Finger pointing and condemnation

[amigo de christo]

This is the truth!

TO the trenches sister , it seems luciferian new age mysticism has WELL INFILATRED a ton of christendom .
I dont think many realize what exactly has been going on at all .
THEY INFILTRATED . they BRAINWASHED , they changed from within
and sister , it has went down the pipe into ALL realms of society and all her religoins as well .
WE GOT US a serious problem indeed .
THESE WICKED MEN OF BELIAL have been HANDLING every fabric of society .
THEY BEEN DUG IN and DUG IN WELL into all fabrics of society .
And sister When i say all , me means all . These politicains are OWNED
and when i say owned , sister i mean owned and when i say that i mean BOTH SIDES .
This depths of this depravity and great evil is ALL OVER THE WORLD and they drink from one cup .
And though the cup can appear to be whatever realm it enters , and panders to every realm by appearing
to be OF THAT denomination , of that religoin , of that poltiical side , ITS THE SAME CUP SISTER .
ITS THE SAME CUP and that cup is full of evil and of the agenda .

 

[Marvelloustime]

TO the trenches sister , it seems luciferian new age mysticism has WELL INFILATRED a ton of christendom .
I dont think many realize what exactly has been going on at all .
THEY INFILTRATED . they BRAINWASHED , they changed from within
and sister , it has went down the pipe into ALL realms of society and all her religoins as well .
WE GOT US a serious problem indeed .
THESE WICKED MEN OF BELIAL have been HANDLING every fabric of society .
THEY BEEN DUG IN and DUG IN WELL into all fabrics of society .
And sister When i say all , me means all . These politicains are OWNED
and when i say owned , sister i mean owned and when i say that i mean BOTH SIDES .
This depths of this depravity and great evil is ALL OVER THE WORLD and they drink from one cup .
And though the cup can appear to be whatever realm it enters , and panders to every realm by appearing
to be OF THAT denomination , of that religoin , of that poltiical side , ITS THE SAME CUP SISTER .
ITS THE SAME CUP and that cup is full of evil and of the agenda .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

That is the absolute worst thing to say to me or to anyone .
HEY BUDDIE what if i wanted to rape
murder , fornicate , molest , lie
HAVE YOU ever once wondered why on earth i dont do as you do .
You always try and pander . you even thank me often
YET you dont beleive a word one outta my mouth .
DID JESUS EVER THANK someone who spoke lies , who spoke contrary to what HE KNEW .
You think its all about being kind and pandering . that my friend is a big mistake .
TRY and visualize JESUS
telling anyone THANK YOU when or if they tried to correct him , or did wrong
and just said HEY friend we all see things a lil different .
YOU ARE in trouble mathew . YOU see the LOVE of GOD and being loving as
SIMPLY trying to be nice or kind . WHICH make no mistake i aint saying we are to be MEAN and hateful ,
You sucked the wrong kinda love down and fast too .
your love dont seem to give a rip one IF THE TRUTH OF JESUS is said or not , or even trod under foot .
YOUR version of love seems rather to pander to man , to humanity , to the UNREPENTANT .
PLEASE BIBLE UP .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

He spoke , as DID JESUS
of the ressurection of the JUST and UNJUST mathew .
Its just the JUST , JUSTIFIED BY CHRIST , their faith IN HIM , got a real lovely ressurection on that day .
those who denied him and or used his name to honor sins and please man , THE UNJUST , wont like their ressurection .
YA have GOT to get in the bible mathew . PLEASE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You could just copy and paste the text in to your post... you know, like normal people

 

[RLT63]

Why is it that so many Christians point fingers and condemn others? Jesus didn't do any of that. He changed people with love. He didn't call out sinners and humiliate them. He didn't find sinners repulsive.

I saw an item on the news last night about how gay and trans people were treated by the UK military. It was appalling. And I realised that some parts of the church still treated gay people very badly. And I thought that Jesus didn't condemn or point fingers.
When he came upon the crowd ready to stone the, adulterous woman he didn't join in with their jeering. He made them all realise that none of them was sinless and their own shame drove them away.

