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The "newness" of the rapture is brought up a lot, especially in regard to the pre-trib rapture. The rapture debate is a fairly recent development in Christian history. The primary eschatological focus of the early church was on Christ’s imminent return, whether the millennial reign of Christ was literal or figurative, and the nature and timing of the resurrection and the final judgment, among other issues. Their focus was not on the timing of the rapture, and they didn't have codified rapture doctrine. Sure, you can find elements of every rapture position in their writings if you looked hard enough, but elements don't make a doctrine. The truth is, every rapture position can be traced back to the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. For example:
  • The pre-trib rapture was popularized by John Nelson Darby in 1830.
  • The mid-trib rapture emerged in 1941 with the publication of the book "The End: Rethinking the Revelation" by Norman B. Harrison.
  • Prewrath was conceived in the 1970s by Robert Van Kampen. It became popularized in 1990 with Marvin Rosenthal's book "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church."
  • J. Barton Payne was the primary proponent of classic post-tribulationism in his 1962 work "The Imminent Appearing of Christ."
  • Semi-classic post-tribulation was espoused by Alexander Reese in his book "The Approaching Advent of Christ," published in 1937.
  • Futuristic post-tribulationism was popularized by George E. Ladd in his book "The Blessed Hope," published in 1956.
Does that necessarily invalidate all modern rapture positions? No. Contrary to popular belief, the early church fathers didn’t have all the answers and were still figuring things out for themselves. They were not any more enlightened than the rest of us, they had debates and disagreements just like we do now. This "newness," however, should not be an automatic disqualifier. There are valid reasons for the late development of the various rapture doctrines. They can be summed up by the lack of literacy, availability, and prohibition by the governing authorities. Let me explain.

The first is the problem of literacy. Literacy refers to the ability to read, write, and comprehend written language. We take literacy for granted today, but it was not the universal norm for much of history. In ancient civilizations, literacy was relegated to a small class of people such as priests, scribes, and nobility. In ancient Greece, literacy skills were at a basic level for much of the populace. It wasn’t until the invention of the Gutenberg printing press in the fifteenth century that literacy accelerated. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, laws were introduced in many countries that made literacy learning compulsory. It was only then that literacy became the norm that it is today rather than the exception.

Literacy was only part of the equation. The other problem is that the Bible wasn’t readily available and accessible to the layperson for much of church history. Prior to the creation of the Gutenberg printing press, Bibles were painstakingly copied by hand, making them rare and expensive. Only after the printing press was invented was the production and dissemination of Bibles to the masses possible. But even after mass production of the Bible was possible, it was still not accessible to everyone.

During the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church exerted complete control over the production and dissemination of the Bible. Only the upper clergy and educated elite were allowed to read the Scriptures, as it was believed only they could understand and explain the teachings to the common people. At that time, Latin was the preferred language for official Church documents, theological discussions, and academic settings. Consequently, translating the Bible into other languages was either discouraged or expressly prohibited.

John Wycliffe produced the first English translation of the Bible, but it faced opposition from church leaders. John Wycliffe was later posthumously condemned, and the English Church banned unauthorized translations of the Bible in 1408. Scholar and theologian William Tyndale was another notable example. Tyndale translated the Bible into English in the early 1520s. His work would later form the basis for future English translations of the Bible, including the King James Version. However, his translation was not well received by the Catholic Church. After a year in prison, Tyndale was strangled and burned at the stake in 1536.

The Council of Trent was convened by the Roman Catholic Church between 1545 and 1563 to counter the Protestant Reformation movement. Among their objectives was to reaffirm the Latin Vulgate as the authoritative version of the Bible for Catholics. Unfortunately, Latin was not widely known or understood by the common people, especially those outside the clergy, scholars, and educated elites. Queen Mary I of England reinforced the Latin Vulgate as the authoritative version of the Bible for Catholics by discouraging translations into local vernaculars to prevent misinterpretation during her reign from 1553 to 1558. She attempted to reverse the English Reformation and eliminate Protestant versions of the Bible. Many Protestant leaders were subsequently arrested and burned at the stake for their “heresies.” Due to her ruthless reign, she earned the nickname Bloody Mary.

