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
(17) So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
(18) Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright.
(19) And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
(20) The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
(21) And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
(22) Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation, but not in his power.
(23) And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.
(24) And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
(25) And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Do you really understand what Gabriel said here?

Yes, but you don't.

Probably not—because most people will immediately run to a world map or history book, thinking this is about ancient empires and political figures.

It is. It shows that God knows the future because He exists outside of time. But, I guess you don't think that God knew about the Media-Persian and Greek empires ahead of time? You think He just finds out about things as they happen like we do?

But that completely misses the spiritual meaning of the vision!!! You need spiritual discernment.

LOL!!! Again, you equate spiritual discernment with spiritualziing the text for no reason. That's not spiritual discernment. Spiritual discernment is used to determine if Gabriel was talking about the literal kings and kingdoms of Media and Persia and Greece or not. And he was. We should be celebrating how accurate the prophecy was, but instead you act as if there was never such thing as a Media-Persian empire or a Greek empire. LOL. You are the one who needs spiritual discernment.

The ram represents the Congregation of Israel—God’s people. The two horns of the ram, identified as the kings of Media and Persia, are symbolic of the Old and New Testament congregations.

LOL!!! Look at you, turning something simple into something convoluted. What a joke! This is utter lunacy. The original vision was symbolic, but not Gabriel's explanation of it! LOL!!! You are hilarious with the things you come up with in your imagination.

Remember, both horns were high, but the second one that came up later was higher.

No, that has to do with Persia being more powerful and coming into power after Media did.

That’s the New Testament Church, which, through the power of the Holy Spirit after the Cross, after Old Testament Congregation, brought the Gospel to the world and produced far more fruit than Old Testament Israel could ever did.

Good grief, man. Gabriel must be laughing hysterically at you trying to twist his explanation of Daniel's vision.

The rough goat represents the kingdom of Satan,

LOL. No, it represents the kingdom of Greece, as Gabriel said in Daniel 8:21. It's hilarious that you think you know better than Gabriel did. Gabriel had no reason to speak symbolically when describing the meaning of the symbolism in Daniel's vision. He was asked to clarify what the symbolism meant! He wouldn't have done that with even more symbolism! Hello?! LOL.

and the “first king” is symbolic of Satan’s dominion before the Cross. The great horn between the goat’s eyes speaks of his spiritual power that allowed him to push against the ram with overwhelming force—until the ram could no longer stand. But that horn was broken at the Cross. Christ broke Satan’s power. Yet, even after his defeat, Satan’s kingdom continues, but no longer has the power to deceive the nations.

But then comes the end—“when the transgressors are come to the full.” This is not talking about the unsaved world, atheists or other religions, but about professing Christians who turn away from truth and become offended by the faithful testimony of the saints. They are the ones—the fallen star of Revelation 9—who help loosen Satan from the bottomless pit. Through their deception, Satan becomes king over them.

And make no mistake—his power will be great, but not by his own power. So, where does that power come from?

Rev 17:12-13
(12) And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
(13) These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Satan receives the power from transgressors of the congregation who shares one mind with him. This is how they are deceived by their own lies! They give power to Satan to rule over them! With Satan, the transgressors will be able to overcome and silence the Two Witnesses' testimony with false peace and lying signs and wonders where people of the congregation who have not yet seal of God will NO LONGER be able to find salvation during this short season! It is because Christ has finished built and secured all of His Elect. And you know what happens in the end.

So it's up to you if you prefer to use history lessons to determine which modern physical nations and kings will fight in final physical war with the Lamb; that is your prerogative. But I see something that I only can be understood with wisdom of Christ on what is really going on INSIDE church spiritually - where the true battle of Armageddon is taking place all over the world.

Who is right? Well the Lord judges and I am comfortable with it.

I am right because I just let Gabriel tell me what Daniel's vision was about instead of allowing my imagination to run wild while acting as if everything has to have a spiritual meaning and acting as if everything in Daniel has to relate to everything in Revelation, which is not the case.

 

[Douggg]

Right on @Douggg . Does this mean you agree with the above?

I personally am not knowledgeable about what the characters did, but what you wrote seems to make sense.

