Feeling Sorry For God

[Webers_Home]

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Webers_Home said yada, yada, yada

then how can yada, yada, yada

be valid?

For example:

● Matt 5:43-47 . .You have heard that it was said: Love your neighbor and
hate your enemy. But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who
persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes
his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and
the unrighteous.

. . . If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even
the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are
you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?

In other words: it isn't necessary to like one's enemies, but it is necessary to
remain civil with them. So, if someone out there has issues with God, I
highly recommend that they guard against letting those issues govern how
they treat Him.

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[bbyrd009]

ok, but i don't see that as being a reply to this

It isn't necessary to like God in order to comply with Mark 12:30, but it is
necessary to feel sorry for Him; i.e. feel God's pain whenever He's upset
about something; viz: to commiserate with God's sorrow.

wherein God has been replaced with ppl, which i do agree can be done sometimes

 

[Webers_Home]

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imo "obedience" should stand for "sympathy" there

The passages below are deliberately misquoted in order to bring out an
important point.

"For God so obeyed the world, that He gave His only begotten Son" (John 3:16)

Here's another:

"In this is love: not that we obeyed God, but that He obeyed us; and sent
His son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1John 4:10)

In other words; love, in the Bible, is very commonly defined by things like
compassion, concern, kindness, pity, generosity, courtesy, and sympathy.

BTW: I am in awe at the hardness of the hearts that I'm seeing on this
thread.

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[bbyrd009]

BTW: I am in awe at the hardness of the hearts that I'm seeing on this
thread.

hmm, i reviewed the comments briefly, i don't see any hardness of hearts per se myself, dunno there.
imo perceiving pity for God is a dangerous idea, and i don't believe love is an emotion either

 

[bbyrd009]

I've had people actually tell me that God has no feelings; i.e. He doesn't get
emotional-- He's above all that. Well; I have no clue how anyone can read
the Bible and come to the conclusion that God has no feelings because even
in the Bible's very first book we find God in remorse.

God has been personified there to make a point to us, not to bring God to our level, imo.
We are divided, a soul with a heart and a mind, and we even recognize that decisions are better made "dispassionately."
"Heart" as we refer to it is actually a part of the mind, an analogue used to portray our divided nature, deemed our "female" side, also.

So one can read "angry" or "jealous" literally if they like, but i suggest that there are more fruitful ways to reflect upon the concepts

 

[Webers_Home]

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The passage below is deliberately misquoted to bring out something
important.

"If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone
who does not obey his brother, whom he has seen, cannot obey God, whom
he has not seen. And He has given us this command: Whoever obeys God
must also obey his brother. (1John 4:20-21)

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[bbyrd009]

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The passage below is deliberately misquoted to bring out something
important.

"If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone
who does not obey his brother, whom he has seen, cannot obey God, whom
he has not seen. And He has given us this command: Whoever obeys God
must also obey his brother. (1John 4:20-21)

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i don't disagree with your premise, if it may be defined one way as "get on God's wavelength," ok
and bam if your conclusions are fruitful for you, then sow them

i even like one of the reflections of this misquoting; even if some others are obviously not of God, hmm.

the other two i didn't get, sorry.

i'll have to (spend the rest of the day now, dangit) marinate on what the definition of relationship means in the context of father, son and get back to you here, but you must see the hubris possible in...hearing you the wrong way, at least

 

[bbyrd009]

your inclusion of the concept Pity is troubling

 

[bbyrd009]

imo while there is a reflection of God that we should observe in our neighbor is valid, there is also a Father>Son relationship, that is being conflated with it. Obviously there is an obey that i should not do with my neighbor, and this cannot be applied to God. i am called to obey where God is concerned, and that usually amounts to some pain for me, see, so often my "sympathy" with the command is anywhere but lol.

Feeling Sorry for God should not be confused with empathizing with other people, imo. It smells much closer to pity

 

[bbyrd009]

God is love, but we have a heart

lol

 

[Webers_Home]

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i don't believe love is an emotions

There are a number of forms of love that don't require sensitivity, which
could be categorized as social skills; for example:

Fairness
Politeness
Courtesy
Gratitude
Gentleness
Loyalty
Kindness
Helpfulness
Respect
Deference
Tolerance
Lenience
Forgiveness, and
Honesty, etc.

There are several places in the KJV where something it calls "bowels" are
mentioned; translated from the koiné Greek word splagchnon
(splangkh' non) which refers to one's midsection; and usually understood to
mean pity and/or sympathy; viz; inward affection as opposed to outward
affection.

"Love each other with genuine affection" (Rom 12:10)

Fake affection is pretty easy to produce, but genuine affection not so easy
because the real McCoy comes from one's midsection; i.e. their splagchnon.
(BTW: the Greek word for "hypocrite" refers to performers; i.e. actors.)
Show me a Christian who claims there's no emotion in love and I'll show you
a hypocrite.

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[lforrest]

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The passages below are deliberately misquoted in order to bring out an
important point.