All this is to say that accessibility, literacy, and the availability of vernacular translations of the Bible didn’t fully come to fruition until the past three to four hundred years or so. Once the layperson could read the Bible freely for themselves, the study of prophecy and eschatology really took off. The common person was able to glean new insights that I don't think were possible in previous generations. Just because they weren't early church fathers should not invalidate their understanding and insights of scriptures. Nor should age be the determining factor in whether something is true or not. For instance, it took roughly four hundred years after Pentecost until the Trinity doctrine was firmly established. If age were the ultimate test of validity, then the heresy of Gnosticism would be true since it’s nearly as old as Christianity itself.

I would suggest there is another explanation for the lateness of these rapture doctrines. God doesn’t always reveal everything to us at once; sometimes it’s in increments. The Church dispensation, for example, was hidden from the Old Testament prophets. It was a mystery until it was revealed to the apostles, specifically the Apostle Paul. God allows certain things to remain hidden for His express purposes. When Daniel was shown a vision of future events, he didn’t understand what he was seeing:

Dan 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Dan 12:8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
Dan 12:9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

It wasn't time for Daniel to understand those things, and how could he have understood the world we live in today? But it may be our time and time itself reveals things to us. We gain knowledge and understanding in proportion to the resources and education available to us. That makes us capable of understanding certain things that not even the prophets of old could have understood, like how technology could be used in the end-times. It only makes sense, then, that as we get closer to the end of this age and the return of Christ, the more God reveals to us about the rapture and end times. That’s not to say that we still have all the answers, just as the early church didn't have all the answers. But it does mean that we have more insights than they did.
 

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The rapture debate is a fairly recent development in Christian history

Don't know why, it's been in the New Testament all along.

The only debate is when it's going to take place which will have to be sometime after the anit-christ is revealed to the world (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) which is at the beginning of the tribulation
 

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Interesting historical suppositions, but it still does not change what the actual written Word of God states...

Matt 24:29-31
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Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
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And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
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And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Mark 13:24-27
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But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
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And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV


Lord Jesus in the above aligns with what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 about Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. No doubt, Paul got that from Lord Jesus.

Matt.24:31 -- shows the group of saints gathered from Heaven which Paul said Jesus will bring with Him when He returns (1 Thess.4:13-16).

Mark 13:27 -- shows the group of saints still alive on earth that will be "caught up" to Jesus on that same day, per Paul (1 Thess.4:17). This is what most call a 'rapture', which is just a word from the Latin for Greek harpazo.

So do we really need man's... books and theories to understand God's Word? Mostly, NO!
 
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The "newness" of the rapture is brought up a lot, especially in regard to the pre-trib rapture. The rapture debate is a fairly recent development in Christian history. The primary eschatological focus of the early church was on Christ’s imminent return, whether the millennial reign of Christ was literal or figurative, and the nature and timing of the resurrection and the final judgment, among other issues. Their focus was not on the timing of the rapture, and they didn't have codified rapture doctrine. Sure, you can find elements of every rapture position in their writings if you looked hard enough, but elements don't make a doctrine. The truth is, every rapture position can be traced back to the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. For example:
  • The pre-trib rapture was popularized by John Nelson Darby in 1830.
  • The mid-trib rapture emerged in 1941 with the publication of the book "The End: Rethinking the Revelation" by Norman B. Harrison.
  • Prewrath was conceived in the 1970s by Robert Van Kampen. It became popularized in 1990 with Marvin Rosenthal's book "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church."
  • J. Barton Payne was the primary proponent of classic post-tribulationism in his 1962 work "The Imminent Appearing of Christ."
  • Semi-classic post-tribulation was espoused by Alexander Reese in his book "The Approaching Advent of Christ," published in 1937.
  • Futuristic post-tribulationism was popularized by George E. Ladd in his book "The Blessed Hope," published in 1956.
Does that necessarily invalidate all modern rapture positions? No. Contrary to popular belief, the early church fathers didn’t have all the answers and were still figuring things out for themselves. They were not any more enlightened than the rest of us, they had debates and disagreements just like we do now. This "newness," however, should not be an automatic disqualifier. There are valid reasons for the late development of the various rapture doctrines. They can be summed up by the lack of literacy, availability, and prohibition by the governing authorities. Let me explain.

The first is the problem of literacy. Literacy refers to the ability to read, write, and comprehend written language. We take literacy for granted today, but it was not the universal norm for much of history. In ancient civilizations, literacy was relegated to a small class of people such as priests, scribes, and nobility. In ancient Greece, literacy skills were at a basic level for much of the populace. It wasn’t until the invention of the Gutenberg printing press in the fifteenth century that literacy accelerated. In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries, laws were introduced in many countries that made literacy learning compulsory. It was only then that literacy became the norm that it is today rather than the exception.

