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First Earth Age.

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Christina, Nov 2, 2008.

  1. Pariah

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    Denial? Besides ignoring God's Word about the description of a behemoth, you are going to ignore hard core evidence of a fossilized dinosaur's footprint on top of a fossilized man's footprint? Isn't the belief on your part that dinosaurs became extinct way before man came unto the scene, hence of the former First Earth Age? Pictures are worth a thousand words. Pictures of a recently deceased one had been taken in 1925 for a newspaper.Have all the dinosaurs died out link?There are two photos. If you do not believe the pictures, then go to the source: the newspaper's archives themselves.For a staunch defender of going by the Word of God, you sure are slacking in regards to Job 40. If it is written that we all prophesy in part and know in part, are you unable to give yourself pause that maybe you are wrong about the first earth age?Whatever advise you would give a devout catholic in regards to his beliefs in catholicism, ask Jesus to help you apply them to yourself just to make sure that you are not allowing pride to keep you from acknowledging credible doubts that maybe the first earth age need to be re-examine.... by the Word of God for just as surely catholics can point to selected scriptures for their beliefs while ignoring others that debunks catholicism, I am finding it so with these fables.
     
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    1 Timothy 4:6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained. 7But refuse profane and old wives' fables, and exercise thyself rather unto godliness. 8For bodily exercise profiteth little: but godliness is profitable unto all things, having promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come. 9This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation. 10For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11These things command and teach.Truly, any pursuit of fables is a waste of time as the scriptures says.
     
  3. Jordan

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    With all due respect, this "fables" of what you think aren't fables. It is blasphemous to call God, prophet Isaiah, Jeremiah, apostle Peter and the Saviour who died on a pure cross, a liar, because he himself spoke of an age, in which you are too busy trying to disprove Christ with men's teaching of lies. You don't know what spirit you are of.
     
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    In all respect of 1 Timothy 4:6-11, how does the First Earth Age has anything to do with exercising unto godliness? How does it nourished up the words of faith and of good doctrine of what we had already attained?If you are going to judge by that standard, Jordan, be ready to be judged backYou are calling Jesus a liar when He said angels do not marry nor are given in marriage so the sons of God taken wives taken wives unto themselves to be made one flesh by the Lord for them to be called wives were not angels nor fallen angels. Paul testified by the Holy Spirit that terrestrial follow after their own kind as to their seed. Terrestrial are different from the celestial. At no time did God had created the angels to reproduce. Jesus confirmed this to be so. The Serpent Seed doctrine is the lie of man.You are calling the Word of God a liar when the scriptures refer to the beginning to that first day to call it a first day, but yet you want to read inbetween the lines that there was another age before Adam that would benefit us in the knowledge of Him unto godliness HOW???!!!Your references have been explained and corrected and yet you insist that it plainly supports this teaching whereas taken in context, it does not. If the Lord declares to not heed fables, and you say it is not, and yet it is a secret as if only God cam make one see, and yet by the scriptures, He does not want us to pursue fables but to excerise godliness by the words of faith and good doctrine to be the good minister of Jesus Christ NOW.... then who is resisting the Word of God now?True or false: Did not another poster that believed in the First Earth Age but began to come at it from a diufferent angel by saying that the devil destroyed everything? And yet Christine has to go out of her way to say not the devil, but God did. And yet that this the same reference you had made to me which was not about addressing Lucifer but it was a proverb to the King of Babylon that he was being like Lucifer and thus he will fall as well.In another forum, a poster was sharing convern about a friend whom was a believer but has began preaching that fairys are real and they are to serve us as we are to honour them. Her friend mentions giants and so in generality, pretty much is doing what you guys are doing in acting as if there is something hidden that God did not plainly spoke of.Isaiah 45:17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end. 18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. 19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I declare things that are right. 20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.The only mystery is this one as it has been revealed already.Romans 16:24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. 25Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, 26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: 27To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.Since the world began in having relation to the glory of Jesus Christ as the Saviour.Ephesians 1: 8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; 9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: 10That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:So those in the first earth age has no point in reference to Jesus Christ. Ephesians 3: 2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward: 3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)5Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit; 6That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel: 7Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power. 8Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;Seems to me the first earth age has not been at the forefront on their minds in relation to the mystery of Christ. Indeed, if there was only one age before Adam, they just made references to many ages. And yet they are referring to the ages of mankind as from Adam to the present in how the Gentiles will be of the same body of those the holy apostles and prophets belong to.... thus referring to teh ages that those holy apostles and prophets had lived in.Here is another mystery pertaining to Christ:Ephesians 5:31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.2 Corinthians 11:1Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.And yet in this folly of fables, how do they present believers in Christ as a chaste bride to Christ? Colossians 1: 25Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God; 26Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: 27To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:The first earth age, the serpent seed doctrine, and any other distractions that do not aid in presenting believers as a chaste bride to Christ is doing just that... being a distraction.The strength of this forum is to narrow the way back to the straight gate by weeding out those practises in churches that are not of the faith in Jesus Christ. That is the only way anyone serving Him are presenting the believers to be a chaste bride to Christ.Jesus shall be appearing soon as the bridegroom. Do we really need to be distracted from redeeming the times for surely you know that the days are evil. Any believer could die at any moment. Are they ready? Does this forum have the messages out there to address everything of necessity for the body of Christ in these latter days of the perilous times we are living in? Take a step back and look. May God show you a better course to take. Amen.
     