"For God so obeyed the world, that He gave His only begotten Son" (John 3:16)

Here's another:

"In this is love: not that we obeyed God, but that He obeyed us; and sent
His son to be the propitiation for our sins." (1John 4:10)

In other words; love, in the Bible, is very commonly defined by things like
compassion, concern, kindness, pity, generosity, courtesy, and sympathy.

BTW: I am in awe at the hardness of the hearts that I'm seeing on this
thread.

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I have on occasion commiserated with God over the lost. But those moments were short, even as their lives are short. They are to be forgotten.

 

[Webers_Home]

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imo perceiving pity for God is a dangerous idea

I honestly don't know how it's any more dangerous to pity God than it is to
pity one's fellow men. In point of fact: I sincerely believe that God would
appreciate people taking some interest in His problems.

For instance, how do you suppose God felt when His son was brutally beaten
and bloodied beyond recognition, nailed to a cross, and stabbed with a
spear? Do you really think God was somehow indifferent to all that and no
more disturbed by it than if the Romans had accidentally stepped on a
garden slug?

The Bible says that God loves His son. Well; in my mind's eye God's love for
His son is just as strong an emotional attachment as the love that ordinary
people feel for children.

Real love is a bonding agent. People unable to pity God are that way
because their hearts aren't knit with His; consequently they have no interest
in His feelings when He's upset.

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[bbyrd009]

People
unable to pity God are that way because they don't care about Him.

pity is an emotion that assumes a certain amount of pride, i think is the point there
also seems relevant to forrest's post, wherein his superiority over "the lost" is assumed?
also being "in awe at the hardness of heart i'm seeing on this thread."
mjr spraying everyone with "i hope you will give Jesus (him, essentially) 5 minutes of your time someday," same thing imo.

don't get me wrong, pity God all you like ok, but it might serve you to understand why pity is bad, even directed at ppl

if i told you that i pitied you, i mean how would that make you feel?

 

[bbyrd009]

"you 2 poor guys need all the help you can get."


iow

 

[Webers_Home]

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if i told you that i pitied you, i mean how would that make you
feel?

That would depend upon your attitude and the motivation for your pity.

When my eldest nephew suddenly dropped dead to the floor a couple of
years ago I was devastated. Were you to pity me for losing my nephew, I
would greatly appreciate your regard.

Back when the stock market fell off a cliff in 2008, my retirement fund lost
20,000 dollars before I could stop the bleeding. Were you to pity me for the
damage done to my retirement fund; I would appreciate your regard for that
too.

I really wanted to play the guitar when I was in high school; but have
absolutely no talent for it. Were you to pity me for my lack of talent, I would
appreciate your regard because the guitar is very important to me.

I no longer have natural knees nor natural eyes. I lost the knees due to
arthritis and cartilage thinning, and lost the lenses in my eyes due to
cataracts. Artificial knees and lenses get you by but they're just not the
same as your natural equipment. If you were to pity me for my knees and
my eyes; again, I would appreciate your regard.

Pity is in the Bible as a holy virtue. In point of fact, there are instances in the
Bible where God condemns people for their lack of pity; and those who have
shown no pity, will be judged without pity.

● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.

The koiné Greek word for "merciful" in that passage means: compassionate.
People who by nature are uncompassionate would do well to use the time
remaining to them to begin preparing themselves for the worst because
Heaven is a society where only caring people are allowed to remain.

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[Webers_Home]

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● Matt 9:13 . .Go and learn what this means: "I desire mercy, not sacrifice."

In order to properly understand Christ's statement; it's necessary to go back
into the Old Testament from whence he got it.

● Hos 6:4-6 . .What can I do with you, Ephraim? What can I do with you,
Judah? Your love is like the morning mist, like the early dew that disappears.
Therefore I cut you in pieces with my prophets, I slaughtered you with the
words of my mouth; My judgments flashed like lightning upon you. For I
desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt
offerings.

Love that's like the morning mist is just a vapor; there's no real substance to
it.

In other words: God accepts Temple sacrifices when they're offered by
people who exemplify the milk of human kindness, and He fully rejects the
offerings of thoughtless clods and insensitive jerks, which is exactly what the
Pharisees of his day were. They were religious to their fingertips; i.e. they
knew, and they practiced, the letter of their covenanted law-- they dotted all
the I's and they crossed all the T's. But though they were so religious; they
lacked compassion. Their callous regard for a woman Jesus healed on a Sabbath
proves it. (Luke 13:10-16)

Maybe you never miss a Sunday of church attendance, and maybe you tithe
faithfully every week; but let me tell you something: God is rejecting every
last bit of your superficial worship if you are by nature indifferent to suffering,
need, and misfortune. You'd be better off spending Sunday morning at a
sports bar rather than wasting God's time at church.

● Mic 6:8 . . He has told you, O man, what is good-- and what does Yhvh
require of you but to love kindness.

Conclusion: Unkind people shall be judged with neither sympathy nor pity,
and then afterwards; slammed with cruel and unusual punishment. Fair's
fair.

● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no
mercy

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[bbyrd009]

Why is pity a bad thing? - Google Search

 

[aspen]

Pity is artificial empathy

 

[Helen]

Pity is artificial empathy

Amen...and pity, sympathy or any other condescending thought 'towards God' is nothing but arrogance!!