Literacy was only part of the equation. The other problem is that the Bible wasn’t readily available and accessible to the layperson for much of church history. Prior to the creation of the Gutenberg printing press, Bibles were painstakingly copied by hand, making them rare and expensive. Only after the printing press was invented was the production and dissemination of Bibles to the masses possible. But even after mass production of the Bible was possible, it was still not accessible to everyone.

During the Middle Ages, the Catholic Church exerted complete control over the production and dissemination of the Bible. Only the upper clergy and educated elite were allowed to read the Scriptures, as it was believed only they could understand and explain the teachings to the common people. At that time, Latin was the preferred language for official Church documents, theological discussions, and academic settings. Consequently, translating the Bible into other languages was either discouraged or expressly prohibited.

John Wycliffe produced the first English translation of the Bible, but it faced opposition from church leaders. John Wycliffe was later posthumously condemned, and the English Church banned unauthorized translations of the Bible in 1408. Scholar and theologian William Tyndale was another notable example. Tyndale translated the Bible into English in the early 1520s. His work would later form the basis for future English translations of the Bible, including the King James Version. However, his translation was not well received by the Catholic Church. After a year in prison, Tyndale was strangled and burned at the stake in 1536.

The Council of Trent was convened by the Roman Catholic Church between 1545 and 1563 to counter the Protestant Reformation movement. Among their objectives was to reaffirm the Latin Vulgate as the authoritative version of the Bible for Catholics. Unfortunately, Latin was not widely known or understood by the common people, especially those outside the clergy, scholars, and educated elites. Queen Mary I of England reinforced the Latin Vulgate as the authoritative version of the Bible for Catholics by discouraging translations into local vernaculars to prevent misinterpretation during her reign from 1553 to 1558. She attempted to reverse the English Reformation and eliminate Protestant versions of the Bible. Many Protestant leaders were subsequently arrested and burned at the stake for their “heresies.” Due to her ruthless reign, she earned the nickname Bloody Mary.

All this is to say that accessibility, literacy, and the availability of vernacular translations of the Bible didn’t fully come to fruition until the past three to four hundred years or so. Once the layperson could read the Bible freely for themselves, the study of prophecy and eschatology really took off. The common person was able to glean new insights that I don't think were possible in previous generations. Just because they weren't early church fathers should not invalidate their understanding and insights of scriptures. Nor should age be the determining factor in whether something is true or not. For instance, it took roughly four hundred years after Pentecost until the Trinity doctrine was firmly established. If age were the ultimate test of validity, then the heresy of Gnosticism would be true since it’s nearly as old as Christianity itself.

I would suggest there is another explanation for the lateness of these rapture doctrines. God doesn’t always reveal everything to us at once; sometimes it’s in increments. The Church dispensation, for example, was hidden from the Old Testament prophets. It was a mystery until it was revealed to the apostles, specifically the Apostle Paul. God allows certain things to remain hidden for His express purposes. When Daniel was shown a vision of future events, he didn’t understand what he was seeing:

Dan 12:4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”
Dan 12:8 Although I heard, I did not understand. Then I said, “My lord, what shall be the end of these things?”
Dan 12:9 And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

It wasn't time for Daniel to understand those things, and how could he have understood the world we live in today? But it may be our time and time itself reveals things to us. We gain knowledge and understanding in proportion to the resources and education available to us. That makes us capable of understanding certain things that not even the prophets of old could have understood, like how technology could be used in the end-times. It only makes sense, then, that as we get closer to the end of this age and the return of Christ, the more God reveals to us about the rapture and end times. That’s not to say that we still have all the answers, just as the early church didn't have all the answers. But it does mean that we have more insights than they did.
You are talking like an authority yet I do not see any historic evidence in your writing. How much research have you done on the early church fathers?
 

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Don't know why, it's been in the New Testament all along.

The only debate is when it's going to take place which will have to be sometime after the anit-christ is revealed to the world (2 Thessalonians 2:1-3) which is at the beginning of the tribulation
And where exactly is your pre-trib rapture in that passage? It seems like you're winging it.
 

