I am not sure if this is the right place for this topic but it seems appropriate.One thing I have struggled with over time is the literalness of the 6 day creation account in Genesis. Even though I am still brand new to true faith in God, I am not new to the Genesis account.Anyway, after recently creating my new Youtube Christian channel, I was sent a link to some VERY enlightening video clips which make perfect sense to me as both a faithful Christian and a person qualified and fascinated by the sciences, particularly quantum field theory, big bang theory, the theory of relativity and other areas.What would normally be pretty heavy going is made somewhat easier to understand in this series of video clips. Please watch these with an open mind. They may just help you comprehend how 6 literal 24 hour days can be the same thing as almost 16 billion years!!!Dr.Gerald Schroeder - Genesis & The Big Bang Theory
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Well I dont know that I buy this particular theroy but the Bible actually once you get your head past what you were taught in Sunday school and listening to men in fact never tells us the earth is 6000 years old Men say it is God never does. We can time only this age from the Time of Adam all before that is a matter of understanding God not listening to Men. We are told there are three World ages the first was destroyed and the earth became void and without form ...The current and second age statrs with Gen 1:3 3And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day. How long passed between the first and second age is unknown but any reasonable person that understands knowledge has increased knows the earth is very old at least Millions of years this first earth age is when dinosauras lived here is a study showing scriptures of this first earth age And I would not be surprised at all to think God started the earth with a big banghttp://www.christianityboard.com/first-earth-age-t9140.htmlthree world ages studyhttp://www.christianityboard.com/earth-age...-study-t79.html
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I hate to sound like a broken record, but the way I judge anyone who writes a book about Genesis is to see what they say about the Abrahamic Covenants, and how they were passed onto Isaac and then Jacob. Do they understand the scepter promises to Judah from the birthright blessings to Joseph? If any theologian makes the birthright sound like no more than a super-duper crackerjack blessing without elaborating on it properly, then they don't know what they are talking about. The birthright is the core teaching of the bible, but amazingly not too many people even know what it is.Here is a taste of it regarding a thread I started awhile back. Someone who knows what they are talking about will elaborate on Genesis the way I did. >>> http://www.christianityboard.com/abrahamic...751.html?t=7751I have another similar thread started about the birthright, but I brought this one to light because it demonstrates how it is typically challenged and watered it down to fit their notions. Probably the most common complaint is the likes of me is "spiritually blind" and says things that aren't in scripture because they are too thick-headed to see plain language in the scripture and twist it to mean what they want. Actually, I see BOTH physical and spiritual fulfillments and I give examples of both, but the issue is not that I don't see the spiritual component, but the real issue is that the idea of Abraham having many physical nations and kings above and beyond a small oppressed people called the Jews seems offensive to them. Probably that's because 1) they have to change their theology when they see they are wrong 2) the idea that God works in this world instead of some ethereal, esoteric world where they can keep Him locked away seems threatening to them. In short, their "God" is too small.The whole idea behind Christianity is not to "die and go to heaven" but rather God setting up his Kingdom here on this earth, and not just in one's hearts, either, but a real and righteous government.
Tim, I am not quite sure how your post relates to the expansion of space-time and how it matches up with the timeline of the Genesis account of the first six days.I was posting more on that perspective rather than post 7th day scripture.Christina, it is my personal belief that all that God says about pre Adam in Genesis matches perfectly with the possibility of the big bang and space-time expansion being accurate.
Please understand I am not at all meaning to be argumentative or persuasive here but this awareness did light a very BIG light bulb for me and answers many of my questions. If this turns out to be inaccurate information, no doubt God will make me clearly aware of it just as He did with my mistaken belief of Christmas!!
