Ezekiel 47:1-12 & Rev 22:1-5

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1. Since the Lake of Fire will be a part of the Dead Sea, is the vision of Ez 47:1-12 talking about after the Millennium or during.
2. I believe it's talking about after the Millennium because the Lake of Fire will be active prior to the Millennium and right after Millennium Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10-15.
3. I believe Ez 47:1-12 speaks of purity and renewal on the New Earth inside Jerusalem, after the Lake of Fire is destroyed and renewed.
4. I believe Ezekiel 47:1-12 is describing the same river in Rev 22:1-5.

Ezekiel 47:1-12 - The River From the Temple

1The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was trickling from the south side.

3As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. 4He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. 5He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. 6He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”

Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. 8He said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Dead Sea. When it empties into the sea, the salty water there becomes fresh. 9Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea. 11But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt. 12Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

Rev 22:1-5 - Eden Restored

1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

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ATP said:
1. Since the Lake of Fire will be a part of the Dead Sea, is the vision of Ez 47:1-12 talking about after the Millennium or during.
2. I believe it's talking about after the Millennium because the Lake of Fire will be active prior to the Millennium and right after Millennium Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10-15.
3. I believe Ez 47:1-12 speaks of purity and renewal on the New Earth inside Jerusalem, after the Lake of Fire is destroyed and renewed.
4. I believe Ezekiel 47:1-12 is describing the same river in Rev 22:1-5.

Ezekiel 47:1-12 - The River From the Temple

1The man brought me back to the entrance to the temple, and I saw water coming out from under the threshold of the temple toward the east (for the temple faced east). The water was coming down from under the south side of the temple, south of the altar. 2He then brought me out through the north gate and led me around the outside to the outer gate facing east, and the water was trickling from the south side.

3As the man went eastward with a measuring line in his hand, he measured off a thousand cubits and then led me through water that was ankle-deep. 4He measured off another thousand cubits and led me through water that was knee-deep. He measured off another thousand and led me through water that was up to the waist. 5He measured off another thousand, but now it was a river that I could not cross, because the water had risen and was deep enough to swim in—a river that no one could cross. 6He asked me, “Son of man, do you see this?”

Then he led me back to the bank of the river. 7When I arrived there, I saw a great number of trees on each side of the river. 8He said to me, “This water flows toward the eastern region and goes down into the Arabah, where it enters the Dead Sea. When it empties into the sea, the salty water there becomes fresh. 9Swarms of living creatures will live wherever the river flows. There will be large numbers of fish, because this water flows there and makes the salt water fresh; so where the river flows everything will live. 10Fishermen will stand along the shore; from En Gedi to En Eglaim there will be places for spreading nets. The fish will be of many kinds—like the fish of the Mediterranean Sea. 11But the swamps and marshes will not become fresh; they will be left for salt. 12Fruit trees of all kinds will grow on both banks of the river. Their leaves will not wither, nor will their fruit fail. Every month they will bear fruit, because the water from the sanctuary flows to them. Their fruit will serve for food and their leaves for healing.”

Rev 22:1-5 - Eden Restored

1Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. 3No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. 4They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

- ATP
I've head the idea of the Dead Sea being the Lake of fire, but I'm not sure.
 

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ATP said:
Where do you believe it is, the lake of fire. Best guess.
With the Bible being full of many metaphorical parables, is it possible, that in this instance, the lake of fire on Earth is a metaphor for a turbulent region?
 

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Born_Again said:
With the Bible being full of many metaphorical parables, is it possible, that in this instance, the lake of fire on Earth is a metaphor for a turbulent region?
Region where? What do you mean.

We see that in Rev 20:10-15 NIV the wicked will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, the same place or location of where the wicked goes after death, which is Gehenna Matt 10:28 NIV.
 

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Region where? What do you mean.

We see that in Rev 20:10-15 NIV the wicked will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, the same place or location of where the wicked goes after death, which is Gehenna Matt 10:28 NIV.
Hey, he picked a place on Earth so I figured I would entertain that thought. Can I think of any other place on Earth? No. I don't think it is anything or anywhere we can point out now. I feel it will be something to be seen only when the time is here.
 