Whenever we, as Christians, are tempted to condemn and point fingers at those we consider to be sinners, we need to remember that we are not sinless either. As well as the 'obvious' sins in our lives there are also the secret ones that are well hidden.

This thought started when a passage in a book I was reading described an old church building as standing there as a way of condemnation to the people of the town. And sadly many people believe that of the church, that is not a place of love, acceptance and grace, but that its main purpose in life is to make people conform to its joyless practises.

So should we, who are the church, be showing them a better way? A way of love and kindness and acceptance. Just as Jesus did?

He pointed fingers and condemned the religious leaders of his time

 

[Verily]

He pointed fingers and condemned the religious leaders of his time

Yes he sure did

Mat 15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Mat 15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;

Mat 15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,

Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

 

[MatthewG]

There is a ton of confusion in the world today, I don't doubt that for a second. Many people think that the bible is authority for instance, when the real authority is God, writing on the minds and hearts of those whom are his. People are his, are faithful and ultimately they love. That is all by and through the holy spirit/spirit of Christ within them. What people say is truth, doesn't mean it is always is. Human beings lie.

 

[MatthewG]

Reminds me of Isaiah 58 which most likely has been posted. I haven’t read all the post.
Isaiah 58:9-11
“Then you will call, and the Lord will answer; You will cry for help, and He will say, ‘Here I am.’ If you remove the yoke from your midst, The pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness, [10] And if you offer yourself to the hungry And satisfy the need of the afflicted, Then your light will rise in darkness, And your gloom will become like midday. [11] “And the Lord will continually guide you, And satisfy your desire in scorched places, And give strength to your bones; And you will be like a watered garden, And like a spring of water whose waters do not fail.

To me (I say this because I get others have different opinions): “if you remove the yoke from your midst, the pointing of the finger and speaking wickedness…” to me it means removing the yoke of condemnation and pointing of the finger to glorify and roll around in the arrogance of the flesh. Others may say pointing out others wrongs are needed and actually called love. But in the passage where they were glorifying one who had his fathers wife…it was their pointing their fingers, gossiping, being arrogant and prideful against the one who did these deeds. They were rolling around in their pointing of the finger to lift theirselves up instead of mourning. (Imo) in the end of that passage Paul sums them all up with the evil one which is to be put out. (The yoke removed from among you of pointing fingers)




Consider the church and religion puts a heavy weight on trans and gays to be the ones to cry out to God to forgive for they know not what they do? When it’s supposed to be the other way around (Imo). Preachers of what is right, but not doers of what they preach?

Agree. Until we can see our own need for grace, mercy and forgiveness…how can there be any humbleness to offer it to others in need?

The crucifix stands out…they gave Him bitterness to drink. He gave them the Living Water when He said “Forgive them Father for they know not what they do.” Those words are Mightily (Imo) those words blowing apart the imagination that evil is overcome by bitterness…instead of if your enemies are hungry feed them, if they are thirsty give them to drink in so doing you pour hot coals upon the enemies head. Can God make even your enemies be at peace with you. He is able? But won’t until the yoke of pointing fingers is removed….???

I liked a lot of what you had to say here, personally. VIJ. Thank you for sharing.

 

[TLHKAJ]

THESE WICKED MEN OF BELIAL have been HANDLING every fabric of society .
THEY BEEN DUG IN and DUG IN WELL into all fabrics of society .
And sister When i say all , me means all . These politicains are OWNED
and when i say owned , sister i mean owned and when i say that i mean BOTH SIDES .

I know, brother. This is not new to me. I was born and raised among them.

 

[quietthinker]

How does this apply to drag queens in the pulpits?

Would you like to elaborate?
Sinners are sinners. All in Adam die...even babies who have done neither good or bad.
God has done something for us for all of us which was no asked for. That's what Paul told the Gentiles....and. some were drawn to their Saviour.