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You are talking like an authority yet I do not see any historic evidence in your writing. How much research have you done on the early church fathers?
I know he probably hasn't done nearly as much research as you have. In what you've read, what did most of the early church fathers teach as it relates to the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation that occurs before Jesus returns (whatever their understanding of "the tribulation" might have been)?
 

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I know he probably hasn't done nearly as much research as you have. In what you've read, what did most of the early church fathers teach as it relates to the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation that occurs before Jesus returns (whatever their understanding of "the tribulation" might have been)?
Many early Amils and Chiliasts thought the end of the world would happen in AD 500, which they thought was 6000 years from creation.
 

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Lord Jesus in the above aligns with what Apostle Paul taught in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 about Christ's coming and gathering of His Church. No doubt, Paul got that from Lord Jesus.

What was described above is what happens when Jesus returns and is not actually the rapture.
What you are referring to happens after the great tribulation

When the rapture happens Jesus appears in the air but does not set foot on earth so the rapture is the catching away of the Lord's faith but is not His actual second coming when He touches down on the Mount of Olives and starts His 1000 year reign.

Those that do not believe there is a recuse by the Lord so His faithful don't have to endure satan's garbage during the great tribulation will be left here to go thru it due to their belief that there is no rescue.

The rest of us will look down upon those people and thin, "I sure am glad I didn't believe like those guys!"
 

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Many early Amils and Chiliasts thought the end of the world would happen in AD 500, which they thought was 6000 years from creation.
That's interesting. But, what I'm asking is whether or not the early church fathers wrote about what they believe in terms of the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation (whatever their view of "the tribulation" might have been) as far as whether they said it would be post-trib?
 

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What was described above is what happens when Jesus returns and is not actually the rapture.
What you are referring to happens after the great tribulation

When the rapture happens Jesus appears in the air but does not set foot on earth so the rapture is the catching away of the Lord's faith but is not His actual second coming when He touches down on the Mount of Olives and starts His 1000 year reign.
Where do you see this taught in scripture?

Those that do not believe there is a recuse by the Lord so His faithful don't have to endure satan's garbage during the great tribulation will be left here to go thru it due to their belief that there is no rescue.
Where do you see this taught in scripture?
 

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That's interesting. But, what I'm asking is whether or not the early church fathers wrote about what they believe in terms of the timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation (whatever their view of "the tribulation" might have been) as far as whether they said it would be post-trib?
Yes. They were all Posttrib.
 
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What was described above is what happens when Jesus returns and is not actually the rapture.
What you are referring to happens after the great tribulation

When the rapture happens Jesus appears in the air but does not set foot on earth so the rapture is the catching away of the Lord's faith but is not His actual second coming when He touches down on the Mount of Olives and starts His 1000 year reign.

Those that do not believe there is a recuse by the Lord so His faithful don't have to endure satan's garbage during the great tribulation will be left here to go thru it due to their belief that there is no rescue.

The rest of us will look down upon those people and thin, "I sure am glad I didn't believe like those guys!"
JESUS appears in the air FIRST

But do you know why???
 

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The "newness" of the rapture is brought up a lot, especially in regard to the pre-trib rapture. The rapture debate is a fairly recent development in Christian history. The primary eschatological focus of the early church was on Christ’s imminent return, whether the millennial reign of Christ was literal or figurative, and the nature and timing of the resurrection and the final judgment, among other issues. Their focus was not on the timing of the rapture, and they didn't have codified rapture doctrine. Sure, you can find elements of every rapture position in their writings if you looked hard enough, but elements don't make a doctrine. The truth is, every rapture position can be traced back to the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. For example:
  • The pre-trib rapture was popularized by John Nelson Darby in 1830.
  • The mid-trib rapture emerged in 1941 with the publication of the book "The End: Rethinking the Revelation" by Norman B. Harrison.
  • Prewrath was conceived in the 1970s by Robert Van Kampen. It became popularized in 1990 with Marvin Rosenthal's book "The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Church."
  • J. Barton Payne was the primary proponent of classic post-tribulationism in his 1962 work "The Imminent Appearing of Christ."
  • Semi-classic post-tribulation was espoused by Alexander Reese in his book "The Approaching Advent of Christ," published in 1937.
  • Futuristic post-tribulationism was popularized by George E. Ladd in his book "The Blessed Hope," published in 1956.
The truth is there are two raptures. The first rapture is of the Church which occurs before the great tribulation. The second rapture is the twelve tribes across the earth which occurs Immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Two folds........two harvests of the fig tree..........two raptures.
 