  5. n2thelight

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    With all due respect Pariah,earth ages and the serpent seed doctrine are not distractions,if understood it aides the believer into seeing the deeper meaning of our Father's Word,ie,the meat of it.Now let me show what Paul meant by being presented as a chast virgin to Christ,spiritually and Physically.SpiritualII Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ."For a young woman to be "espoused" to her husband means that she is completely committed to him, even before the vows have been exchanged. Paul is using this relationship whereby we could understand the emotions of Christ towards His bride. The feeling and commitment goes both ways, and applies to the man as much as it applies to the woman. It is no great secret what causes virginity to be lost, for it is being unfaithful sexually to the one you are espoused to marry. If a woman has been unfaithful, and is with child, how could she expect that she could be accepted by the man she was espoused to, when she is carrying another man's child? Paul is afraid that if Christians start listening to these fairy-tale preachers, they will be taken by the wrong christ, or Satan the Antichrist [the instead of Christ]. Then when Jesus Christ returns at the seventh trumpet, they will be found unworthy to be part of "the bride of Christ". Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 24:19; "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" He was not referring to a mother with a child in her womb, but spiritually speaking, Christians that have given themselves over to the wrong husband. In ignorance they will have been deceived into climbing into the spiritual bed of Satan, and their hearts have been given over to the Satan. PhysicalII Corinthians 11:3 "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."Paul is bringing this event out here in II Corinthians 11:3, where the serpent deceived Eve, and being very subtle about it Satan lied to her. When Satan seduced Eve, a son came from that sexual union named Cain. Paul is saying, "...so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." Your "mind" is something that you think with, and it determines everything you say and do. If your mind is corrupted, then what you say and do becomes corrupted, and the "simplicity" that we have in Christ is also corrupted. Paul is saying that "as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety," it then becomes necessary to know what the Greek word for "beguiled" means. In the Strong's Greek dictionary it is # 1818; "exapatao, ex-ap-at-ah'-o; from 1537, and 538; to seduce wholly: beguile, deceive.""Exapatao" has one meaning and that one meaning is "to seduce wholly". It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand what "to be seduced wholly" means. It means to be sexually seduced completely to where your virginity is take from you. It means that the woman has lost her virginity completely. It is one of those things that you either have or you do not have, for there is no in-between. So the analogy that Paul is using in this verse relating to "exapatao" is also being translated into the English as "beguiled", and "deceived", when it should read, "being wholly seduced".So if you could understand what Paul is saying here, then you would understand completely why the Kenites wearing the priest's robes, and sitting in the seat of Moses. The whole time these scribes were judging Christ, they were so mad they wanted to kill Jesus. Jesus had revealed their secret when He said in Matthew 23:2; "Saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat"." The fact is that they were not of God, nor of any part of Israel and Judah, but of their father the devil, who is Satan. Jesus had exposed their identity, as written in John 8:44.John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, [Satan] and the lusts of your father ye will do. He [Cain] was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Jesus had just identified these Kenite priests and scribes as being the offspring of Cain, the first murderer, who came from that sexual union between Satan and Eve. Satan is the father of lies, and his son Cain was the first murderer. That can't be all that hard to understand. The strenght of this forum is in presenting the deeper truth's in God's Word,thus equipting the believer with the knowledge to know what to expect in the end times that we are now living.Yes Christ shall be returning soon,but the false one pretending to be Him shall come first,and without the knowledge of what to expect even the believer shall be deceived.If a believer should die before this,by virtue of being a believer, should have nothing to worry about.The most important necessity for a believer is that they not be deceived,as that was Christ number one warning.Matthew 24:3 "And as He sat upon the mount of Olives the disciples came unto Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when shall these things be and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"Matthew 24:4 "And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you."This is the number one warning, "Take heed that no man deceive you." Deception will be the foremost thing to guard against in the latter days, that will consummate the end of this age. This means that these events will not happen all at one time, but will take place over a period of time. These warnings or signs that Jesus is about to give us, are the seven seals that are given us in the Book of Revelation. I implore you to heed your own advice,take a step back.Scripture commentary by Roger Christopherson at theseason.org
     
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    EXCELLENT POST !!! [​IMG]
     
  7. Pariah

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    For the last time, meat is for discerning what is of faith, what is not of faith.. what is serving the Lord and what is not serving the Lord, making the distinction between good and evil... thereby presenting the believer as a chaste bride to Christ if you bothered to read down from verse 2 to the 3rd and fourth verses.
    2 Corinthians 11: 3But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.Verse 2 has to deal with putting the extras on the simplicity of the Gospel that moves believers from their rest in Jesus.
    This is where certain comparison end. There is no religious commitment from our part in regards to the relationship we have with Christ excpet on His part as it is His Covenant. Our part is to trust the Lord at His word as trust is the basis for all relationships. Either our eyes are on Him to live by faith or our eyes and focus are divided and thus becoming double-minded in our walk with Him, doing the best we can as if we can finish His work in us by the flesh of keeping our commitments to Him and to follow Him. Either we are known by our faith in Christ to help us live as His or, we are known to the religious world of our commitments, our will, and our flesh to follow Him. Either we are in a relationship by faith or we are in a religion of man in the name of Christianity. We either follow Him by faith or we follow Him by our commitments. We cannot do both for by doing both, we void the faith from being seek as apart from the religious striving being done in the world. A believer's commitment speaks of himself and receives the praise of man. A believer's faith in God speaks of Him as God receives the glory for the good in you and the good that you do.
    All believers that have been chasing after the Holy Spirit when He is in us are being unfaithful to Christ for not coming to the Son directly as the Bride is to come to the Bridegroom.
    Satan deceived Eve by tempting her in eating the forbidden fruit; not by seducing her in having sex with him. If he had done so, there would be no point in saying that Adam knew Eve, and then she concieved, and brought forth Cain. Eve stating that she got a manchild from the Lord was not addressing Satan as Lord. The scriptures explain later what she had meant and that is all children are a heritage from the Lord. Psalm 127:3 Scriptures cannot be broken. Either they are all from the Lord or they are not. To make Eve the first adulterous is a false witness as it is clear that Adam knew Even and THEN she concieved and brought forth Cain.
    This deception is being caused by those that seduce believers into thinking more is required in that they cannot rest in Jesus just yet and they do this by preaching another Jesus, another gospel, another spirit to recieve which they had not received... like preaching another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues when there is only one baptism of the Spirit at salvation.
    No. That is not how it is to be applied. Those that seek another baptism of the Holy Spirit that comes with evidence of tongues are falling away from the faith and for this cause, God will allow a strong delusion for them to believe the lie as they are suffering a thief to break through so they can speak in tongues which comes with no interpretation and is already found in the world as the world has tongues that are gibberish as well.
    Truly wondered if I get you guys in this camp to face off with those in another camp that believes that the Jews are not of Israel, but are the ruling Pharisees and such like as being of the descendents of Esau from the region of Edom, who would win? Nobody.
    I can understand the misconception now, but hardly logical. Jesus specifically referred to their father as being the devil because they would do the lusts of the devil they would do. He never specifically said Cain and therefore cannot switch from the devil to Cain when Jesus referred to the devil killing Adam and Eve by tempting them to eat the forbidden fruit whereby sin came and death by sin. That is how the devil was a murderer from the beginning.So let us read before that verse regarding the identity of those He was rebuking so that we may see how He is rebuking them.John 8: 31Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. 33They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free? 34Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 35And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. 37I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you. 38I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. 39They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. 40But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. 41Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. Jesus PLAINLY acknowledged those He was rebuking as being of Abraham's seed in verse 36 so verse 44 was not being addressed to the Kenites or some secret lineage of Cain as being of the serpent's seed.So it wasn't about a physical lineage at all, but how they'd lived that determined their father as to whom they were serving by their seeking to kill Him. 1 John 3:7Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.Since all had sinned, we were all under the works of the devil till He had saved us, having bought us with a price and sealed as His with that Spirit of promise, thus we have been reconciled to God by faith in Jesus Christ.May God deliver all those that read this at last from the falsehood of the Serpent's Seed doctrine.
     