 

[Douggg]

@Exegesis

I went to wikipedia and came up with this list of rulers of the Ptolemaic empire (Egyptian rulers). There are more than on this list, but I stopped with the one ruling at the time Antiochus IV Epiphanes, as the (historic) abomination of desolation of Daniel 11:31 was during Antiochus IV Epiphanes's reign.

• Ptolemy I Soter (303–282 BC)[17] married first Thaïs, then Artakama, then Eurydice, and finally Berenice I
• Ptolemy II Philadelphus (285–246 BC)[18] married Arsinoe I, then Arsinoe II; ruled jointly with Ptolemy Epigonos (267–259 BC)
• Ptolemy III Euergetes (246–221 BC) married Berenice II
• Ptolemy IV Philopator (221–203 BC) married Arsinoe III
• Ptolemy V Epiphanes (203–181 BC) married Cleopatra I Syra
• Ptolemy VI Philometor (181–164 BC

 

[TribulationSigns]

He was giving him a prophecy of what was going to happen. Ever heard of prophecy? The prophecy was given symbolically and Gabriel gave the interpretation of what it meant in reality. Hello? Why do you make things so difficult? Do you think you know better than Gabriel about what was going to happen?

Oh wow, thanks for that condescending crash course on what prophecy is—as if I needed reminding that God knows the future. Newsflash: I never said He didn’t. The problem is you think the only thing Gabriel was doing was pointing to a few empires and then calling it a day. “Hello?”—yes, I’m here, reading the same passage, but with actual discernment that sees beyond the elementary school version of “Media beats Babylon, Persia beats Media.” If you think that’s all the Holy Spirit intended us to see, you’ve missed the whole point of prophecy. Hello?

LOL. Of course. Ever heard of applying that only when a situation calls for it, which is not the case here?

Ah, I see. So now you get to declare when typology is allowed and when it’s banned. How cute. Apparently prophecy only needs types and shadows when it fits your interpretation. And we’re supposed to just “accept Gabriel’s explanation,” while ignoring that the entire passage begins and ends with symbolism and eschatological language. Let’s be honest: your interpretation works great—as long as we keep the Bible in a sandbox where no spiritual application is allowed.

Yes, but you don't.

Oh that’s rich—because nothing says “I understand Scripture” like parroting historical facts and calling it prophetic interpretation. You think quoting Gabriel means you’ve unlocked prophecy, but you’re just parroting labels without the spiritual context. Understanding isn’t repeating—it’s discerning. Try that sometime.

It is. It shows that God knows the future because He exists outside of time. But, I guess you don't think that God knew about the Media-Persian and Greek empires ahead of time? You think He just finds out about things as they happen like we do?

Oh give me a break. Of course, God knows the future—He wrote it, didn't He? But are you seriously telling me the sole purpose of this vision was just to show off God’s predictive powers? “Look! I can name empires!” How shallow. God’s prophecy always points to His redemptive plan, not trivia night. If you think Gabriel came just to show Daniel some ancient Risk game pieces moving around, you’re not reading the Bible—you’re reading headlines from 300 BC.

LOL!!! Again, you equate spiritual discernment with spiritualziing the text for no reason.

For no reason? Oh, other than the fact Gabriel said “the time of the end,” and the vision includes a king who exalts himself against the Prince of princes. But sure, go on thinking this is all about ancient military skirmishes. What’s hilarious is how you act like avoiding spiritual meaning is somehow “discernment.” You’re so busy fighting allegory that you can’t see the actual enemy in the text.

LOL!!! Look at you, turning something simple into something convoluted...

Right, because when Scripture uses beasts, horns, prophetic language, and time-of-the-end warnings—obviously it must be simple! What’s convoluted is how you think Gabriel abandoned symbolism halfway through and became a history teacher. The only imagination at work here is yours—imagining that prophecy has no deeper meaning beyond the surface. That’s not interpretation; that’s spoon-feeding theology for toddlers.

No, that has to do with Persia being more powerful and coming into power after Media did.

Oh wow. You solved it. “Persia was more powerful.” Case closed, prophecy explained, no need to read further. Never mind that the vision used rising horns to express a shift in authority. Nothing to see here—just another empire change. If you think that’s all it means, I have to wonder why you’re even bothering with prophecy at all.