 

[TLHKAJ]

You could just copy and paste the text in to your post... you know, like normal people View attachment 56313

Brother, she could ...but either way, we can read it just fine and the message is the same. :)

 

[face2face]

Why is it that so many Christians point fingers and condemn others? Jesus didn't do any of that.

You should read Matt 12 then come back and rewrite your OP
F2F

 

[Verily]

Would you like to elaborate?
Sinners are sinners. All in Adam die...even babies who have done neither good or bad.
God has done something for us for all of us which was no asked for. That's what Paul told the Gentiles....and. some were drawn to their Saviour.

I was asking you to elebaorate as to what all in Adam have to do with practicing sexually immoral LGBTQ drag queens being in pulpits?

 

[quietthinker]

I was asking you to elebaorate as to what all in Adam have to do with practicing sexually immoral LGBTQ drag queens being in pulpits?

We are all practising sinners on some level.....and it behooves us to be aware of it so that the practice of 'marginalising' other sinners doesn't become our M.O.

 

[Verily]

We are all practising sinners on some level.....and it behooves us to be aware of it so that the practice of 'marginalising' other sinners doesn't become our M.O.

There was only three God named that could actually deliever their own souls by their own righteousness

Ezekiel 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.

And Daniel is shown confessing his sin

Daniel 9:20 And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the LORD my God for the holy mountain of my God;

Do you think Paul is marginalising other sinners here?

1 Cr 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.

1 Cr 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1 Cr 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?

1 Cr 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

He did say in verse 11 To not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Isn't that a little bit more inclusive as far as excluding brethren from ourselves as far as Paul's instructions go?

 

[pepper]

You could just copy and paste the text in to your post... you know, like normal people View attachment 56313

You just gave your example of the very issue the OP addressed.

Well done.

 

[pepper]

Over the years I've browsed a number of forums dedicated to the faith.

Some members bearing the title of Christian behave in a way that makes it seem like they need Christ. They goad the faithful and mock what we hold sacred.

Among our actual sisters and brothers I find we tend to take the idea of being Christ like to the point of judging ourselves too harshly if,when,we feel emotions we think are a fault. Or,that is not what Christ would approve.

Because we think we have to overcome anger,rage,shame,insecurity, depression,sadness,all those many emotions people naturally feel, in order to be a new creation.

And we can fall into insecurity,feeling insecure,wondering if we are His,if we do feel what we think is not allowed for a former fallen worldly and condemned sinner.

If we look at Scripture though we may think to give ourselves a little slack when we remember the Old Testament. God felt there as we do today.

I think we can let ourselves believe our faith is supposed to create in us a new person who never behaves or feels what we use to.

And when those emotions show up we think bad of ourselves and question if we are His.

When we love God and know He loves us it helps to love ourself too. After all,we are a temple carrying Him,the Holy Spirit,within ourselves.

Sanctification is a process. A sacred journey.

Let's be gentle with our self image as we grow in His image and likeness.

*group hugs*

 

[TLHKAJ]

We are all practising sinners on some level.....and it behooves us to be aware of it so that the practice of 'marginalising' other sinners doesn't become our M.O.

The only factor that draws the line is what we do with Jesus. Once we are His, and have come face to face with His immense love, our heart's response is to love Him back. And that love is the basis and what moves us to keep His commandments. We do miss the mark here and there, but with hearts that are toward Him, we endeavor to be a reflection of Him, to glorify Him ...to let our light so shine that other will be pointed to Him. Love moves us to stay on the Potter's wheel, and to be molded into a vessel that glorifies Him. Love moves us to surrender to His process of sanctification.

See what I'm saying? There is a difference in a non believer living in an LGBTQ lifestyle ...and a believer who chooses to resist the process of sanctification and continues to embrace sin.

Now, there is this.....

Galatians 6:1-3
[1]Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
[2]Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[3]For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.

These verses are speaking to the believer who slips up and becomes entangled after they came to Christ.

 

[Pearl]

He pointed fingers and condemned the religious leaders of his time

Because they were hypocrites.