Spiritual Israelite
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Recognizing symbolism in the book of Revelation rather than trying to take everything in that highly symbolic book literally is not a case of changing the book of Revelation.
SETTLING THE FALSE THEORY OF REPLACEMENT THEOLOGY
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Your appeal to the blasphemous talmud is telling. Jesus denounced it and the antichrist pharisees who promulgated it:
Matthew 15
6 ...Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
But the Pharisees were semites. So according to your illogic, Jesus was antisemitic, because He denounced the semitic Pharisees.
I had previously asked if you knew the difference between antisemitic and antitalmudic.
You've demonstrated your answer to that.
Go peddle your nonsense to those of ignorance akin to your own.
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rebuilder 454
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Great dodge sir!Citing inspired Scripture is a waste of sentences?
What other wisdom do you have for us today?
That side stepping will work in your circles for sure!
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SMH.Your appeal to the blasphemous talmud is telling. Jesus denounced it and the antichrist pharisees who promulgated it:
Matthew 15
6 ...Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
But the Pharisees were semites. So according to your illogic, Jesus was antisemitic, because He denounced the semitic Pharisees.
I had previously asked if you knew the difference between antisemitic and antitalmudic.
You've demonstrated your answer to that.
Go peddle your nonsense to those of ignorance akin to your own.
Nothing in your corrupt view of me is true.
I asked you a couple of questions you could not answer.
So now your trolling me is your "go to"
The talmud is your obsession, not mine.
I could care less how you spin it or frame it.
Label it false...i don't care
Label it inspired...I don't care.
Play with it, obsess over it....I don't care.
Has nothing to do with me.
Do you like poodles or German shepherds ?
(Just as goofy of a question.)
You can't stand the Jews or the idea of them existing huh?
Never mind.
You can not engage in debate anyway.
Dispens care about nothing but their own abominable desecrations of Scripture.
They elevate and worship talmudic antichrists above Christ Himself.
They contort God into a racist.
Dispens ally themselves with the talmudic antichrists of that day, and of this day.
They are gladly welcomed.
But Jesus denounced the talmudic antichrists in no uncertain terms.
Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.
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Spiritual Israelite
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You have no ability to make a coherent argument, no ability to debate, and no ability to discuss scripture like an adult. You also do nothing but slander others by saying they "can't stand the Jews" when that is a flat out lie. You have nothing to offer to this forum.
stevesonthebay
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Yes I understood how 'Replacement Theology' was explained. I have heard this in a few examples where it seems the Isrealites were cut out of the picture and superceded. Such as some say that Moses laws no longer apply and are superceded by Christ.
Or even the form of worship. The Christian church still took on Jewish forms of worship up to the 4th century. Basically the Mass is an evolution of the Temple worship.
I don't think Christ churchs replaces Gods people. Christ church is all the above. Is both the OT patriarchs and laws and even sacrifices for sin. That were made and paid in full by Christs sacrifice. This would not make sense without the connection to the OT and the prophesies.
Paul also says that the Gentiles were grafted on to the Jews. I think this is a better analogy. Part of the same ongoing relationship that was promised in the beginning and now being fullfilled to all nations in Christ.
Gods chosen people and the patriarchs and prophets are not seperate to Christs church. Paul refers to Abraham as the gentiles father as well. Inherited through Christ. That traces back to Abrahams sacrifice of his only son. It cannot be seperated in so many ways.
It is like being grafted on. Grafted into the same Kingdom of God. But I do think there will be great men like Abraham and Moses and the great men and women of Gods people who went through the wilderness and established the promise land.
I think they will be destinguished in some way. Not as seperate but as holy humans who led the way. Like I would imagine the apostles would be destinguished in some way.
Not so sure of that, if you're are going to start comparing the Christian Church with Judaism, which the two are polar opposites. Judaism, what Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion", represents the traditions of men when the "house of Judah" went captive to Babylon by king Nebuchadnezzar. That is who the original JEWS were, NOT the ten northern tribes of the "house of Israel" who did not use that title of Jew that comes from the sole tribe Judah.