Good grief, man. Gabriel must be laughing hysterically at you trying to twist his explanation of Daniel's vision.

Oh sure. Because when Jesus said the Kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation bringing forth fruits, clearly He meant Persia. It’s always a good argument when someone invokes angelic mockery instead of Scripture. But keep laughing—I’m fine with Gabriel laughing with me, not at those stuck in flesh-level understanding.

LOL. No, it represents the kingdom of Greece, as Gabriel said in Daniel 8:21.

Yes, thank you, Mr. Literal. I read the same verse. Gabriel said it represented Greece in the vision—but in a symbolic prophecy about the end-time! Are you seriously suggesting that all spiritual meaning vanishes the moment a nation’s name is mentioned? By that logic, Revelation’s “Babylon” must also be about Iraq. Good grief.

I am right because I just let Gabriel tell me what Daniel's vision was about instead of allowing my imagination to run wild while acting as if everything has to have a spiritual meaning and acting as if everything in Daniel has to relate to everything in Revelation, which is not the case.

Oh, congratulations—what a noble claim. You “just let Gabriel tell you” what the vision means, huh? How convenient. You’re so confident in your shallow interpretation that you mistake minimal effort for divine insight. You think ignoring spiritual meaning somehow makes you more faithful, when in reality it just makes you blind to what’s unfolding in the Church today.

And let me get this straight—you think it’s imagination to see consistent spiritual themes across Scripture? So Daniel speaks of beasts, horns, blasphemers, and “the time of the end,” and Revelation speaks of... beasts, horns, blasphemers, and “the time of the end”—and yet somehow you’ve convinced yourself these aren’t connected? Right. Because clearly God loves to repeat Himself with no meaning behind it.

Here’s the truth: you're not “letting Gabriel speak.” You’re letting your comfort zone speak. You’re reading prophecy with training wheels on, terrified of spiritual depth and allergic to patterns that threaten your neat little historical box.

So no—you're not right. You’re just satisfied with a surface-level summary of a supernatural vision. And that’s not “truth.” That’s just... safe.

 

[Randy Kluth]

"I believe in this context the "time of the end" refers to the end of a particular period of prophecy, such as the time of a particular reign. In this context, "time of the end" is the end of an era that was fulfilled some time in the ancient past, and is not an eschatological prophecy."
Also Dan 12.6,9,13 all allude to the very end, even to "Daniel's end of days, he will rise to receive his inheritance."

Apparently we agree that "time of the end" does not have to mean something eschatological? I think in Dan 12 we have two different references, the 1st to the eschatological "time of the end" and the 2nd to Antiochus 4. The 1290 days is different than the 1260 days given in Revelation in regard to the Antichrist. Looking at some of the commentaries, the 1290 days appear to identify more with Antiochus 4 than with the time of Antichrist, whose reign is said to be strictly 1260 days.

But I don't think there's any question that the 1st reference, Dan 12.7, is to the eschatological time of the end, when Antichrist reigns for a "time, times, and half a time"-- 3.5 years, or 1260 days.

 

[Exegesis]

I personally am not knowledgeable about what the characters did, but what you wrote seems to make sense.

One of the main goals for this thread was to see if the people on this website, that teach about the Abomination of Desolation, actually understand Daniel 11 enough to be qualified to do so.

The thread has turned out exactly as predicted. Not a single person here can correctly interpret, verse by verse, line by line, precept upon precept, what Daniel is trying to teach us. Yet, they act as if their interpretation of the Abomination of Desolation is without error.

It is astonishing the level of hubris some folks have here. There is hardly anything more pathetic than ignorance combined with arrogance.

If someone cannot prove their research, than it is not worth considering. Again, not a single person here has proven what they preach is Biblical.

 

[Exegesis]

@Exegesis
...Antiochus IV Epiphanes, as the (historic) abomination of desolation of Daniel 11:31 was during Antiochus IV Epiphanes's reign.

And yet neither you or anyone here can prove what you claim using Scripture. It is all just parroting what someone else said.

I am still having a go at it, and who knows, maybe I will fail. But at least I have enough sense not to teach something that I myself have not proven.