Is Genesis 1:3-31 a literal 6 days creation? Or is it 6 God Days creation?6 Days 1 Days Rested.1 literal day is 24 hours. 1 minute = 60 seconds. 1 hour = 60 minutes. 5 hours = 300 minutes20 hours = 1200 minutes24 hours (1 day) = 1440 minutes = 86,400 seconds...24 hours x 6 days = 144 hours of creation (8,640 minutes = 518,400 seconds) and 24 hour rest (1,440 minutes = 86,400 seconds)ORII Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.1 Day = 1000 years. There are 360 days per year... so...360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day)...360,000 x 6 = 2,160,000 days (6 God day)2,160,000 days = 24 hours = 51,840,000 hours51,840,000 hours x 60 minutes = 3,110,400,000 minutes3,110,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 186,624,000,000 seconds (6 God Days of Creation)And360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day of Rest) (7th Day = Genesis 2:1-2)
Well I have heard it all I dont get offened about it I happen to think the scripture says what it says hebrew helped me see this with the understanding I have ..I've no futher questions God has given me all the answers I need about this. I dont care much what men offer us for explanation. However sense its not a matter of anyones salvation how one understands this If one has another view or if they insist that the earth is 6000 years old makes little difference to me.each to his own As far as Im concerned God says one thing
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....... However sense its not a matter of anyones salvation how one understands this If one has another view or if they insist that the earth is 6000 years old makes little difference to me.each to his own As far as Im concerned God says one thing
Agreed on all those points Christina
I do not believe the Earth is 6000 years old unless you are talking about time from the perspective of the start of creation rather than today
....... However sense its not a matter of anyones salvation how one understands this If one has another view or if they insist that the earth is 6000 years old makes little difference to me.each to his own As far as Im concerned God says one thing
Agreed on all those points Christina
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........II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.....
It is my personal belief that this is stating that God has a totally different comprehension of time than we do because He CREATED time when he created the universe. This, to me, is like Jesus using parables to describe a concept the early Disciples and Apostles found difficult to comprehend.
1 Day = 1000 years. There are 360 days per year... so...360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day)...360,000 x 6 = 2,160,000 days (6 God day)2,160,000 days = 24 hours = 51,840,000 hours51,840,000 hours x 60 minutes = 3,110,400,000 minutes3,110,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 186,624,000,000 seconds (6 God Days of Creation)And360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day of Rest) (7th Day = Genesis 2:1-2)
That is an interesting perspective Jordan. To be pedantic, I think this "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)" should read "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God YEAR)". If one God day = 1000 years then 360 God days = 1 God year.That would put the Earth at 13,000 years old in our years.
........II Peter 3:8 - But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.....
It is my personal belief that this is stating that God has a totally different comprehension of time than we do because He CREATED time when he created the universe. This, to me, is like Jesus using parables to describe a concept the early Disciples and Apostles found difficult to comprehend.
1 Day = 1000 years. There are 360 days per year... so...360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day)...360,000 x 6 = 2,160,000 days (6 God day)2,160,000 days = 24 hours = 51,840,000 hours51,840,000 hours x 60 minutes = 3,110,400,000 minutes3,110,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 186,624,000,000 seconds (6 God Days of Creation)And360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)360,000 days = 24 hours = 8,640,000 hours8,640,000 hours x 60 minutes = 518,400,000 minutes518,400,000 minutes x 60 seconds = 31,104,000,000 seconds (1 God day of Rest) (7th Day = Genesis 2:1-2)
That is an interesting perspective Jordan. To be pedantic, I think this "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)" should read "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God YEAR)". If one God day = 1000 years then 360 God days = 1 God year.That would put the Earth at 13,000 years old in our years.
(AusDisciple;66476)
It is my personal belief that this is stating that God has a totally different comprehension of time than we do because He CREATED time when he created the universe. This, to me, is like Jesus using parables to describe a concept the early Disciples and Apostles found difficult to comprehend.That is an interesting perspective Jordan. To be pedantic, I think this "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)" should read "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God YEAR)". If one God day = 1000 years then 360 God days = 1 God year.That would put the Earth at 13,000 years old in our years.
13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
It is my personal belief that this is stating that God has a totally different comprehension of time than we do because He CREATED time when he created the universe. This, to me, is like Jesus using parables to describe a concept the early Disciples and Apostles found difficult to comprehend.That is an interesting perspective Jordan. To be pedantic, I think this "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God Day)" should read "360 days x 1,000 years = 360,000 days (1 God YEAR)". If one God day = 1000 years then 360 God days = 1 God year.That would put the Earth at 13,000 years old in our years.
