Arnie Manitoba said:
The European study is on my other computer ..... you could easily find it yourself if you wanted to .... I am not here to hold your hand or convince you of anything.
-- Uh huh. That is the same sad claim of every person in every chat room and comment board on the Internet when make a claim that isn't....shall we say....'actually factually correct." It's okay. I forgive you.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Analyze the smoke from your campfire or barbecue and you will get most of the same volatiles as found in cigarette smoke.
-- But that only matters if you breath the smoke from a campfire or a barbecue into your lungs ten or more times a day, 365 days a year like a smoker with his cigarettes.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Mercury was used for years in all the vaccines pumped into your arm.
-- And if I got injections in my arm 10 or more times a day, 365 days a year, you'd be onto something. However....
Arnie Manitoba said:
Inhale the steam from convenience microwave popcorn and it will kill you quicker than smoking.
-- Sorry, but people don't normally breath in microwave popcorn 10 or more times a day, 365 days a year.
Arnie Manitoba said:
Lots of poisons used in food preservation
-- We have to eat. And we can pick and choose the foods we eat. Are you really arguing that because there are poisons in food, that justifies adding even more poisons to your body 10 or more times per day, 365 days a year?
Arnie Manitoba said:
Lots of poisons in the world including cigarette smoking
-- Yes. But poisoning yourself via cigarettes is voluntary....every single solitary time.
Arnie Manitoba said:
More people are killed by doctor and hospital errors than cigarette smoking
-- So.....why not smoke? Is that what your argument has been reduced to? :lol:
Did you miss the part where if you don't smoke you will reduce the need to go to the doctor and thus lessen the chance you will be killed by a doctor or hospital error? LOL
Arnie Manitoba said:
driving an automobile is a deadly undertaking ..... safer cars has improved that a lot
-- Again, so this justifies smoking? That's the best you can come up with? Really?
Arnie Manitoba said:
we all die anyway
the most important thing is to attain eternal life
-- Great idea. Smoking can cause you to die earlier so you can begin your eternal life sooner, right?
Because that's the kind of thing God truly smiles on, huh?
I am Second said:
For pete sakes! Don't you realize some people smoke additive free cigarettes? There is such a thing you know and for the roll your own (RYO) group it's a bag of shredded tobacco leaves period. Get informed before you rant.
Funny you should mention that:
Additive-Free Cigarettes May Pack A More Toxic Tobacco Punch
Dec. 3, 2002 — Despite perceptions that additive-free cigarettes and the hand-rolled cigarettes from India called bidis may provide a less-toxic smoke than conventional cigarettes, new research suggests the opposite may be true.
Study results published in the December issue of Nicotine & Tobacco Research examine several physiological and subjective factors among regular smokers who were asked to smoke both bidis and additive-free American Spirit cigarettes in a controlled test.
"Recently, there has been an increase in the use of alternative cigarettes such as bidis, cloves and additive-free cigarettes by adolescents," said lead researcher Wallace Pickworth of the National Institute of Drug Abuse. "In the Boston area, for example, 40 percent of teenagers had smoked bidis at least once in their lifetime and 16 percent were current bidi smokers. About 13 percent of the sample thought bidis were safer than conventional cigarettes."
Aside from perceptions that they are a lesser health risk than conventional cigarettes, bidis may also be popular with adolescents because they are manufactured in a variety of flavors, such as chocolate or root beer. Bidis are also generally less expensive than cigarettes and easier for youths to purchase, Pickworth said.
For the study, Pickworth and his team asked 10 research volunteers -- 24.5 years old on average and considered "healthy smokers" -- to smoke an unfiltered, additive-free American Spirit cigarette, a strawberry-flavored bidi, a non-flavored bidi and one of the participants' own preferred brands of conventional cigarette.
During each session, the researchers measured participants' plasma nicotine and exhaled carbon monoxide. Researchers also recorded the length of time participants took to smoke a cigarette or bidi, and the number of puffs. After smoking, participants completed questionnaires about each product.
Results showed that two minutes after smoking the unfiltered, additive-free American Spirit cigarette or either type of bidi, participants' plasma nicotine levels were significantly higher than when they smoked their own cigarettes. The high nicotine levels lasted longest with the American Spirit cigarette.
Measured levels of exhaled carbon monoxide were less consistent. Researchers measured these levels 15 minutes after participants finished smoking each sample. Exhaled carbon monoxide levels dropped below those of the participants' own cigarette brands 15 minutes after smoking the American Spirit cigarette and the unflavored bidi. The strawberry-flavored bidi, however, left participants exhaling higher amounts of carbon monoxide than with their preferred brands.
"Data from this study were collected in a single exposure to alternative cigarettes in a laboratory environment," Pickworth granted. "The sample size was small, predominantly male and restricted to those over 18 years of age, and included only occasional bidi smokers. These characteristics may have influenced smoking patterns and subjective estimates and may limit the generalizability of the results.
"Nevertheless," he adds, "the results indicate that, contrary to the belief of many consumers, bidi and additive-free cigarettes deliver substantial amounts of nicotine and other toxic components of tobacco smoke."
This research was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse.
And unlike Arnie, I provide proof:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021203074357.htm
It's easy to do when actual proof of what you claim exists...
I am Second said:
And, if you check the OT, where there was God there was smoke and I'm not talking about burnt offerings.
-- But never once in the OT did God direct the Isrealites to draw that smoke into their lungs, let alone 10 or more times a day, 365 days a year.
Try again.
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