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Hey, he picked a place on Earth so I figured I would entertain that thought. Can I think of any other place on Earth? No. I don't think it is anything or anywhere we can point out now. I feel it will be something to be seen only when the time is here.
The lake of fire will be a literal place on earth, and it'll be messy. How many nonbelievers have died since Adam and Eve you ask. That's a big lake. :huh:
 

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The lake of fire will be a literal place on earth, and it'll be messy. How many nonbelievers have died since Adam and Eve you ask. That's a big lake. :huh:
Right? Ha Ha Ha!! Maybe the earth breaks open, exposes the core, then the non-believers are cast into there. The earths core is comparable.... ??? *Shrugs*
 

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ATP said:
Where do you believe it is, the lake of fire. Best guess.
I think it's going to be Gehenna, out side of Jerusalem. God said through Isaiah that those who come to worship Him will see the corpses.
 

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I think it's going to be Gehenna, out side of Jerusalem. God said through Isaiah that those who come to worship Him will see the corpses.
Need your thoughts on this. This is from http://www.askelm.com/secrets/sec106.htm...

Sixthly, the lake cannot be Gehenna (another name of “hell” in the King James Version). The area of Gehenna (sometimes called Tophet) is a valley located on the southern edges of Jerusalem. In no way can the Valley of Hinnom (Gehenna) be considered “a lake.” It is also not the “bottomless pit” (Greek: abyss) because that is a pit in the earth with a door that a key can open (Revelation 9:1–2). Admittedly, the description of the abyss is figurative, but it is not suitable to connect a door and key with an entrance to “a lake.”

The Valley of Hinnom commenced at Jerusalem and journeyed eastwards at a precipitous rate until it emptied into the northern parts of the Dead Sea. The watercourse is know to this very day as the Wady en-Nar (Arabic: The Streambed of Fire). This Valley of Hinnom (that is, the Gehenna mentioned by Christ) was about fifteen miles long. It plummeted into the Dead Sea (the Lake of the Fire). This means that Gehenna and the Lake of the Fire were typically connected.

What is so striking is the contrast: A beautiful and well watered land on the west side with the crests of the Holy Land, and then (so quickly and abruptly) the thorough desolation of the “Land of the Scapegoat”—the region traversed by Gehenna (the Streambed of Fire), the location of the abyss (bottomless pit), and then the Dead Sea (the Lake of the Fire).
Unless the term "lake of fire" is used symbolically to describe a very very large pile of dead bodies inside the valley, where the bodies will be burned. At that point the place that is the "lake of fire" is literal, but the name is symbolic. For example, the word "lake" simply describes "a valley" of dead bodies being burned. The beginning of verse 40 describes the lake of fire, "The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown".

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.” Jer 31:38-40 NIV

Am I close? - ATP
 

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Need your thoughts on this. This is from http://www.askelm.com/secrets/sec106.htm...


Unless the term "lake of fire" is used symbolically to describe a very very large pile of dead bodies inside the valley, where the bodies will be burned. At that point the place that is the "lake of fire" is literal, but the name is symbolic. For example, the word "lake" simply describes "a valley" of dead bodies being burned. The beginning of verse 40 describes the lake of fire, "The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown".

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when this city will be rebuilt for me from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39The measuring line will stretch from there straight to the hill of Gareb and then turn to Goah. 40The whole valley where dead bodies and ashes are thrown, and all the terraces out to the Kidron Valley on the east as far as the corner of the Horse Gate, will be holy to the Lord. The city will never again be uprooted or demolished.” Jer 31:38-40 NIV

Am I close? - ATP
That's pretty much how I see it. I'll take a look at the link and let you know what I think.
 

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In mine understanding in the book of Ezekiel are not as others for many years I have studied this book and Revelations plus books of the Prophets. First off the visions in beginning of Ezekiel gives understanding of the temple at the end. Note chapter 40 the brass man the one building this temple. I have posted on youtube 5 videos of this. Note also in the book of Ezekiel that this brass man not only is moving east at the time that God flushes out the dead sea but also has moved from the south, to the north, then west, then east, then south. Facts the brass man is a dwarf star. This will build the new heaven and a new earth Christ Kingdom to come. Now think about this water that keeps rising and the deserts become as pleasant field. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Pray and ask for understanding even thru Christ read the book of Ezekiel again it will be not as before.
 

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ezekiel said:
In mine understanding in the book of Ezekiel are not as others for many years I have studied this book and Revelations plus books of the Prophets. First off the visions in beginning of Ezekiel gives understanding of the temple at the end. Note chapter 40 the brass man the one building this temple. I have posted on youtube 5 videos of this. Note also in the book of Ezekiel that this brass man not only is moving east at the time that God flushes out the dead sea but also has moved from the south, to the north, then west, then east, then south. Facts the brass man is a dwarf star. This will build the new heaven and a new earth Christ Kingdom to come. Now think about this water that keeps rising and the deserts become as pleasant field. Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Pray and ask for understanding even thru Christ read the book of Ezekiel again it will be not as before.
Hi ezekiel. What are your thoughts on 1-4 in the OP. - ATP
 

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Hi ATP, Since no one else is answering your questions, I thought I would give them a shot.