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    We , as man, the descendants of Adam, God’s first introduction of human life consisting of a body and a spirit (The spirit being put into the body by God, at birth, the body being made by man, thus, procreation) to this world as we know it is the beginning of this dispensation of life as we know it. He is “our” beginning and will be “our” end, regardless of what existed before our existence. Man could have been on this earth hundreds of thousands of years ago, as science teaches. It could have been evolved man or a previous design of God, but not one “in his image”. If science and theology correctly coincide, which I think that they do, then note how man, made in “god’s image” has technologically advanced over the last 6000 years since Adam as opposed to the prehistoric man that science speaks of. Prehistoric man and the anscestors of Adam must be an entirely different species and unrelated. The Bible provides a history of this beginning as well as words for us to live by. As we live here and continue to learn and progress spiritually, we will eventually become “like God” and worthy of his kingdom.
     
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    lloydnook: this from a recent Study:The Age of the Earth Controversy. When ever this subject is debated, the participants quickly form into groups of varying opinion, which usually are the well known, well worn ‘ideas’. There are many 'theories' as to the origin of the Earth and the Universe, but the two main ones are:1) The Big Bang Theory.2) Creation by God. As regards the 'Big Bang', this has been discussed and taught so ably by its proponents, that any comment here would be disregarded as 'unlearned'; which is quite true; as the writer does not study in depth any subject considered superfluous to Truth! As regards Creation by God (the God of the Bible), in the context of the Bible, it is Truth! The major problem is the many wrong interpretations of what is written in the Bible, and what it is actually saying! Most of the teaching of Creation is/was stereotyped on the understanding that the age of the Earth is the same as the age of humankind from Adam, which in the opinion of the writer, and many others is not so! Well meaning Christians have for generations taught and been taught that the earth is approx 6,000 years old; because working back through the data which the Bible provides of the life spans of its main characters from Adam up to Jesus the Christ, gives that time scale, together with the well known dating since Jesus; with minor variation, due to Calendar changes. The mistaken assumption that the two; (the time span of mankind and the age of the earth) are identical, because of the apparent wording of Genesis; has led many sincere and intelligent people to discredit the Bible, by their dogged and dogmatic defence of that idea and teaching, against all attempts to show otherwise. To be fair to them, their task was made worse by the advent of the 'Evolution Theory', in the mid 1800s; which seemed to put 'Science' onto a higher footing than 'Religion'. The many fossil finds around the world since, and the very old datings attributed, gave even more credence to science, and in the minds of many people enhanced the standing of the new discoveries. What is generally not known, is that prior to Darwin's ideas, a few enlightened Bible teachers had for some time been postulating that the age of the earth was probably much older than taught at the time, one such being Professor Thomas Chalmers, a Protestant Theologian, and Mathematician. His teaching was many years prior to Darwin; and therefore he was not trying to accommodate Darwin's Ideas, but was moved by the wording of Genesis. The whole issue took a back seat to some extent, due to the apparent new 'truth' of Darwin's Evolution publications; and the new ideas took root to the extent that by the end of the 20th century many teaching institutions in the Western world will not teach 'Creationism' alongside Evolution! A famous Court case in the USA (Dover), has reinforced that Official position!.The major disservice that some Christians are still perpetrating, albeit well meaning, that the earth is only 6,000 years old; (called Young Earth Creationists, or YECs) onto the population of the world, undermines their witness to the saving Grace of God in Christ Jesus; as people see the fallacy of the statement, and assume that the Gospel of Salvation is therefore also just as false and foolish! They now look to Science for truth, and Satan, with masterful timing, has now wrapped together Evolution and old Earth hypothesis; to give credence to the amounts of time needed for the idea of Evolution to take place! Science, with justification, states that the earth is approx 4.5 to 5.5 billion years old!This timescale has been grasped by the Evolutionist Camp, to justify their 'Steady State' theory; completely disregarding the well known facts regarding 'Mass Extinctions', and worldwide geological upheaval and disruption, which have eliminated all life forms in the past, the remains of which are evident all over the world! The extent and scale of these catastrophic events, left whale bones near mountain tops, and literally Islands made up of animal remains! One well known researcher and writer on this subject is Immanuel Velikovsky and his book "World in Upheaval". Another good author is Gaines Johnson, and his Website 'The Bible, Genesis and Geology'. At this stage, we are left with the interesting notion that mankind has only been on earth for approx 6,000 years, and that the earth is very old, 4 to 5 billion years (4-5000,000,000) at least! We know that fossilised remains of many creatures have been found, and there are certain to be many more undiscovered in the layers of earth’s history over such a period. When thinking of the 6,000 years since Adam, it is a very short time by comparison, and one is reminded of that Biblical statement re Jesus the Christ; that “He came at the end of the Ages”, to deal with sin, Hebrews 9:26. The word for "ages" was mistranslated "world" in the KJV, which gives the wrong meaning.This "age" referred to was originally under the control of Adam, but, he failed at the beginning, but, Jesus the Christ succeeded at the Cross of Calvary; "as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive" 1Cor.15:22. So we see that this "6,000" years is rather different and special. We see that Adam failed at the beginning under test by Satan, but Jesus the Christ intervened 4,000 years later, and by His obedience to His Father throughout His life on earth, and His obedience "even to the death of the cross" Phil. 2:8; He achieved the Victory over sin and death!Philippians 2:9-10, goes on to show the result of Christ's obedience; which shows a very wide result in Heaven, earth, and under the earth. So, what had happened previously? A very good question. What is the Biblical evidence that there was previous life on earth, prior to Adam? What is self evident is that there was previous living creatures, as all the fossils now attest. Starting at the beginning of the Bible, and reading Gen. 1:1 (KJV Companion Bible) we see:"In the beginning God ( Heb. Elohim) created The Heaven/s (the Hebrew word is always plural ) and the earth".It is notable that He created the "heavens" first; but that is another study. Gen. 1:2 states:"And the earth was (became) without form, (waste) and void; and darkness was (became) on the face of the deep".So the corrected text (to the Hebrew) reads: "And the earth became without form, and waste; and darkness came on the face of the deep". Clearly something happened after Gen.1:1, and was between that and Gen.1:2! The fact seems to be