You have an active imagination and the voices you're hearing obviously aren't God or you wouldn't reduce argument to accusation. Shame on you.
Does God Discipline Us When We Sin?
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Which is why there are so many born again Christians in places without scripture? Your statements are all self justified. Good luck with that.
At the end of our current age an angel will preach the Eternal gospel from the midst of heaven, but the Revelation of God in Jesus Christ is through scripture by His choice.
So, why do you resist God if you know Him?
We talked about this earlier in another thread I think. There are tribes that worship idols and peoples of the earth that have never heard of the Messiah. These are the people that Jesus went to preach to in spirit prison. That they might be offered the good news of the gospel and delivered from prison.
And even if you don't believe that Jesus has the keys of hell and death to free people from Hell and Death. Then you must realize what the bible teaches about Baptism and Repentance. There is much involved in salvation. Believing in Jesus the Christ as redeemer, taking the sacrament, etc.
None of that do we have without the bible and it's teachings. So what happens to those peoples of the earth that didn't hear about this good news? Is it still part of salvation for them that died long ago never hearing the good word or receiving the Holy Spirit after confirmation of Baptism?
You make it sound like we need two things - God and the Bible. I'm telling you we need one thing - God.
My point is that we need one thing: God. We don't need two things: God and the Bible. The Bible is very helpful, but God can do the job without the Bible.
And I'm telling you that you will never know anything but the god of your imagination without scripture.
21 These things you have done, and I kept silent;
You thought that I was altogether like you;
But I will rebuke you,
And set them in order before your eyes. Psalm 50:21
And He most certainly will.
Matthew 4:4
But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ”
I would disagree with this. And I think most people would agree. Hearing the word from the bible daily steers us back to God and keeps us on the straight and narrow road to salvation. Is God going to do that for you when you can read and feast on the word for that? God will surely bless us with the Holy Spirit when we read the scriptures. And that is part of salvation.
amigo de christo
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QUESTION BOB MY DEAR DEAR FRIEND . HOW does one KNOW HE is learning FROM GOD and indeed does know GOD .
How many versions of another jesus are out there .
I mean the prosperity gospel evidently preaches another version of JESUS .
If i came to you and said I KNOW GOD , I KNOW JESUS , but you seen me on the news
SHOOTING up and blowing up buildings and killing folks . WOULD YOU not know something was wrong .
WHILE i was claiming i knew JESUS , GOD , even YOU BOB would have to know something is wrong .
SO , WHERE DO WE LEARN our version of JESUS or GOD FROM . THE INSPIRED WORD OF GOD .
I mean even you BOB , has to know that there are many hollering his name , yet doing evil and thus EVEN YOU BOB
know , wait a minute something has went wrong .
THE PROBLEM my dear friend , The very problem most dont realize is
That many are following another version of GOD , of JESUS . AND THEY DONT KNOW IT .
SO how do we KNOW we are following GOD . IS IT BY WHAT FEELS RIGHT .
NOPE . cause even the KKK thinks they are right and the god they hold to .
It aint by feelings . ITS BY EVERY WORD OF GOD my friend .
IF one wants to KNOW they follow JESUS , THEN LEARN YE ALL OF WHAT THE BIBLICAL ONE SAID .
WE BEING DUPED . WE ARE ALL BEING DUPED . BY men who know not GOD .
OPEN THY BIBLE . LEARN that GOD . LEARN HIS WAYS , learn HIS WAY .
READ and keep on reading . TEST and keep on testing what all men teach . WE dont live by our emotions
nor by what man thinks is right . LIVE BY EVERY WORD OF GOD and DO SO BY CHRIST THE WORD OF GOD .
LEARN that JESUS , LEARN and LOVE , EMBRACE and OBEY , Basking in HIS EVERY WORD .
TIME IS RUNNING out BOB . AND MANY ARE NOT GONNA make it .
MANY are not gonna make it . Lambs love TRUTH my friend . ONLY we better know what version of so called truth we follow .