Your q's: "1. Since the Lake of Fire will be a part of the Dead Sea, is the vision of Ez 47:1-12 talking about after the Millennium or during.

I can assure you that the Dead Sea has zero to do with the Lake of Fire. I think Born Again was closest by suggesting it may be part of the earth's core, if it's on Earth at all. I believe you are correct in your assumption that the river as described in Ez. 47 & Rev. 22 are the same, thus post-millennium.

2. I believe it's talking about after the Millennium because the Lake of Fire will be active prior to the Millennium and right after Millennium Rev 19:20, Rev 20:10-15.

I believe it has always been active as it was originally prepared for the fallen angels of which I'm sure some reside there as we speak.

3. I believe Ez 47:1-12 speaks of purity and renewal on the New Earth inside Jerusalem, after the Lake of Fire is destroyed and renewed.

I'm not sure about this. I don't think anyone can really understand what is meant by the word "without" in Rev. 22:15.

4. I believe Ezekiel 47:1-12 is describing the same river in Rev 22:1-5

The descriptions do seem to match.
 

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3. I believe Ez 47:1-12 speaks of purity and renewal on the New Earth inside Jerusalem, after the Lake of Fire is destroyed and renewed.

I'm not sure about this. I don't think anyone can really understand what is meant by the word "without" in Rev. 22:15.
Where do you see the word "without"? I no longer believe the lake of fire is on earth though.
 

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Hi ATP, in the KJV, it's the second word of the verse at Rev.22:15.
 

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Be ready and understand you will sure understand. Ezekiel 1 needs to be understood first then the other visions will take place. The wheel in a wheel this is a solar system more so two rather. In Ezekiel 1 just look at a calf foot all of it what part it looks like the north and south pole. More its feet are straight look at a magnet north and soth poles do you its feet are straight note this is how planets travel. More the wings are manetic feilds that cover the planet. More the faces the generation of the planet of Gods plan. If you read KJV bible the star at first some other bibles leave out that it folds in on itself. Ok this is a start now water thing of your post the orbit of this star are in the pages before the temple. You pickup when this star is in the East and heading south. See some of the things are not as most think earth only has 6 days and its done rather 6000 years then God stop creating or rested.
 

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Ezekiel’s Inaugural Vision

1In my thirtieth year, in the fourth month on the fifth day, while I was among the exiles by the Kebar River, the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God.

2On the fifth of the month—it was the fifth year of the exile of King Jehoiachin— 3the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest, the son of Buzi, by the Kebar River in the land of the Babylonians.a There the hand of the Lord was on him.

4I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north—an immense cloud with flashing lightning and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, 5and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was human, 6but each of them had four faces and four wings. 7Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. 8Under their wings on their four sides they had human hands. All four of them had faces and wings, 9and the wings of one touched the wings of another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved.

10Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a human being, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. 11Such were their faces. They each had two wings spreading out upward, each wing touching that of the creature on either side; and each had two other wings covering its body. 12Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. 13The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches. Fire moved back and forth among the creatures; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. 14The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning.

15As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. 16This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. 17As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not change direction as the creatures went. 18Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around.

19When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. 20Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21When the creatures moved, they also moved; when the creatures stood still, they also stood still; and when the creatures rose from the ground, the wheels rose along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.

22Spread out above the heads of the living creatures was what looked something like a vault, sparkling like crystal, and awesome. 23Under the vault their wings were stretched out one toward the other, and each had two wings covering its body. 24When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of rushing waters, like the voice of the Almighty,b like the tumult of an army. When they stood still, they lowered their wings.

25Then there came a voice from above the vault over their heads as they stood with lowered wings. 26Above the vault over their heads was what looked like a throne of lapis lazuli, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. 27I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. 28Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.

This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. When I saw it, I fell facedown, and I heard the voice of one speaking.
 

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Sorry about the English as I was multi-tasking. Story time, so back in the day the wise men or Kings come from a far land in search of the New King because they seen his star in the east. We all know this story. Now when you see this know that this is the sign of the son of man in the heavens but dont be deceived for the whole world will rejoice and say it has pass we have made it but then sudden destruction and the earth will be reaped.