13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
(AusDisciple;66474)
Agreed on all those points Christina
I do not believe the Earth is 6000 years old unless you are talking about time from the perspective of the start of creation rather than today
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
Agreed on all those points Christina
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
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I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
Probably, almost 14,000. The 14th day will be the Lord's Day
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
Probably, almost 14,000. The 14th day will be the Lord's Day
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13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
Hmmmm.... if 1000 human years = 1 God day then 6 + 1 God days = 6000 + 1000 human years which is 7000 human years to Adam + 6000 years from then to now = 13,000 years
(Christina;66478)
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Christina. As you say though, makes no difference to our salvation
13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
Hmmmm.... if 1000 human years = 1 God day then 6 + 1 God days = 6000 + 1000 human years which is 7000 human years to Adam + 6000 years from then to now = 13,000 years
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Christina. As you say though, makes no difference to our salvation
(AusDisciple;66480)
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13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
Hmmmm.... if 1000 human years = 1 God day then 6 + 1 God days = 6000 + 1000 human years which is 7000 human years to Adam + 6000 years from then to now = 13,000 years
(Christina;66478)
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Christina. As you say though, makes no difference to our salvation
Well it's part of learning the key to God's plan...
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13,000 years? that too short, becauses there is no exact time for Genesis 1:1, so we are left for imaginations.And no it's not a God year, I triple checked it360 x 1 year = 360 days360 x 2 years = 720 days360 x 3 years = 1,080 daysBy the time you reach 1,000 years, you get 360,000 human days in 1,000 years which makes up 1 God day. So no, the number is very large as I point it out. Even for a God year.
Hmmmm.... if 1000 human years = 1 God day then 6 + 1 God days = 6000 + 1000 human years which is 7000 human years to Adam + 6000 years from then to now = 13,000 years
I believe the creation week was 7000 years long not 7 /24 hour days each day with God is 1000 years long and the sun and moon were not even created on the first day so there was no 24 hour day the 2 Peter confirms this as does the common understanding by the Jews its called an Idiom (figure of speech)3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. (to man)This age is about 13,000 years old. The earth is millions of years old.
I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one Christina. As you say though, makes no difference to our salvation
(Christina;66481)
Thats fine by me Aus
We couldn't agree on absolutely everything now could we? God doesn't want robots
God bless you sister.(Jordan;66482)
Well it's part of learning the key to God's plan...
Too true. God reveals things to each of us in our own way as our understanding grows and we all grow in different directions just like the branches of a vine.God bless you too my friend.
Thats fine by me Aus
We couldn't agree on absolutely everything now could we? God doesn't want robots
Well it's part of learning the key to God's plan...
Too true. God reveals things to each of us in our own way as our understanding grows and we all grow in different directions just like the branches of a vine.God bless you too my friend.
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Tim, I am not quite sure how your post relates to the expansion of space-time and how it matches up with the timeline of the Genesis account of the first six days.I was posting more on that perspective rather than post 7th day scripture.Christina, it is my personal belief that all that God says about pre Adam in Genesis matches perfectly with the possibility of the big bang and space-time expansion being accurate.
Please understand I am not at all meaning to be argumentative or persuasive here but this awareness did light a very BIG light bulb for me and answers many of my questions. If this turns out to be inaccurate information, no doubt God will make me clearly aware of it just as He did with my mistaken belief of Christmas!!
It doesn't directly. I was extrapolating out to later incidents of Genesis. However, if the person does not understand the more critical aspects of theology, then I'm not sure God revealed to them anything about the start, either. In this case, it's a justified ad hominem argument (basing the argument on his authority rather than against his character) when usually it does not stand up to logic. I may be wrong, of course, because sometimes God does reveal one thing to a person but not another and one has to judge whether or not this is applicable. In addition, if the author just dealt with creation, then I guess it's hard to say what they believe about the rest of the book of Genesis.
Tim, I am not quite sure how your post relates to the expansion of space-time and how it matches up with the timeline of the Genesis account of the first six days.I was posting more on that perspective rather than post 7th day scripture.Christina, it is my personal belief that all that God says about pre Adam in Genesis matches perfectly with the possibility of the big bang and space-time expansion being accurate.
It doesn't directly. I was extrapolating out to later incidents of Genesis. However, if the person does not understand the more critical aspects of theology, then I'm not sure God revealed to them anything about the start, either. In this case, it's a justified ad hominem argument (basing the argument on his authority rather than against his character) when usually it does not stand up to logic. I may be wrong, of course, because sometimes God does reveal one thing to a person but not another and one has to judge whether or not this is applicable. In addition, if the author just dealt with creation, then I guess it's hard to say what they believe about the rest of the book of Genesis.
