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This principle of evil, which reigns in flesh and blood, is styled “an exceedingly great sinner;” and all that is affirmed of the devil in the Scriptures is predicated of the evil that dwelleth in man, as expressed in his individual actions, and through the political and ecclesiastical organisations of the world.

John 8:44.— The devil from the beginning abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here Jesus fixes the origin of falsehood where Moses placed it in his account, as originating in the subtlety of the serpent whom he styles the devil or suggester. “When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar.” Give him speech, as did the Lord God, and he will express only subtlety; for deceivableness, artfulness, and cunning are the characteristics of his physical organization. He was the father of lies, and all liars are, therefore, his seed.

1 John 3:8.— The devil sinneth from the beginning.

“The beginning” here indicated is the time fixed by Moses in Gen. 1:1, 31, when “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” The devil sinneth. The evil suggested by the serpent found place in the mind of man; and these having conceived a desire to do what God had forbidden, transgression was the result. This the apostle personifies as the devil which sins from the beginning, even till now in all the disobedient.

John 8:44.— The devil was a murderer from the beginning.

1 John 3:12.— Cain was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.

1 John 3:8.— He that committeth sin is of the devil.

1 John 3:15.— No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Cain proved himself to be of the number of the serpent’s seed, “because his works were evil.” Hence he is said to be “of that wicked one,” “the devil.” Cain was not the devil, though Jesus styles the devil “a murderer;” and the only murderer in the beginning was Cain. But the evil principle which entered into his parents when they ate of the tree of the knowledge of evil was transmitted to him congenitally. This was the word or corruptible seed of the serpent, as opposed to the word or “incorruptible seed of God,” which was in him. The Lord God had required a sin-offering from those who came to him. The word of God having no place in him, Cain followed the suggestions of his own corrupt nature when reasoning on the commandment of God, which told him it was unnecessary. Thus the evil within him, in its nature essentially hostile to the law of God, conceived, and brought forth transgression. He and his brother presented themselves before the cherubim of glory—Cain with an unbloody offering of the “fruit of the ground,” and Abel with a “firstling of his flock, and the fat thereof.” “And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering, but to Cain and his offering he had not respect.” This was Cain’s first offence, which he might have repaired by a return to duty. But the evil was strong within him. He became jealous of his righteous brother, in whom the word or seed of God abided; for Abel’s work condemned him. Hatred was thus conceived within him, and he slew him. Thus the evil in him brought forth sin, which was perfected in the murder of Abel, the wages of which is death perpetual to the offender.

Thus in Cain’s case “the devil” was the evil latent within his nature, which revived under the holy, just and good commandment of God; he yielded to its suggestions and gave expression to its murderous emotions, and thus brought upon himself “the end of these things which is death.” “No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Hence “the exceedingly great sinner,” who is innate in flesh and blood, that is, “the devil,” nor the man who yields himself servant to obey him in the lust of the flesh, have any glory, honour, incorruptibility, or eternal life abiding in them, which sufficiently proves the absolute destructibility of the devil and his seed.

“Flesh and blood,” in which the καθ ὺπερβολήν ἁμαρτωλὸς or preeminent sinner—the law or principle in the members—has dominion, uncontrolled by the law of God, to which he is essentially hostile, is styled in the sacred writings “the body of sin,” “the flesh,” “the body of this death,” “sinful flesh,” “the body,” “the creature,” “corruption,” “mortal flesh,” “the outward man,” “the Old Man according to the deceitful lusts,” etc .
 

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JonD said:
And his children are those who speak false doctrines in contradiction to that which the Bible clearly teaches.
You will appreciate your post offers nothing to the OP?
The Pharisees were silenced in similar fashion please don't follow there path.
 

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Purity said:
This principle of evil, which reigns in flesh and blood, is styled “an exceedingly great sinner;” and all that is affirmed of the devil in the Scriptures is predicated of the evil that dwelleth in man, as expressed in his individual actions, and through the political and ecclesiastical organisations of the world.

John 8:44.— The devil from the beginning abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Here Jesus fixes the origin of falsehood where Moses placed it in his account, as originating in the subtlety of the serpent whom he styles the devil or suggester. “When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar.” Give him speech, as did the Lord God, and he will express only subtlety; for deceivableness, artfulness, and cunning are the characteristics of his physical organization. He was the father of lies, and all liars are, therefore, his seed.

1 John 3:8.— The devil sinneth from the beginning.

“The beginning” here indicated is the time fixed by Moses in Gen. 1:1, 31, when “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.” The devil sinneth. The evil suggested by the serpent found place in the mind of man; and these having conceived a desire to do what God had forbidden, transgression was the result. This the apostle personifies as the devil which sins from the beginning, even till now in all the disobedient.

John 8:44.— The devil was a murderer from the beginning.