that God Himself ended whatever was in that time period between the two verses. The following extract is from www.revelationsmessage.co.uk (Revelation 13:8). V.8And all that dwell upon the earth shall (a)worship him every one whose name is not written in the (b)book of the life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world. (B) "Book of the life of the Lamb slain, from the foundation of the world." The word "foundation" in Greek is "Katabole," which means "overthrow." This seems to have occurred at some stage between Gen. 1:1, and Gen. 1:2. No information is given as to the reason, but is implicit in Almighty God's Plan of Redemption in Christ, as the Lamb's book of life started after that event! Much clarity is given by Paul and Peter regarding this juncture point. It is clear from Eph. 1:4, and 1 Peter 1:20 that some are "known," before the "overthrow," some after. Only Christ and His Body as shown in Eph. 1:4 and Peter 1:20 are "known" before the overthrow (foundation.) Those after are the Jew, and other groups, i.e. perhaps Christendom (religious but not of the Body of Christ,) overcomers of Revelation, and all who must eventually stand before the Great White Thronefor Judgement. Here those after are referred to. Those before are in the opinion of the writer no longer on earth as mentioned earlier, (see chp. 8:1(a,) last para.) Some opinions are that The Lamb's book of life started before the overthrow/foundation, which however is not the writer's view, as that does not concur with Scripture's statements, (see ref. Rev.3:5(c).) What is clear is that The Lamb's Blood is retrospective from the over throw/foundation, and that there are two groupings, those known before and those after. There are a number of other very strong clues to this hypothesis. The basic idea is that of "ruin", brought about by "an enemy"! In 2 Peter 3:5-7, a description is given of a desolate world which almost every body thinks is the post Noah Flood situation. That is certainly not the case. Verse 7 states; "But the heavens and the earth which are now". This clearly does not refer to the world between Gen.1-2, as "now" the heavenly bodies are still intact for their purpose of "light" (which is Gen. 3, after the gap between Gen.1-2!) The post Noah Flood, enabled a "replenishment" of the earth with non-Nephilim bloodstock, of which only Noah's family was able to do, see Gen. 7:1. The reason for the Flood of Noah, is described in Gen. 6, and is a strong clue as to the ending of the previous world of Gen.1:1. A further clue as briefly shown above are the mistranslation of critical words, right at the beginning of the Bible, which serve the purpose of our great enemy Satan, (not forgetting that he had/has the audacity to even try to use Scripture against the Lord of Glory Himself)!The first word is in Gen.1:2, "was", correctly translated became. The word "was" implies a state that God had Created, instead of becoming that way for a reason! Became also shows past tense, which in the error of the translators is not shown!The next error is "without form", corrected to waste, which when put together with the rest of the verse shows that "the earth became waste and dark" (at some stage in the duration of that existence); and clearly at the volition of Almighty God; and for good reason, as hinted above in Gen.6. We know now, due to relatively recent discoveries, that many creatures, both manlike, and great and small creatures have existed in the ancient past. Some seem to be monsters of great size and weird construction. Others in the form of man, but not the same! All are old, some very old, but manlike creatures seem to range in age from 20-30,000 years to millions of years, if the accounts on record are correct.Apparently DNA samples have been collected which show that there is no similarity in these creatures to so called "modern man". This term is used by science to describe humankind, when they want to differentiate between us and fossils of manlike creatures! The apparent fact of DNA dissimilarity does not stop the headlong rush to try to link ancient remains with modern man; and to "prove" Darwin's idea of Evolution, even though before he died, he professed his trust in Christ; (according to Lady Hope), and, many have said his thesis on Adaption is valid, but he had "projected too far"! We are now at the stage of asking why Almighty God destroyed these previous creatures? The answer is only deduced from His Word to us. We know from His Word that God is love! We know therefore that He will not act in any way out of that context! The following is taken from earlier work, to avoid repetition: Revelation Chapter 12V.12 Therefore (a)rejoice ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. (b)Woe to the ones dwelling on the earth, and in the sea, because the devil is come down to you having (c)great anger, knowing he has only a little time."(a) The inhabitants of heaven, exhorted to rejoice. Clearly Satan had for many ages caused great trouble, strife, conflict and much turmoil, beyond our ability to understand, whilst allowed to retain a "place," in heaven. It is also clear that his success persuaded ⅓ of all angels to follow him. His presence is a constant source of pernicious, ongoing divisive action in heaven. Even though heaven's creation know who their Creator is, Satan still has much success in converting angelic creation to his side. One of the many major differences between mankind and angels, is humans will deny the existence of God Almighty, and also Satan. It is implicit that one element is common to both earthly and heavenly creation, free will! It is therefore easy to understand that heavenly creation rejoices at the expulsion of such an adversary, after so long in their midst, and also in the knowledge that Satan's efforts will be short on earth. The question often asked by many over the years, is how could Almighty God allow Satan to exist after such rebellion, and even to be in His presence, to have place in heaven; and patrol earth (Job 1 and 2.) The answer undoubtedly lies in The Perfect Plan of Redemption, that only God could conceive, wherein the Perfect Love of God would allow Satan to perform to his vile worst in heaven as well as earth after the overthrow, all of which is observed by heavenly creation (Eph. 3:10.) Some argue that such a protracted process is wasteful, painful, and suffers great loss of life and environment. That is to miss the main point. It is of course easily possible for Almighty God to eliminate Satan. To do so however prematurely would not allow creation to see the depth of sin that Satan will eventually stoop to. Conversely, the Almighty will be seen by all creation to take the burden and result on Himself, in the form of Christ Jesus (Col. 1:20.) It is thereafter the response to Christ's death and suffering (in the place of all humankind,) which is the key to individuals eternal destiny, on earth and also in heaven, in this age, and eternity! The main thrust for Satan's pernicious attention had been heaven's occupants and the tribes of Israel. Abraham was chosen by God! He was called "the friend of God," (Ex. 33:11, 2Chr. 20:7, Isa. 41:8, Jms. 2:23, because his heart was against the idolatry of his father, and the nation Ur, which derived from Babylon! After Paul's declaration (Acts 28:25-28,) all the world's nations became the subject of Satan’s attention; which showed in the Wisdom of Jehovah Zebaoth, that the failure of Satan at The Cross and the failure of Israel to accept Christ (Acts 28:26,) increased the eventual harvest for Christ / Jehovah. Most people on earth are fixated with their flesh life, which is natural enough. However, God has ordained that they are not content, and can only find