Well, there it is. You just did it, wrongly compared Christ's Church with Judaism.
Again, Judaism represents 'corruptness' which the THREE-TRIBE "house of Judah" went into during their Babylon captivity by Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon. You do... understand 1 Kings 11 through 2 Kings 17 that the ten northern tribe "house of Israel" was not part of that Babylon captivity, right? It sounds like you are not familiar with that part of Bible history about the children of Israel, which is one of the main subjects of this very Thread.
That point I have covered also, especially starting with the Promise by Faith first given to Abraham, which is about The Gospel of Jesus Christ (Galatians 3). The Promise by Faith was always first, before the law was given. Yet only a small remnant of Israel carried forth that Gospel down from Abraham to Christ Jesus, and that is what the majority of Jews fail to do, still being blinded by the "spirit of slumber" God put upon the majority of the Jews.
Absolutely... NOT!
Paul says in Romans 11:16-21 that the believing Gentiles are graffed into the ROOT, not into the natural branches (Israel).
(And once again, you are wrongly applying the title of JEW to all... Israelites, when that idea is not Biblical nor historical. That title of 'Jew' comes from the sole tribe of Judah the Jewish historian Josephus said, and it was used by the 3-tribe "kingdom of Judah" that went captive to Babylon with a small remnant returning to Jerusalem.)
"house of Judah", or "kingdom of Judah" under Rehoboam, of the tribe of Judah of the house of David = tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi.
"house of Israel", or "kingdom of Israel" under Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim at Samaria = the ten northern tribes of Israel, the majority of Israelites.
If you are not willing to recognize the above Biblical facts, then your post is just a waste of time.
stevesonthebay
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Sorry, I was speaking more along political ideas that have come into religion. Into Christian and Jewish beliefs. Along the lines of identity politics where each side sees the other group as different and a threat as to who holds the truth.
But not only Christians. Muslims as well. The extreme being the idea that Muslims are the true people of the land of Isreal. An extreme form of replacement theory. Which also happens between the Christian and Jewish groups.
I understand the destinction and that in Christ Christians (gentiles) are inherited into Gods family and Kingdom and Juduism (Jews) as a religion and part of Gods plan that all will have a chance to be saved.
You are misunderstanding what I meant. I am talking about how the Jewish worship evolved into the Christian worship. The criticism of the Christians around the 3rd and 4th century for worshipping in synagogues was to tell them to move on and worship in churches which destinguished Christians from the Jews.
But how this got to such a situation was because the Jewish and Christian worship evolved from each other and had the same form of worship. The same alter position with the High priest/priest. The other priests around them. The sacrifice of animals becoming the sacrifice of Christ and ourselves at the alter.
It is not as if Christian worship came from Islam or paga worship forms. Though sacrifice has been in many pagan religions.
Rather than Christ was the fullfillment of the Hebrew worship and that this was needed and gave meaning and context to Christs sacrifice. Without it there is no Christ in the same way. Just another pagan sacrifice.
So both aspects are needed. One came from the other and is the fullfillment of the other. Neither replaces each other as far as the whole. But spiritually Christ, in Christ is the fullfillment.
Yes, if I was a Jew I would be celebrating that Abraham their ancestor had brought about faith which led to Christ. It would make them humble that such a thing could happen to them. Then they would be giving honor to God and not themselves.
OK into the roots. That means Isreal is part of those roots. The seed came from Isreal as far as initiating the line that introduced God and then made the covenant.
Yes its so confusing today with so many conflations of Jews. This is the public political meaning that anyone who is from Isreal is a Jew.
No I am learning. Thankyou.
Now, you really got that right.
Wait a minute. Judaism is not part of God's Plan.
That's what I was trying tell you, that when the 3-tribe "house of Judah" went captive to Babylon, that is when corruption set in. They started using Aramaic instead of Hebrew, and even the original Hebrew alphabet characters changed to block letter type. And that's where the Jew's Babylonian Talmud originated during that Babylon captivity, which is not God's Word, but a bunch of Jewish sage writings loosely based on Torah, with many traditions completely foreign to The Word of God. That is also when the elders of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi were chief in violating God's commandment to not take wives of the Canaanites (Ezra 9). Thus what Apostle Paul called "the Jew's religion", i.e., Judaism, is almost totally foreign to what God originally gave Israel through Moses.