I dont know about you my dear friend . BUT THE ONE TRUE GOD saved the worst when HE did save me
and HE PUT HIS LOVE into my heart . LOVE FOR HIM above all , HIS TRUTH , HIS WORDS and love for my neighbor as myself .
BOB , MANY are not gonna make in on the path they are currently on . RETURN TO THY BIBLE and ensure ITS GOD
its CHRIST we do follow . HURRY and i DONT want you to ever once look back . HURRY and do so fast . Cause no man knows
their last hour .
amigo de christo
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FEAST ON THAT BIBLE and DO SO DAILY . Devin i was once the worst of the worst . Now dont try and downplay that .
I was once worst of the worst . Not only will GOD bless us when we read and heed the scriptures , WHO DO YOU THINK even puts
that LOVE UPON OUR heart . THE bible is under attack in this age like no other .
But i bring a simple question to all . WHAT DID and DOES GOD DESIRE .
A PEOPLE WHO WOULD WORSHIP HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH .
HE puts the love of truth upon the hearts of the lambs . AND GUESS where we can find the truth . SCRIPTURES . You are right on that one my friend . but make sure we are not following what men are trying to tell us the bible says . cause that too has been very deadly to many as well .
How many folks do you hear that made the claim they BELIEVE in the truth of that bible , ONLY TO FIND OUT
OOPSY they dont seem to be following it very well . as they twist and add to or take from it , and say loudly
THUS SAYETH THE LORD , Learn our understanding for it comes from GOD .
WHEN In truth it has omitted , contradicted Some of things JESUS did teach . I tell us all , MANY are not gonna make it .
AND WHY . Was it because GOD desired the death of the world . OR was it because they rejected THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST .
I say we all better open our bibles and start fresh and anew and very , and i mean very , VERY VERY very AND VERY FAST .
MANY ARE NOT GONNA MAKE IT . ITS OUT OF GREAT LOVE I DO REMIND AND POINT TO CHRIST . FOR
THE LOVE OF GOD COMPELS ME AND BY THAT SAME LOVE I TOO NOW DESIRE NONE TO PERISH . THUS I DO WARN .
amigo de christo
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bob does not realize HOW GOD has chosen to save this world .
BY THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL . As paul once said .
EVEN cornelious who did much good , did so many wonderful and glorious prayers and gave much alms
Had to HEAR SOMETHING in order to be saved . What was it . THE GOSPEL .
And He had to hear it from a man . From peter . GOD has chosen how HE WOULD save the world .
BY the gospel . That all who do hear and believe WOULD be saved . GOD determined this . THUS
let no man try and sway us that the gospel no longer needs to be PREACHED nor BELIEVED IN .
I am making my final and last stand against the lies of men and this all inclusive religion of lies .
I am fully persauded and that by GOD that i will die long before i believe any other religoin can save one
ONLY BY BELIVING IN JESUS can one be saved and we better make sure its the biblical JESUS .
This has already cost me , but it will cost me much more in the days ahead .
But dont you worry nor sorrow for me , no matter how the world or the united religoins do hate me .
YOU just keep on praying that till my last breath , that i point to JESUS , to that gospel and to all things HE did teach or say
and later the apostels did . THIS Man wont sit at the table of false unity made by a harlot .
Rather i will correct , will preach Christ , will teach HIS sayings to the last and final breath . PEROID .
You overestimate your own. The Revelation of Jesus Christ through the body of scripture is God's Revelation, not that of man.
God could have made the sky pink and the oceans red. That isn't an argument for rebellion and disobedience.
But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” Matthew 4:4
What is it about this verse that you don't understand?
What gives you the right to call yourself Christian and deny Christ's word?
Taken
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Does God Discipline Us When We Sin?
OP ^
Presuming “us” / “we” in the OP means “Converted IN Christ”...
The question is, HOW CAN (“us/we”) SIN, While the Supreme Power of God IS; IN “us” ?
OP ^
Presuming “us” / “we” in the OP means “Converted IN Christ”...
The question is, HOW CAN (“us/we”) SIN, While the Supreme Power of God IS; IN “us” ?
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