rest, peace and understanding in Him, albeit in simple sincere trust, which most people find hard to give unless they encounter Christ, personally. Because all the efforts of Satan are eventually self defeating, and will be seen as such by heavenly and earthly creation, the Almighty in Christ will vanquish Satan, but not until heaven and earth have been reminded that Satan stands for deceit, destruction, suffering, and death, as opposed to the Love, Peace, Justice and Righteousness of Jehovah/Christ. After that reminder, Satan and his followers will be consigned to doom (Rev. 20:10.) All that remains for individuals at the present time (i.e. this age) is to trust in God's work, in Christ Jesus. The timing of the above is in the hands of the Father only (Matt. 24:36,) and His timing is perfect (Matt. 5:48.) The perfect timing of God the Father means that Satan is defeated by perfect Love (a concept totally alien to mankind;) which means that Satan is defeated by Love, which is God (1 John 4:8-16!) Had Satan been destroyed at the time of his rebellion, none of the above could have come into play, and such action by the Almighty would have been seen by creation as dictatorial, and His plan of Love could not unfold to fruition. As the plan now unfolds, God will indeed be seen as Ultimate Love. We know that Satan has rebelled against God, after being appointed the "Covering Cherub"; (Ezek.28:12-15) over God's creation. His wish to be "as God"; (Isaiah 14:12-14).The translation in KJV again errs, as 28:14 should read "thou wast", not "thou art". The reference here, (according to Dr. Bullinger / Dr. Ginsburg is to his appointment over the "world that then was", 2 Peter 3:6!We know that in this Age (of Grace); Satan is trying to do the following: Satan's strategy is:- 1) To obtain the knowledge of creation (Jer. 31:35-37,) (this has been sought avidly by science since approx. AD 1850.)2) To destroy the earth by degradation of all means. (This has accelerated since the start of the Industrial revolution.)3) To destroy Israel. (This has increased in intensity since the 2nd world war.) 4) To destroy faith in God/ Christ. (Satan is permitted to do his best/worst, to kill or prevent belief, faith, or love in Christ!) 1)Satan has been trying to obtain the knowledge of creation from the beginning, and is behind the work of Darwin and others to this purpose. He will not admit defeat, and will persevere in this up to the “Day of the Lord”.2)The attempts to degrade the earth’s environment has accelerated since the Industrial Revolution in the UK, and is a strong sign of the times we are living in, accelerating towards the “Day of The Lord”.3)This effort of Satan has been underway since Abram. As the promises were made by Jehovah God to His people, Satan’s efforts have increased, as was evidenced by the 2nd world war. The fact that the religious life of Israel is dominated by Pharisees, the same group that denied and organized Christ’s crucifixion via the Romans, does not help their situation, nor their denial of Satan as a powerful entity against God, and themselves! Satan’s purpose is to eliminate Israel, so that he can negate God’s promises to the Patriarchs! God has stated categorically that Israel will always exist, and Satan is extremely active in trying to thwart that Promise! Israel, since becoming a Nation again in 1948, are probably close to the OT promised culminations, but unfortunately, have yet to suffer more.They have yet to experience a false leader and situation, which will thankfully be short lived! 4)Satan’s current major thrust is to try to destroy the message of God in Christ. Since the Reformation in the 16th century he has lost his grip on the Word of God through the Roman Church, (although it has crept back to quite a large degree). He has quite successfully transferred corruption and confusion to many Protestant groups, to the extent that many people are held under one form of bondage or another! How has he done this? Quite simply by the same methods he used in the Roman case. He has used the minds of men to distort the Words of God, especially in Christ Jesus. The reformation ethos of re-examining the basic Principles of Doctrine were/are fertile ground for him! We see therefore in the above thesis, that Satan has been involved from the beginning of the earth’s Creation, in attempting to "be as God"!We can only speculate as to all the ways he has been trying to unseat Almighty God; but we can be sure that is his purpose. The creatures of the previous world may well show the many attempts to emulate the power of God, that God has graciously allowed to take place!We know also from Revelation, that Satan has been successful in persuading one third of heavens occupants to join him in his rebellion, and that God allowed this freedom of choice!The lesson is clear; freedom of choice is paramount in Almighty God's Plan of Redemption; and currently that is available in the Person of Christ Jesus! All who will, may come to Him; by freewill!The current population of the world is "in the image and likeness of God in the original creation of Adam and Eve. The loss of “innocence” produced the well-known loss of relationship with God. The remedy by God’s volition is also provided by Him". The fact that "God is Spirit" means that only those who choose in sincerity to bond with Him, can do so "in spirit and in truth" (John 4:23-24); and that through Christ Jesus! This was missing in the previous creation (in the writer’s opinion), and is probable that Satan, as he did prior to Noah, through his agents, brought about a grotesque creature similar to the Nephilim of the Old Testament.God, in His Wisdom, restarted His attempts to bring about a faithful and trusting people with His call of Abram out of Urr. The outcome was as recorded in the Old Testament; and led to the final action of God in Christ Jesus, which due to Israel's rejection, is now on offer to all the world's peoples. This described in: The position of the Jews in Scripture, Old and New Testaments. This thesis proposes that what seemed like failure in the first Creation, was in fact one of the steps taken by God towards the ultimate purpose of dealing with the "mystery of iniquity" (2 Thess. 2:7) e.g: The abject failure of Satan in the first Creation, to "be as God". The failure of Adam/Eve to resist Satan in Eden. The failure of all but Noah's family against the Nephilim, (see: Nephilim;)The failure of "the children of Israel" to obey and honour Jehovah and Moses. The first Advent of Jesus the Christ, His Crucifixion and death; which fulfilled the curse of God on Satan in Eden, (Gen.3:15). Future events: The "peace covenant for Israel". The appearance of Anti-christ. The Tribulation of Satan on Israel. The simultaneous Tribulation (Wrath of God) on the unbelieving nations of the world. The "Battle of Armageddon", when many nations will try to eliminate Israel. The Second Advent of Christ, in "Power and great Glory". The judgement of the nations by Christ, into "sheep and goats" Matt. 25:31-46. The establishment of The Millennial Reign of Christ/God from Jerusalem.In all of the above, Satan will still attempt to "be as God". He will be present in the Anti-christ, theTribulation of Israel, the nations attempting to eliminate Israel; and his defeat will not be evident, until "the remnant of Israel" are saved by Christ Himself! It is not until this stage that Satan will be bound, and cast into "the bottomless pit".Satan, even at this stage has further to go; but will be bound for 1,000 years; when his final attempt "to be as God" will be enacted, prior to his destruction. At that time Almighty God will be totally vindicated, and will be seen by all to be, "Ultimate Love". Subjectindex
     