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........ In addition, if the author just dealt with creation, then I guess it's hard to say what they believe about the rest of the book of Genesis.
Which is pretty much the case with these videos. While I cannot speak for anyone else, it will take a VERY convincing and detailed argument against the presentations in these videos to convince me otherwise now.This just makes far too much sense to me. The timelines presented are just TOO close and detailed to be co-incidental and the science is very sound. Also, the fact that I specifically sought out my own personal answers to this in the form of prayer and this is what was presented in such a powerful way (to me anyway) and so quickly, speaks pretty clearly to me.I guess you are by now very familiar with that inner knowing and joy which I respectfully call a 'thank-you' moment when the Holy Spirit is speaking directly to you.... well, this was and is a BIG thank-you moment for me!
........ In addition, if the author just dealt with creation, then I guess it's hard to say what they believe about the rest of the book of Genesis.
Which is pretty much the case with these videos. While I cannot speak for anyone else, it will take a VERY convincing and detailed argument against the presentations in these videos to convince me otherwise now.This just makes far too much sense to me. The timelines presented are just TOO close and detailed to be co-incidental and the science is very sound. Also, the fact that I specifically sought out my own personal answers to this in the form of prayer and this is what was presented in such a powerful way (to me anyway) and so quickly, speaks pretty clearly to me.I guess you are by now very familiar with that inner knowing and joy which I respectfully call a 'thank-you' moment when the Holy Spirit is speaking directly to you.... well, this was and is a BIG thank-you moment for me!
The fun thing about this topic is we can explore many different theroys and God IS NOT going to say My child you were a good child you loved me with all your heart, read my Words to you, walked in my path an did many good works...but you didnt have the age of earth right... So no reward for you ...What a blessing for us
........However we must keep in mind only one of these ideas is right..
I of course believe its mine as I believe scripture,science, and orginal language used proves it beyond doubt ..it also absoutly rules out evoultion which is important point to make here .. if the scripture is understood as written ..not as interpted by most men its not that complicated .. only men tend to make it complicated..
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The fun thing about this topic is we can explore many different theroys and God IS NOT going to say My child you were a good child you loved me with all your heart, read my Words to you, walked in my path an did many good works...but you didnt have the age of earth right... So no reward for you ...What a blessing for us
Agreed
........However we must keep in mind only one of these ideas is right..
I of course believe its mine as I believe scripture,science, and orginal language used proves it beyond doubt ..it also absoutly rules out evoultion which is important point to make here .. if the scripture is understood as written ..not as interpted by most men its not that complicated .. only men tend to make it complicated..
Funny thing is, I agree with you on everything there even if the science, interpretation of scripture and outcome are different!! That hardly seems possible but it is true!I also agree with you on the evolution thing too.
The fun thing about this topic is we can explore many different theroys and God IS NOT going to say My child you were a good child you loved me with all your heart, read my Words to you, walked in my path an did many good works...but you didnt have the age of earth right... So no reward for you ...What a blessing for us
Agreed
........However we must keep in mind only one of these ideas is right..
Funny thing is, I agree with you on everything there even if the science, interpretation of scripture and outcome are different!! That hardly seems possible but it is true!I also agree with you on the evolution thing too.
(AusDisciple;66531)
Agreed
Funny thing is, I agree with you on everything there even if the science, interpretation of scripture and outcome are different!! That hardly seems possible but it is true!I also agree with you on the evolution thing too.