1 John 3:12.— Cain was of that wicked one, and slew his brother.

1 John 3:8.— He that committeth sin is of the devil.

1 John 3:15.— No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Cain proved himself to be of the number of the serpent’s seed, “because his works were evil.” Hence he is said to be “of that wicked one,” “the devil.” Cain was not the devil, though Jesus styles the devil “a murderer;” and the only murderer in the beginning was Cain. But the evil principle which entered into his parents when they ate of the tree of the knowledge of evil was transmitted to him congenitally. This was the word or corruptible seed of the serpent, as opposed to the word or “incorruptible seed of God,” which was in him. The Lord God had required a sin-offering from those who came to him. The word of God having no place in him, Cain followed the suggestions of his own corrupt nature when reasoning on the commandment of God, which told him it was unnecessary. Thus the evil within him, in its nature essentially hostile to the law of God, conceived, and brought forth transgression. He and his brother presented themselves before the cherubim of glory—Cain with an unbloody offering of the “fruit of the ground,” and Abel with a “firstling of his flock, and the fat thereof.” “And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering, but to Cain and his offering he had not respect.” This was Cain’s first offence, which he might have repaired by a return to duty. But the evil was strong within him. He became jealous of his righteous brother, in whom the word or seed of God abided; for Abel’s work condemned him. Hatred was thus conceived within him, and he slew him. Thus the evil in him brought forth sin, which was perfected in the murder of Abel, the wages of which is death perpetual to the offender.

Thus in Cain’s case “the devil” was the evil latent within his nature, which revived under the holy, just and good commandment of God; he yielded to its suggestions and gave expression to its murderous emotions, and thus brought upon himself “the end of these things which is death.” “No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” Hence “the exceedingly great sinner,” who is innate in flesh and blood, that is, “the devil,” nor the man who yields himself servant to obey him in the lust of the flesh, have any glory, honour, incorruptibility, or eternal life abiding in them, which sufficiently proves the absolute destructibility of the devil and his seed.

“Flesh and blood,” in which the καθ ὺπερβολήν ἁμαρτωλὸς or preeminent sinner—the law or principle in the members—has dominion, uncontrolled by the law of God, to which he is essentially hostile, is styled in the sacred writings “the body of sin,” “the flesh,” “the body of this death,” “sinful flesh,” “the body,” “the creature,” “corruption,” “mortal flesh,” “the outward man,” “the Old Man according to the deceitful lusts,” etc .
You'r at it again P!
You said on other posts that there is no entity called the Devil!
Why do you refute Scripture so openly?
You clearly are a servant of the one you say does not exist!
You deny Christ's Deity.
You deny Satan!
You by implication deny the Bible.
You argue that black is white.
You clearly are perverse.
F.

Satan’s people: (Rev. 14;9-12).


[SIZE=14pt]It is not an exaggeration to say this is probably the most profound warning in the whole of Scripture, which is delivered by the third angel. ([/SIZE]We must remember that these messengers are being heard by all mankind, verse 6[SIZE=14pt]!) The following warning given is so profoundly strong and uncompromising, that most readers shrink from accepting its clear message. However, we know that all Scripture is from the Holy Spirit (2 Tim. 3:16.) The severity of the warning does not at first glance seem to accord with The Almighty God of Love. However; when properly and prayerfully perceived, it becomes clear that even at this extreme stage of evil (adherence to Satan,) that has by then been reached, merciful Jehovah Zabeoth has given a [/SIZE]last warning to the people of earth[SIZE=14pt]. After that warning, there is no way of escape! [/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]At this present moment in time it is very easy for people to escape future judgment and damnation, by accepting in Truth in their hearts (innermost being,) that Jesus Christ died for their sin, on The Cross, at Calvary, outside the walls of Jerusalem, approx. 2000 years ago, but that acceptance of Jesus and His sacrifice must be sincere, and not just a verbal comment![/SIZE]

[SIZE=14pt]That sacrifice, which is acceptable to Jehovah God, IS THE ULTIMATE, BECAUSE CHRIST ON THE CROSS WAS GOD INCARNATE! Once this offered gift of salvation (being made whole) is removed, the way to Salvation and God becomes much harder, as is being shown in Rev.14. Once the warning of V.9-12 are given there are only TWO OPTIONS open to mankind.
1) Be for Jehovah Zebaoth and Christ;
2) Serve Satan, receive his mark and worship him.
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[SIZE=14pt]Once the second option is taken men and women will be seen as they truly are for the first time (tares,) with no subterfuge, disguise or other ways of covering their true identity. They are children of Satan, and TOTALLY unredeemable, and will receive the same punishment reserved for Satan and his angels eventually. As one third of Heaven’s angels fall under the guile, lies and deceit of Satan, so will countless human beings. The torment that they will have to endure for “an Age,” (v 11 translates correctly as an "Age time," not for "ever and ever" as per AV. Strongs number 165 has the statement "especially a Jewish Messianic period", which clearly points to the punishment being for the duration of the Millennial. That corresponds with Rev. 20:10 which shows that Satan and his are consigned to the Lake of Fire and Brimstone at the end of Millennial,) has turned many good men and women from studying these verses. They must be understood in the context of Satan's totally perverse rebellion against THE ONE TRUE LOVING GOD, whose purpose in the defeat of Satan is only to prove HIS GREAT LOVE for HIS created beings, (see notes in Revelationsmessage Chp 12:V.12 a) b) c,) and to deal with the "mystery of iniquity!" (2Thess. 2:7.)[/SIZE]
 