It did not. So I don't know why you keep 'trying'... to claim that.
The old covenant was NOT Judaism. Haven't you recognized the origin of that word 'Judea-ism' yet?? As I said before per Bible history, that EXCLUDED the northern ten tribes of Israel. The ten tribes had already been taken captive by the kings of Assyria when the 3 tribe "house of Judah" went captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. The ten tribes had been gone for about a hundred and twenty years out of the land.
Obviously, you are not going to listen, so I see no reason to continue this.
stevesonthebay
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Sorry I didn't explain myself well. I mean before all that happened. Though the Jews also went atray a number of times and then came back to God ie (the Golden Calf) ect.
I mean that up until around the second Temple the Jews were still part of Gods plan. It makes you wonder what happened to the holy line that led to Christ. I am not up on all the history on this. I know the Maccabee uprising is associated during this time.
Nevertheless Jadaism led to the period of Messianic prophesies and beliefs of a coming Messiah. This rose up within Judaism. So this was still part of Gods plan I think. Though all Jewish sects apart from the Jesus followers were wrong. It was still a Jewish religion. Even up until the Gentiles became more dominant.
Even though Christ had fullfilled the Jewish way of worship and all Jews should have followed Christ in recognising the true Messiah as per their own prophesies. Judaism itself was prophesing Christ and this should have been the true way they evolved their religion.
In that sense the Jews and Judaism has been a part of Gods plan. You could say that Christ transformed Judaism into a new religion and belief. But technically it should be part of the same religion that evolved into a new expression.
So I am wondering whether in the end this will be the case. That finally the Jews as a religion or at least a growing number as we come closer to the end. Where they finally incorporate Christ as the Messiah.
But then I have also heard that the Temple will be rebuilt and the ancient Jewish worship of sacrifice will come back. Which will actually continue the anti Christ worship.
I think its just a difference in what constitutes Judaism. I understand what you mean. That Judaism was finished. That it changed when in exile to something beyond what had happened with the patriarchs.
I am understanding that the prophesies that come from the Hebrew prophets are about Christ as part of their religion. Originally the Jews were following the line that led to Christ and then they evolved sects that defied this. Even to the point of executing their own Messiah. Thats why Jesus was so sad about His own people rejecting Him.
But I understand in the traditional sense of Judaism and how it has evolved and changed.
Let me ask did the Jesus followers come from a sect that was within Judaism. But it modified the priesthood or leaders by allowing anyone Godly man to be a disiciple or elder. Was this based on the Jewish model but updated or fullfilled into something for all?
Thats what I mean by the Jews being part of the plan even though the true belief was evolved. It was not Islam or Baal that gave birth to Christianity. But the Jews. Then it became something different but not completely as it is still modelled on the Jewish worship as far as a sacrifice (Christ instead of animals ect). A High Priest and sub priests (Elders and deacons ect and an alter ect.
Paul mentions bring the Gentiles as a pure sacrifice at the alter of Christ. Much of the worship style is the same. It is just that this is fullfilled in Christ. Which should have been the same fullfillment the Jews evolved to. But like the Golden Calf they drifted away and went into the world worshipping false idols.
God's prophet Daniel was given the accurate time when to expect Messiah's coming, so the "house of Judah", of which he went captive with to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, is when the captive Jews to Babylon had to have known about Messiah. God actually mentioned the idea of Messiah's coming to the children of Israel first through Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15. King David was given to prophesy of Christ's crucifixion in Psalms 22, about a thousand years before it happened. Isaiah was given to prophesy about Jesus in Isaiah 53. In Isaiah 11, Isaiah is given to prophesy about Jesus being born of the "stem of Jesse", Jesus called "a Branch" there (KJV). Zechariah 6:12 declares the man who's name is "The BRANCH" shall build the temple of The LORD, as that's one of the events even today's Jews await by Messiah. David's father Jesse was from Bethlehem. Jeremiah was given to prophesy about Jesus in Jeremiah 23:5-8. Zechariah 9:9 prophesied of Jesus riding into Jerusalem on an ass. These are only a tip of the iceberg of the many places in Old Testament Scripture that prophesied of Messiah's future coming. They just didn't mention the name 'Jesus'.