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    This explains where to find the 1st earth age: Genesis - Greek, 'generation', 'creation'. Original Hebrew title is Bereshith - “in the beginning" the- H853 - entity, emphasis each separate. The word 'was' in Hebrew is 'hayah', meaning "to become, to exist, or come to pass". This word 'was' is in italics in much of The Old Testament, as it was added by the King James translators, because there is no verb 'to be' in the Hebrew. So this word 'hayah' in the Hebrew should be interpreted as 'became', i.e., past tense. The phrase 'without form' in the Hebrew is 'tohu', meaning to 'lie waste, a desolation, vain' (Strong's no.8414). And the word 'void' is 'bohu' in the Hebrew, meaning 'an undistinguishable ruin'. (Strong's no. 922). The earth became a 'desolation', a 'ruin'. In Isaiah 45:18 that God said He did not create the earth "tohu" (the Hebrew word tohu appears there again as 'in vain', meaning a waste, a desolation). Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I [am] the LORD; and [there is] none else. In II Peter 3:5, Peter makes a distinction between 'the world that then was' verses 'the heavens and earth which are now.' - 2 Pet 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: ((Note this IS NOT Noah's flood)) See next verse as to why not-- 2 Pet 3:6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: This word 'world' is kosmos in the Greek, which does not mean 'soil' like the earth, but an 'orderly arrangement' or 'order' of things, i.e., the first creation, a time, an age that God referred to in Isaiah 45:18 (see Strong's no.2889). Well what is this word 'perished'? It is apollumi in the Greek, and means 'to destroy fully, a ruin', roughly equal to the word tohu in Hebrew (Strong's no.622). This is not speaking of Noah's flood, for apollumi means everything was destroyed, the earth literally wiped clean of all its inhabitants, no man, no birds, no Ark, nothing, a desolation. This Greek word apollumi was used all throughout the New Testament to also mean those who will be 'blotted' out in the eternity, in the 'lake of fire'. And guess what? The word Apollyon, which is another name for Satan written in Rev.9:11, is derived from the root of apollumi, 'to perish', and furthermore, that's how we know that 'the son of perdition' as written II Thess.2 is Satan himself, not Judas. (Strong's nos.623 & 622. It was the rebellion of Satan during that first earth age that caused God to destroy that time. That's why one of Satan's nicknames (Apollyon) is tied to II Peter 3:6, and 'the world that then was'. Jer 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge. This fourth Chapter of Jeremiah is about God being angry with His children, because they were following all sorts of idols and abominations, instead of our Father. He is saying that since His people don't search for Him in truth, etc., they thus have no knowledge of the Truth, for to know God's Truth, including that first earth age, is to want to do good. They don't even remember that first 'desolate' state of the earth of old times, and He's getting ready to give them a little reminding of that wasted condition that was a result of Satan's rebellion, to let them know that He's going to put this old earth through another 'trembling' again. Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. Here's the words 'without form' and 'void' again, the 'tohuw va bohuw' covered in Genesis 1:2! So God is bringing into remembrance that time of Genesis 1:2, to them, and to you, if you have 'eyes to see'. That there was 'no light' means that Satan's rebellion had caused a state of utter darkness, spiritually. Consider this verse in Jer.13:16: "Give glory to the LORD your God, before He cause darkness, and before your feet stumble upon the dark mountains, and, while ye look for light, He turn it into the shadow of death, and make it gross darkness." You will find in Rev.6:8 and Hebrews 2:14, that another name for Satan, the devil, is 'Death', so this phrase 'the shadow of death' is referring to Satan, so again, remember that the earth's state of 'desolation' in that first earth age was due to Satan's mutiny against God. Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. The Lord really shook the earth to end that first earth age. Might this 'trembling' have caused the tilt of the earth's axis that caused that instant arctic freeze, and the 90 mile error between the geographic and magnetic pole? 'All the hills moved lightly' means the whole earth was affected, not just partly. Since God's Word is 'Perfect', it accounts for all natural phenomena that happened in the past history of this old earth, and for what is to come. Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. This verse is letting us know that man, and all creation that existed during that first earth age, was gone from the earth, even all the birds. No Noah's ark, no animals, absolutely nothing, so this was an event that took place long before the days of Noah. Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger. All the cities of that first earth age were destroyed, and the 'fruitful place' was a 'wilderness' (desert). Again, this is not the flood of Noah's time, especially since the previous verse tells us that 'there was no man', i.e., not even Noah's ark. Possibly the reason why it is difficult for most people to understand the existence of cities and people living on the earth, in spiritual bodies and not flesh, during the first earth age, is due to tradition, and the fact that many people can't think in the spiritual. Many traditions teach in a way that heaven in God's eternity is not upon this earth, when The Word says that it is. Many would also teach that God's people are just going to 'fly away' into the sky, when that word 'air' in I Thess.4:17 should be properly translated 'spirit', the 'breath', i.e., the spiritual body, which represents the casting off of this flesh age, and the destruction of all works by man on this earth, when Christ returns for the second Advent. (Take a Strong's Concordance and translate that word 'air' in I Thess.4:17 for yourself, then read Gen.2:7 again.) The translation of 'air' to 'spirit', or 'breath of life', is supported by Paul in I Cor.15 where he taught that on the last trump we shall all be changed into a spiritual body, casting off this flesh, as also written in II Peter 3:10, Psalms 97, and Nahum 1. You'll find a more graphic version of the casting off of the flesh body in Zechariah 14. There are many more Old Testament references to The Lord's Day when this 'change' takes place. They all point to the destruction of this world (second earth age) by 'fire', for you'll find in Hebrews 12 that God is a 'consuming fire'. Satan's little propaganda department works overtime in trying to teach that this day of destruction by fire is caused by all other means except what is written. God is The One Who will do it, and not man. If you remember in the Book of Daniel how Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego were protected by The Lord in that furnace, heated seven times hotter (spiritual completion) than necessary, then don't worry if you're in Christ, for we shall not be harmed. Their garments didn't even smell of smoke when they came out of that hot furnace. Don't confuse God's 'consuming fire' with the 'lake of fire'. The 'lake of fire' happens at the end of God's Millennium, the thousand year reign of Christ and His elect on earth that begins when Christ returns for the second Advent. Those who hear The Word then, without any distraction or obstruction, and still choose to follow Satan instead of our Father, will be cast into that 'lake of fire' along with the 'dragon', or Satan. (see Rev.20 - 22). Back to Gen.1:2, and let's cover the last part of that verse: This word 'Spirit' is 'ruwach' in Hebrew, and It means 'wind, by resemblance breath' (Strong's no. 7307). This is when God's Spirit 'spoke', starting the cleansing of that state of 'ruin' and began this earth age we are now in. This act is also referred to in John 3:3-8; Rom.8; Gal.4:29, and II Cor.5. You'll also see this 'ruwach' translated the 'four winds' in several places in the King James Version. Many of you may not understand this, but, this 'light' and 'darkness' here, is not the dividing of a 24 hour period that we all know in this life. You'll notice that God didn't create the separation between earth 'day' and 'night' yet, that is to say, the star called our 'sun' and the planet that orbits the earth called the 'moon', until Gen.1:14. We're still here in Gen.1:5 on the first 'day' or God's period of time (to God, a 'day' is equal to...see II Peter 3:8). Notice that 'Day' and 'Night' are in capitals. Here in verse 5, 'Day' and 'Night' should be understood as separations between 'good' and 'evil', i.e., Christ and Satan, for Christ is that Light, and Satan is that 'darkness'. Well how can this be, you may ask? Turn with me to Isaiah 60:19: Isa 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory. Isa 60:20 Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy mourning shall be ended. Hey, this hasn't happened yet friend! It's too bad that many refuse to believe that there will be no 'sun' or 'moon' in the LORD's eternity. I guess God's Word is just too 'far out' for them. This is mentioned again in Rev.21 and 22. The eternity, or last earth age will be the 'putting back' of the original state which God made His creation, therefore, in that first earth age, there was no 'sun' or 'moon', because God was that 'Light'. There was no 'darkness', literally! Try to imagine dividing 'time' when you don't have a sun or moon, no sunlight, no moonlight, only 'Light'. You have to think with your spiritual mind to understand this. Mat 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. G2602 καταβολή katabolē kat-ab-ol-ay' From G2598; a deposition, that is, founding; figuratively conception: - conceive, foundation. Begins the 2nd earth age after the katabole. http://www.docrob.100megsfree5.com/Katabole.htm In addition... One of the most beautiful things about the Bible is the fact that it aligns perfectly with science. Jer. 4 without question was not refering to the flood of Noah. Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled. We know there were both "man" and "birds" during the flood of Noah. For example.... Job 38 : 7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? This chapter describes the creation of the constellations. Yet, we can see those "sons of God" were obviously already created. We were there. The word "eons" in the Greek describes a period of time dating back much further then only 6,000 years ago. 2 Peter 3 1This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance: Paul is asking us to try and remember that 1st earth age and goes on to describe it. We can see the evidence of that 1st earth age when we see fossils at the peeks of mountain tops dating back millions of years ago.Hope this helps... God bless:)
     