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Purity said:
1 John 3:15.— No murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
This is true.......very true.....but..........who influenced the murderer to kill...........satan........
But this murderer..........GLORY TO GOD...........can have eternal life.
All he has to do is ask Jesus for forgiveness of his sins.
Kinda like Jeffrey Domer did after he ate all those people 10 years or so ago.
He asked jesus to forgive him of his sins..........and Jesus showed up in his cell and held him and loved him.

Now that's cool.
 

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RANDOR said:
This is true.......very true.....but..........who influenced the murderer to kill...........satan........
Might well be the first good question you have asked Randor.

[SIZE=80%]3:12 [/SIZE]not like Cain[SIZE=80%]43[/SIZE] who was of the evil one and brutally[SIZE=80%]44[/SIZE] murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his deeds were evil, but his brother’s were righteous.

Evil one = Sin personified
Murder is the action
Reasons given = his owns works were evil

Jesus teaching as to the source.

[SIZE=80%]7:17 [/SIZE]Now[SIZE=80%]20[/SIZE] when Jesus[SIZE=80%]21[/SIZE] had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about the parable. [SIZE=80%]7:[/SIZE][SIZE=80%]18 [/SIZE]He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him? [SIZE=80%]7:19 [/SIZE]For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.”[SIZE=80%]22[/SIZE] (This means all foods are clean.)[SIZE=80%]23[/SIZE] [SIZE=80%]7:20 [/SIZE]He said, “What comes out of a person defiles him. [SIZE=80%]7:21 [/SIZE]For from within, out of the human heart, come evil ideas, sexual immorality, theft, murder, [SIZE=80%]7:22 [/SIZE]adultery, greed, evil, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, pride, and folly. [SIZE=80%]7:23 [/SIZE]All these evils come from within and defile a person.”

Randor - you are drowning in evidence and you cannot perceive the truth.

Is there any out there who are truth seekers?
 

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Might well be the first good question you have asked Randor.

[SIZE=80%]3:12 [/SIZE]not like Cain[SIZE=80%]43[/SIZE] who was of the evil one and brutally[SIZE=80%]44[/SIZE] murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his deeds were evil, but his brother’s were righteous.

Evil one = Sin personified
Murder is the action
Reasons given = his owns works were evil

Jesus teaching as to the source.

[SIZE=80%]7:17 [/SIZE]Now[SIZE=80%]20[/SIZE] when Jesus[SIZE=80%]21[/SIZE] had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about the parable. [SIZE=80%]7:[/SIZE][SIZE=80%]18 [/SIZE]He said to them, “Are you so foolish? Don’t you understand that whatever goes into a person from outside cannot defile him? [SIZE=80%]7:19 [/SIZE]For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.”[SIZE=80%]22[/SIZE] (This means all foods are clean.)[SIZE=80%]23[/SIZE] [SIZE=80%]7:20 [/SIZE]He said, “What comes out of a person defiles him. [SIZE=80%]7:21 [/SIZE]For from within, out of the human heart, come evil ideas, sexual immorality, theft, murder, [SIZE=80%]7:22 [/SIZE]adultery, greed, evil, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, pride, and folly. [SIZE=80%]7:23 [/SIZE]All these evils come from within and defile a person.”

Randor - you are drowning in evidence and you cannot perceive the truth.

Is there any out there who are truth seekers?
It wasn't a question.....it was a real life truth statement...from a truth knower....not seeker....you keep on seeking....it's evidence that's all you have been doing. And by the way...we have already found what you still search for.
 

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RANDOR said:
It wasn't a question.....it was a real life truth statement...from a truth knower....not seeker....you keep on seeking....it's evidence that's all you have been doing. And by the way...we have already found what you still search for.
If you cannot speak to the light?
JonD said:
Yes it does have relevance to the OP.
2 Peter 2 v 1.
No JonD the OP is establishing the fact that your make believe evil being is a fragment of your imagination AND that you cannot prove his existence from the Word.

So if 2 Peter 2:1 was to apply, who?
 