The prophet Micah was given to prophesy of where Jesus would come from out of "Bethlehem Ephratay" where Jesse was from (Micah 5:2). Numbers 24:17 mentions "there shall come a Star out of Jacob" which the three wise men of Matthew 2 mentioned they saw pointing to Jesus' birth. When king Herod heard that he then asked the chief priests and scribes where Christ should be born. Herod was quoted that Micah 5:2 Scripture by the Jewish priests and scribes, so they knew.
The Maccabees rebellion against the Seleucid empire was a 2nd century B.C. uprising of the Jews against Greek Hellenism. In 170 B.C., Antiochus IV had setup an idol abomination inside the 2nd temple, an idol to the Greek god Zeus. The Jews soon rebelled after that. Those prophecies I mentioned above though were long before the Maccabees rebellion.
Not really, the prophecies about Messiah were given PRIOR to the Jews going captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, except the main one like with Daniel, which is the most precise timing given if you don't count the star out of Jacob the three wise men from the east understood about. Did you not notice that the scribes sided with the blind Pharisees that wanted Lord Jesus killed? The scribes were the "Kenites" of 1 Chronicles 2:55, a pagan people from the land of Canaan (Genesis 15). They were not Israel born. Their creeping in among Judah happened long... before Nebuchadnezzar. Judaism was a corrupted result of the Babylonian captivity of the "house of Judah".
Was that part of God's Plan still though? Yes, of course. God handed out punishment upon the children of Israel many times for falling away and forgetting Him. The majority of the children of Israel, the ten northern tribes, had been scattered out of the holy land first for falling into idol worship, so they were gone while the "house of Judah" was still in good standing. Then by the time of the prophet Jeremiah, the Jews of the "house of Judah" at Jerusalem also fell away, and even sacrificed their children in the fire per a pagan ritual! (See Jer.7).
Apostle Paul called what he was following as a Pharisee "the Jew's religion" as he said how he beyond measure persecuted "the church of God, and wasted it." (Galatians 1). By that Paul revealed that Judaism, which is what the Jews call their religion, is not... the same belief system given through Moses, because that "church of God" Paul recognized as the true Church. And is this not so when Lord Jesus nailed to His cross the 'old covenant' system according to the Book of Hebrews?
I see you keep falling back to that title of 'Jews'.
The title of 'Jew', per the Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.), is the name which ONLY the 3-tribe "house of Judah" called themselves, and the strangers that lived in Jerusalem-Judea with them that also went captive to Babylon with them. The ten northern tribes of Israel, did NOT go captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar. The ten tribes had a separate captivity by the kings of Assyria about 120-200 years prior to Judah's captivity.
You appear to keep wanting to STERILIZE the religion Judaism when it is NO WAY sterile and pure. It is from CORRUPTION because it contains traditions of men which go AGAINST The Word of God, especially with the Babylonian Talmud writings of Jewish sages, which God did not call. PAGANS that had crept in early among Judah's history had taken over. You might have known this if you had taken time to study your Old Testament histories instead of listening to people who don't know what they are talking about.
Did you not notice what Lord Jesus said here...
Rev 2:8-9
8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;
9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
KJV
Lord Jesus pointed directly to those false Jews who only SAY... they are Judah, but are not. That's about the foreigners that crept in long ago among Judah. It began with the Kenites of the land of Canaan, then the nations of Canaan that were left which Israel was not able to destroy per God's commandment. They became bondservants and drawers of water in Israel. They eventually became Temple servants helping the Levite priests with Temple duties, called Nethinims. Some of them eventually became priests themselves, as Ezra saw none of the sons of Levi returning to Jerusalem from the Babylon captivity. He saw Nethinims returning, and even sent the head Nethinim back to Babylon to bring Levite priests!