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The truth is there are two raptures. The first rapture is of the Church which occurs before the great tribulation. The second rapture is the twelve tribes across the earth which occurs Immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Two folds........two harvests of the fig tree..........two raptures.
You missed the rapture so you have wait now until after the tribulation.
 

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The rapture has not happened yet, because I'm still here along with many that are faithful to the Lord.
Correct

i have had long conversations with @The Light and he knows i was pointing to this which is fact and irrevocable:

In the world you will have tribulation. But take courage; I have overcome the world!”

4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and deceive many.

12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come
 

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The truth is there are two raptures. The first rapture is of the Church which occurs before the great tribulation. The second rapture is the twelve tribes across the earth which occurs Immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Two folds........two harvests of the fig tree..........two raptures.
That's not the truth, that's something that comes from a very active imagination. If there were two raptures then Paul would have written about two raptures, but he only wrote about one (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3). And Jesus talked about that same event, referring to it as the gathering of the elect from the uttermost part of earth to the uttermost part of heaven (Mark 13:27).
 

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The truth is there are two raptures. The first rapture is of the Church which occurs before the great tribulation. The second rapture is the twelve tribes across the earth which occurs Immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the wrath of God begins.

Two folds........two harvests of the fig tree..........two raptures.
You seem to think, if you state an extra-biblical opinion, that makes it a fact. Well, that is not the way it works.
  1. Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
  2. Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
  3. Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
  4. Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
  5. Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
  6. Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
  7. Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
  8. Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?
Take them one at a time - if you can! Start with Number 1. Is that such a hard ask?
 
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Not a single person, to include Noah in the flood, Lot in Sodom, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego in the furnace, or Daniel in the lions den were removed from the earth during tribulation(s). the Bible is full of typologies. Listen to them. They were all saved or protected in their faith and obedience. Just as Hebrews 11 goes on to state about Faith.

But we also know some will face persecution, and will lose their life. Just as the letters to the churches tell us. Just like the Apostles, and Believers did throughout history. We also know some will not die And will be caught up and not see death.

i.e. DON’T take the mark, DON’T Deny Jesus Christ

Enoch nor Elijah were not in tribulation when they were translated, they are a typology of those whom will be translated. Same as Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not shed its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [Isa. 13:10; 34:4; Joel 2:10, 11; Zeph. 1:15.]
Matthew 24:30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn and beat their breasts and lament in anguish, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory [in brilliancy and splendor]. [Dan. 7:13; Rev. 1:7.]

Mark 13:24 But in those days, after [the affliction and oppression and distress of] that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; [Isa. 13:10.]
Mark 13:25 And the stars will be falling from the sky, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. [Isa. 34:4.]
Mark 13:26 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great (kingly) power and glory (majesty and splendor). [Dan. 7:13, 14.]

Luke 21:25 And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars; and upon the earth [there will be] distress (trouble and anguish) of nations in bewilderment and perplexity [without resources, left wanting, embarrassed, in doubt, not knowing which way to turn] at the roaring (the echo) of the tossing of the sea, [Isa. 13:10; Joel 2:10; Zeph. 1:15.]
Luke 21:26 Men swooning away or expiring with fear and dread and apprehension and expectation of the things that are coming on the world; for the [very] powers of the heavens will be shaken and caused to totter.
Luke 21:27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with great (transcendent and overwhelming) power and [all His kingly] glory (majesty and splendor). [Dan. 7:13, 14.]

The Order of Resurrection

1 Corinthians 15:23 But each in his own rank and turn: Christ (the Messiah) [is] the firstfruits, then those who are Christ's [own will be resurrected] at His coming.

1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the [sound of the] last trumpet call. For a trumpet will sound, and the dead [in Christ] will be raised imperishable (free and immune from decay), and we shall be changed (transformed).

1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud cry of summons, with the shout of an archangel, and with the blast of the trumpet of God. And those who have departed this life in Christ will rise first.
1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we, the living ones who remain [on the earth], shall simultaneously be caught up along with [the resurrected dead] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so always (through the eternity of the eternities) we shall be with the Lord!

The Answer: immediately after the tribulation, at His coming, at the last trump.

Everyone is going through tribulation. Just like those at the beginning of this post did in their time. Gird up your loins.
 
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