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The book of Job mentions Satan. Satan also came to tempt Jesus. While I think we should take responsibility for our own actions and not blame to sin we do on Satan, he is real but will be defeated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.​
 

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The book of Job mentions Satan. Satan also came to tempt Jesus. While I think we should take responsibility for our own actions and not blame to sin we do on Satan, he is real but will be defeated by our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.​
Clark - can you show us your supernatural Satan from Job?

JonD said:
Yourself.
Your struggle wont be forever Jon - eventually the Master will reveal all things to his servants - I pray you will "see" in that day.

JonD said:
Yes it does have relevance to the OP.
2 Peter 2 v 1.
The knowledge of the serpent was derived from observation, and not from the inspiration of an immortal evil angel.

Nowhere in the Bible is an account of such an event - no, not even a hint!

You should ask yourself where did this external knowledge come form?

Floyd said:
You'r at it again P!
You said on other posts that there is no entity called the Devil!
Why do you refute Scripture so openly?
You clearly are a servant of the one you say does not exist!
You deny Christ's Deity.
You deny Satan!
You by implication deny the Bible.
You argue that black is white.
You clearly are perverse.
F.

mystery of iniquity!" (2Thess. 2:7.)
The serpent knowing also that there was a tree of life in the garden, he seems to have concluded, that as God had placed it there, he intended in to be used for purposes of life as opposed to death; and judging that God might be as subtle as himself, who, if he had said anything and found it convenient, would have practised evasion, delivered it as his opinion that though they should eat and touch the forbidden thing, they “should not surely die,” as God did know. All which is in the premisses contained in Gen. 3:5

Apprehending possibly that the serpent might suggest the eating also of the tree of life as a remedy for the evil incurred by eating of the tree of knowledge, the Lord God said, “Behold the man has become as one of us to know good and evil (and this the serpent said would be the case); and now lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live for ever, therefore, the Lord God sent him forth from the Garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man.”—(Gen 3:22.)

Gen 5:5 ....And all the days that Adam lived were 930, and he died. Thus the Lord God proved the serpent to be a liar.

In all these matters no mention at all of any supernatural embodiment of evil - just flesh and blood nature and the moral corruption which followed.
 

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From Purity:
Randor - you are drowning in evidence and you cannot perceive the truth.

Is there any out there who are truth seekers?



From Floyd.
What you call truth, is an invitation from Satan!
 

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Floyd said:
From Floyd.
What you call truth, is an invitation from Satan!
Floyd you have not been able to show your embodiment of evil from the OT?
Once you have given up we can move onto the NT.
Let me know when its time ;)
 

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Floyd you have not been able to show your embodiment of evil from the OT?
Once you have given up we can move onto the NT.
Let me know when its time ;)
You are so perverse in your statements as to be unbelievable!
I don't have to prove any thing to you, get it through your head, or is that not possible! (are you on day release from the local asy.?)
You started this wrangle with your obviously heretical statements (which I am interested is allowed by the Mods) as you cannot adhere to the basic "Statement of Faith"; which is supposed to govern this Board??
You must do the work which has been given to you, by your own perverse statements! Is that clear; or are you on meds?
You must study the Bible to see that your arguments are not in accordance with God's wishes and information to us!
You keep trying to bamboozle people with your illogical and non Biblical circular arguments, and straw men; which I say again, I don't understand why the Mod's allow you and your ilk to continue; as you break daily the "Rules" of this Board" (Mod's please note)!
I say again.
Study to prove that your heretical statements which you wish to impose on all and sundry are wrong; and in the process save yourself; and all those you have infected from the doom waiting for all such as you!
SEE TRUTH: Christ Jesus is God Incarnate: stop lying, stop doing the work of Satan!
Floyd.
 

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I am wondering where this unbiblical theology comes from church wise? Could I ask you Purity what church you are affiliated with?
Or historically speaking where it has its roots?
 

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Hello Purity, regardless of whether I think your theology is wrong or right. The question was/is "what church are you associated with?" That was the question which is clear to see! You have simply replied to a question with a question, not an answer.
My association is with The Australian Free Church.
 

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Hello Purity, regardless of whether I think your theology is wrong or right. The question was/is "what church are you associated with?" That was the question which is clear to see! You have simply replied to a question with a question, not an answer.
My association is with The Australian Free Church.
I associate with those who are of like faith in a precious and unblemished Gospel. And while this answer dissatisfies most I prefer to put Christ before me, rather than the name of an organisation. I am not interested in upholding church dogma but rather allowing the Word of God to speak first and last. I am a Unitarian who believes Jesus was first given life by the Holy Spirit Power of Yahweh who alone is God. I don't believe in immortal soulism or fallen angels. I believe in a literal Kingdom of God on earth and the restoration of Israel as Gods holy people in the earth. No heaven ascension for the saints as a reward. One might say the true Gospel is totally the opposite to the Apostate Gospel being taught today.

If you read, study and learn these things it will do you well Jon.

I am happy to discuss any doctrine of your choosing anytime God allows.

P.