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    I am so happy to see some posts here that see this truth of the 3 earth ages and can back it up .... It makes my day to see those who truly study to know his word over mens traditions :)
     
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    I have so much to discover on this forum!I have never known Christians to be this open and wise as to understand the things I'm reading here! Especially on this very Thread.Thank you Christina for that first post.I have 50 posts here to read and learn from.I am amazed.Sincere thanks,Miss Hepburn
     
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    Did God place false geologic evidence of repeated ice ages, extremely slow incremental spreading of the MidAtlantic Ridge, repeated cataclysmic bombardments by monolith asteroids requiring centuries for deposition of an iridium layer and atmospheric recovery, the occurrence of panglobal temperatures exceding 1000 degrees farenheit with the recovery of Earth's biosphere, and site consistent magnetic bands showing Earth's magnetosphere has reversed many dozens of times just to have His Believers say the Earth is only 10,000 or fewer years old?
     
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    Maybe!
     
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    yes and then he made the speed of light wrong and all other science wrong All based on what men has concluded?
    So my question is sense God never says how old the earth is and never says its just a few thousand years old.
    Only Men do .......

    Why is it we somehow think its OK to believe some men,with no proof and call all the others that actually have some evidence wrong?

    God word only says that Adam is some 6000 years old, Adam is not the earth,

    God Word also proves evolution as false, as it requires uninterrupted time, which God clearly states wasn't the case
    So God both literly and scientifically tells you which is the truth ,but men are
    so intent on proving some men right and others wrong they cant hear what God says ....

    He loved us enough to tell us a mystery that earth was before (long before us)
    but we are so arrogant we tell him keep your mysteries to yourself we know better some men have said
    and the argument goes on ............

    The earth is very old millions to billions of years ...Flesh Man is only 6000 years old.
     
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    Excellent post.
    So Lucy and others were from the First Earth Age. Makes sense.
    Aren't there other discoveries that place modern man - older than 6000 years?
    Thanks.
     
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    We've been measuring the rate of the shrinkage of the 'sun' accurately for the past 50 years. Mercury exists. If you put the sun's shrinkage in a computer model and reverse time you'll find there is no billions of years from science.

    In Heaven are represented the four cherbiums and not FIVE; why, the fifth was kicked out and fellt earth. I saw Satan fall like lightening to earth. The reptile kingdom is no longer represented in Heaven.

    I do not believe Adam had a wife prior to Eve.

    The old age bones have been proven to be a lie. the 33,000 missing links are missing because they do not exist. London man was a man. Peking man was monkeys and the list of lies goes on. When the eveloutionists find a bone it's front page. When science proved what it is; it is in fine print 2 pages from the end. I don't think you'll find mamals outside of this percession.
     
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    No one said Adam had a prior wife Samuel
    you know it seems you read nothing just make statements of opinions and then claim you have right because you are a Christian
    well many are called but few are chosen ...
    Your opinions are not what the Word says they are just that opinions and everybody has one
    I am really tired of hearing your excuse for misrepresenting everything everyone says with no knowledge of what you are saying is that you are a christian
    insinuating everyone else is not .
     
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    I hear these things on here that there was no flood or 'Oh it was only 23' and everyone else was no in it' --- bunk.


    Below: rate of the shrinkage of the sun. I am not the one measuring it. It is the USA government. Their numbers would have it engulf Mercury some billions of years ago. And, the earth would be a cinder. Just science; not my science. When one looks at the Mayan, Hopi, Greek, Egypt dates of things to arrive at 21 DEC 2012 then one can also look in the oppostie direction. These published things and science are not mine. You can read them si vous plait.

    We've been measuring the rate of the shrinkage of the 'sun' accurately for the past 50 years. Mercury exists. If you put the sun's shrinkage in a computer model and reverse time you'll find there is no billions of years from science.

    In Heaven are represented the four cherbiums and not FIVE; why, the fifth was kicked out and fellt earth. I saw Satan fall like lightening to earth. The reptile kingdom is no longer represented in Heaven.

    I do not believe Adam had a wife prior to Eve.

    The old age bones have been proven to be a lie. the 33,000 missing links are missing because they do not exist. London man was a man. Peking man was monkeys and the list of lies goes on. When the eveloutionists find a bone it's front page. When science proved what it is; it is in fine print 2 pages from the end. I don't think you'll find mamals outside of this percession.

    The eveloutionists like to prey on 'a' bone and invent a bunch more bones to prove something or nothing. They were saying the reptiles looked one way 60 yrs ago and now they show them differently. Do you think Lucy was/is something besides a monkey? I think the Bible's model is good, correct and accurate.
     
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    That is exactly my point you take one statement by someone that isnt even in the bible
    then assume thats what the entire thread is about give us an opinon that has no scripture what so ever
    and judge everyone as unchristian but you
    the title of this thread is the first earth age it is scriptual and it is written rather you get it or not.
    Do you have an biblical based opinion on that ..
    can you show me where the bible says the earth is only 6000 years old ?

    The thread isnt called Adams first wife we all know thats not written in the word
    we dont you to tell us that.
    But can you biblical prove the earth is only 6000 years old that there was not a an
    age before this one ? Telling me some mans opinion of the sun means nothing to me
    it proves nothing its simply a statement you made.
     
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