So by the time of Judah's Babylon captivity, the stage of the corrupters had been set. Things only got worse during their Babylon captivity...
Ezra 9:1-4
9 Now when these things were done, the princes came to me, saying, The people of Israel, and the priests, and the Levites, have not separated themselves from the people of the lands, doing according to their abominations, even of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites.
2 For they have taken of their daughters for themselves, and for their sons: so that the holy seed have mingled themselves with the people of those lands: yea, the hand of the princes and rulers hath been chief in this trespass.
3 And when I heard this thing, I rent my garment and my mantle, and plucked off the hair of my head and of my beard, and sat down astonied.
4 Then were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the transgression of those that had been carried away; and I sat astonied until the evening sacrifice.
KJV
You cannot just omit Bible Scripture like the above in order to try and create justification for "the Jew's religion", Judaism.
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Yes thats what I can't understand when people say the Jews were not part of Gods plan. Its written all through their prophets and kings.
I agree they knew the truth. If I had seen Christs miracles I would be dumb founded but excited. Its beyond the Thomas affect where you deny but then believe when shown the truth. Its a deliberate defiance and disobedience to God.
From my understanding the Maccabees rebellion is not part of the bible as far as the coming of Christ.
I think God had also promised Abraham that from him would come a great people and a saviour for all the world.
It seems Gods divine line got lost along the way.
Yeah I think satan was always working his way in. You could go way back to Cain and the Canaanite tribes.
I see. So there were no tribes left that could stand as Gods people or rep. No more great prophets. This makes sense as it seems as time went on the prophets were rejecting the leaders and becoming more corrupted.
Yes I agree. But to the other Jewish sects they believed things the other way around. Even the Essenes were known as "The Way" like the Jesus followers. But these were all Jewish sects until Paul came along.
Yes was that king Sennacherib who said he held King Hezekiah captured like a bird in a cage. I am getting the picture now, thankyou.
I don't want to make it pure. I think it is a hard relationship to understand. Most people relate the Jews to the land of Isreal. So its easy to get mixed up with Isreal today and how it was in the time of the Patriarchs.
So the whole system was corrupted by the time of Christ. Rather well before that.
No thankyou, You have enlightened me. I have not researched this period that much and it seems like a good next investigation.
It's because God provided a 'remnant' of Israel that would... understand, and He made certain of it. He began with giving Abraham the Promise by Faith of Jesus Christ (according to Paul in Galatians 3). The Christian Church just doesn't go into much Old Testament history, like tracing that Promise by Faith which Abraham believed all the way down to Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh, which still has care of the heart of The Gospel Promise by Faith to this day. I know some Christian brethren that will sit and argue all day against the idea of God having split the old kingdom of Israel into two separate 'houses' in the days of Solomon, and all they need do is simply read starting at 1 Kings 11 forward.
I think it's safe for me to say that about 25% of Christian brethren that come to Christian Forums is not just for fellowship, but because their Church isn't feeding them all The Word of God, so they have many questions not being answered by their preachers, mainly because their preachers don't even know, because they are called to be evangelists and not teachers of The Word. These 25% have an urge to know more that God has put in them, so they are looking. At the same time, most seminaries are teaching their preachers to stay on the 'milk' of God's Word.
Some lucky Churches have a teaching pastor that is a scholar in the Bible languages, and that's all they do is teach Bible. This kind of thing was prophesied by God through His prophet Amos for the end of this world, that God would send a famine in the land, not one for bread or water, but for hearing The Word of God, looking everywhere for it and not finding it (See Amos 8).
Those things were to serve as "ensamples" for us in the last days, Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 10.