And I can agree your science may be correct but its the timing of it that I have some problem with If it is correct it happened in Gen1:1 an unsaid period of time then passes I believe it to millions of years as an armature geologist alone I can never believe the earth is only 6000 years old.. and frankly you would have to call all earth,time and space sciene all wrong to believe a 6000 year old earth. Lets face facts we can even see the Light from distant stars older then 6000 years. Sense I am a logical person I can never say ALL science is All Wrong when Gods Word never says any such thing .... During this time there was a first earth age .. FLesh man did not exist in this age .. We exsisied in our spirit bodies that we will return to again at Christs return ... However animals and dinosaurs did exist.. This is where God fore knew us from the first earth age ... This is when Satan first rebelled and many followed him in his rebellion ... Then the earth Became void and without form Gen1:2 ... Our present earth Age begins in Gen 1:3 2 Peter 3:5-9- best tells us in the English this fact 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; Notice here in this verse we are talking heaven and earth this is not Noahs flood as the flood was never hid from anybody all civilizations have a flood story, it also had nothing to do with the heavens, This is the first earth age and was destroted by water, Noahs flood never made the heavens and earth perish ..Noahs flood was to destroy the sinful people and as we know from the olive branch brought back to Noah all things on earth did not perish 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. The first earth age was done cleansed perished by water,then became void and without form 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] This is our Age now and this earth age will melt with fire (and there will be a New Heaven and knew earth) There is nothing new under the sun what was before will be again.. 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. This is a hebrew idiom (figue of speech) it was very common for the Jews to use this term It does not mean forever and ever as some men say and there is absoulty no reason to assume this except men did not understand this until knowledge increased God means exactly what he says .. Only men assume he is wrong .. He is telling us that outside our earth time ..in heaven, Gods time,.. he has only been gone 6 days so he is not tarrying as some men say .. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. (wycliff)I use this translation because it closet to Greek in the EnglishTo understand Idioms see linkhttp://www.christianityboard.com/parables-...ioms-t7648.htmlA explanation of the first earth age water canopy http://www.thetruthishere.com/canopy.html
Agreed
And I can agree your science may be correct but its the timing of it that I have some problem with If it is correct it happened in Gen1:1 an unsaid period of time then passes I believe it to millions of years as an armature geologist alone I can never believe the earth is only 6000 years old.. and frankly you would have to call all earth,time and space sciene all wrong to believe a 6000 year old earth. Lets face facts we can even see the Light from distant stars older then 6000 years. Sense I am a logical person I can never say ALL science is All Wrong when Gods Word never says any such thing .... During this time there was a first earth age .. FLesh man did not exist in this age .. We exsisied in our spirit bodies that we will return to again at Christs return ... However animals and dinosaurs did exist.. This is where God fore knew us from the first earth age ... This is when Satan first rebelled and many followed him in his rebellion ... Then the earth Became void and without form Gen1:2 ... Our present earth Age begins in Gen 1:3 2 Peter 3:5-9- best tells us in the English this fact 5 But it is hid from them willing this thing, that heavens were before, and the earth of water was standing by water, by God's word [that heavens were first, and the earth of water and by water being, or standing, together by God's word]; Notice here in this verse we are talking heaven and earth this is not Noahs flood as the flood was never hid from anybody all civilizations have a flood story, it also had nothing to do with the heavens, This is the first earth age and was destroted by water, Noahs flood never made the heavens and earth perish ..Noahs flood was to destroy the sinful people and as we know from the olive branch brought back to Noah all things on earth did not perish 6 by which [things] that same world cleansed, then by water perished. The first earth age was done cleansed perished by water,then became void and without form 7 But the heavens that now be, and the earth, be kept by the same word, and be reserved to fire into the day of doom and perdition of wicked men. [Forsooth the heavens that now be, and the earth, by the same word put again, be kept to fire into the day of doom and perdition of unpious men.] This is our Age now and this earth age will melt with fire (and there will be a New Heaven and knew earth) There is nothing new under the sun what was before will be again.. 8 But, ye most dear, this one thing be not hid to you [be not unknown], that one day with God is as a thousand years, and a thousand years be as one day [and a thousand years as one day]. This is a hebrew idiom (figue of speech) it was very common for the Jews to use this term It does not mean forever and ever as some men say and there is absoulty no reason to assume this except men did not understand this until knowledge increased God means exactly what he says .. Only men assume he is wrong .. He is telling us that outside our earth time ..in heaven, Gods time,.. he has only been gone 6 days so he is not tarrying as some men say .. 9 The Lord tarrieth not his promise, as some [men] guess, but he doeth patiently for you, and will not that any man perish [not willing any to perish], but that all turn again to penance. (wycliff)I use this translation because it closet to Greek in the EnglishTo understand Idioms see linkhttp://www.christianityboard.com/parables-...ioms-t7648.htmlA explanation of the first earth age water canopy http://www.thetruthishere.com/canopy.html
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