That rebellion by the Jews against the Syrian-Hasmoneans lasted until Jerusalem was freed from Greek Hellenism around 37 B.C. Antiochus IV desolated the 2nd temple around 170-165 B.C., so that's likely how the rebellion got started in 167 B.C. (See the following about Jerusalem's historical sieges and pagans setting up idols there - The Sieges of Jerusalem. - Appendix to the Companion Bible)
The Promise God gave Abraham was The Gospel of Jesus Christ. Abraham believed, and God counted Abraham's Faith as righteousness. That was 430 years prior to the giving of the law through Moses. That Promise by Faith is what Apostle Paul said those of Faith have believed, and thus have become the "children of Abraham." (See Gal.3 and Rom.4) Thus The Gospel of Jesus Christ had always been given first. Most of the Old Testament patriarchs and prophets just didn't yet understand about Jesus and the crucifixion, His death and resurrection, for the remission of sins through His Blood, which is part of that Promise by Faith. I believe Abraham did know though, because at the end of John 8 Lord Jesus said that Abraham rejoiced to see His day, and was glad. Christ met Abraham per Genesis 18. And per Hebrews 7, the Melchizedek of The Old Testament was another Title for Lord Jesus Christ who met Abraham, and offered Abraham "bread and wine", and blessed Abraham.
Not at all. To the world, and to the Jews, yes, they lost sight of what happened to the ten lost tribes of Israel, the northern tribes, but God didn't lose sight of them, but had been using the ten scattered tribes, and along with the small remnant of scattered believing Jews, to create the western Christian nations of history, and further The Gospel. This is actually the subject Jesus was covering in His parable in Matthew 21 about His vineyard (ten tribes) and changing its care to another "nation" to produce its fruit instead of those false Jew crept in unawares in Jerusalem.
The last verse of Zechariah 14, which is future Millennial timing, it says only then will there no more be the Canaanite in the House of God. That's part of Old Testament history most are missing, how pagans crept in among Israel that caused the children of Israel to fall away. God warned Israel about that in Judges 2 and Judges 3, so that's another failure by the children of Israel they had no excuse for.
See Isaiah 6 about that, where Isaiah asked God how long would the people be spiritually blinded and in a stupor. And God showed until the cities are wasted and there is a great forsaking in the land by His removing men far away. But He promised that still in it would be a tenth that will return, referring to His elect.
Most brethren never get what the Essenes were really about. The Jewish historian Josephus was the only one who covered their history to any degree. Yet they aren't mentioned within The Bible. That has led some to think they represented the writers of The Bible; simply not true. The Essenes were like a monastic sect that practiced a certain level of Mysticism. For those not familar with that system, it represents repetition practices, dogma, ceremonial ritual, etc., the things that could not ever save us. To this day, secret societies like the Masonic Lodge and the Rosicrucians claim one of their history connections is from the Essenes. They also teach there was another sect in ancient Greece like them, called the Therapeutae that were known as healers, like the Essenes were. Those secret societies will lead one down the wrong path though, because they treat all religion as equal, not really recognizing Jesus of Nazareth as God come in the flesh.
For those who 'stay' in God's Word as written, what becomes easy is all the propaganda pushed by the false Jews of the synagogue of Satan who want the world to believe they are the source of God's Kingdom and Promise, when those are definitely not. Those false Jews crept in and are in power in Jerusalem are not even of... the bloodline of Israel. Many of them are leftovers of the Canaanites which Israel was not able to destroy. Others are Idumeans of the seed of Esau that crept in among Judah after God had Edom destroyed. This is why Lord Jesus mentioned them in Revelation 2:9 and Revelation 3:9 to the only two Churches He had no problem with. They were aware by staying in His Word. It's obvious the other five Churches were having problems because of not knowing about the crept in unawares of Jude 4. Is there any wonder why some seminaries today don't want The Old Testament covered line upon line in the Churches? Those are the false Jews pushing that, so the majority stay ignorant of those crept in unawares.
The gold calf idol made by the children of Israel coming out of Egypt was an early sign. How did they know to make a gold calf idol for worship? Who showed them that, especially after they had all the proof of their True GOD by all the miracles He performed bringing them out of Egypt?
Good luck with that. You will experience a lot of resistance, and not just from our visible world.
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Thankyou.
Yes I think there is a growing religiousity where people are like pharisees focusing on interpretations and denying the true spirit of Christ.
I think the resistence is all about the spiritual world. A spiritual battle of ideologies and dark pricipalities working against Christs truth. Underneath these alternative teachings is a spirit of denial and defiance against Christs truth and Gods law and order.
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