Flat Earth Theory

[David in NJ]

To be fair, I don’t think the Bible describes the earth or our world in such a way as we are being taught. And it’s perfectly fine to prove from the Bible that the earth is flat, even though I would not go to the prophets for that, since they use imagery a lot. Genesis 1 should do.

But, right now, acknowledging the fact that the Bible gives no credence to our “modern”, heliocentric world system, I nevertheless am more interested if there is real evidence for a conspiracy of that kind, for the very reasons I have given in my previous posts. You know, there were strong words put in here, like NASA being satanic, and after I required some proof for such assertions, nothing came back. Here’s what I am referring to:

Flat Earth Theory

Thats not good if someone makes strong claims without backing it up. So even tho I am open for the possibility of such a conspiracy to take place & be real, because I believe to deny anything a priori is a sin, I nevertheless want to have some proof presented before I give further credence to that mere possibility.

Good Morning and thank you again for showing genuine interest in Scripture versus what the world teaches us.

You know, there were strong words put in here, like NASA being satanic,

Here is more evidence from Scripture = 1 John 5:19 "the whole world is under the control of the wicked one"

NASA origins = Jack Parsons and the Occult Roots of JPL –

 

[Psalm-147:3]

To be fair, I don’t think the Bible describes the earth or our world in such a way as we are being taught. And it’s perfectly fine to prove from the Bible that the earth is flat, even though I would not go to the prophets for that, since they use imagery a lot. Genesis 1 should do.

But, right now, acknowledging the fact that the Bible gives no credence to our “modern”, heliocentric world system, I nevertheless am more interested if there is real evidence for a conspiracy of that kind, for the very reasons I have given in my previous posts. You know, there were strong words put in here, like NASA being satanic, and after I required some proof for such assertions, nothing came back. Here’s what I am referring to:

Flat Earth Theory

Thats not good if someone makes strong claims without backing it up. So even tho I am open for the possibility of such a conspiracy to take place & be real, because I believe to deny anything a priori is a sin, I nevertheless want to have some proof presented before I give further credence to that mere possibility.

For me personally, I was a scientist and mocked people believing flat earth. Not too long after I became a Christian, God nudged me to do reseach about NASA, and I wondered why and that has nothing to do with being a Christian. But from there, He lead me to the Truth about His Word and that the earth is indeed like He says in His Word. And that really made me more free and I could appreciate His creation much more because I understood rainbows, thunders, the color of the sky, why stars are blinking, the Northern lights, the issue with the flight routes I always wondered there is something wrong and many other things. So if you just pray and ask for His guidance, He will do it. Of course for me it wasnt easy, I was the only one around who suddenly changed my view on that and was mocked by other Christians even, but it doesnt matter, because it is the truth no matter what any man says. What God says matters above all.

 

[Shalomhalom]

What proof would you need? Maybe personal witnesses?

That would be a start. Because I realise that, upon the supposition of such a conspiracy, hard & solid evidence that is not purely testimonial may be hard to find. Though I don’t deny there may be, I even am sure there must be some clues somewhere.

Here is more evidence from Scripture = 1 John 5:19 "the whole world is under the control of the wicked one"

I know that, and believe that, since all unbelievers are said to be under the power of Satan. But I still make a difference between that general control of Satan of all unbelievers, and then a more special control over people who are more intimately & personally in league with him, like witches are with evil spirits. I do that because in my honest opinion this is required for such a conspiracy to take place.

On your link I will take a look, thank you.

But from there, He lead me to the Truth about His Word and that the earth is indeed like He says in His Word.

I mean that is perfectly fine & sound for a Christian. If God says it, that settles it. I am not going to judge you for that.

Its just some form of personal interest now for me, digging deeper into such a conspiracy, upon foundations other than Gods word, since that doesn’t help with the specific questions I am asking right now; it may help only generally.

 

[talons]

The Antarctica treaty.

You too can go discover the truth !

Flat-Earthers Went to Antarctica to Prove the Earth is Flat—What They Discovered Left Them Speechless

I think you are the only one here in this thread who is really interested in the truth, rather then just mocking the other party. Praise God!

Think again .

 

[David in NJ]

You too can go discover the truth !

Flat-Earthers Went to Antarctica to Prove the Earth is Flat—What They Discovered Left Them Speechless


Think again .

YES my Brother in CHRIST = please "think AGAIN" = Romans 12:2
and Good Afternoon

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what is the good, pleasing, and perfect will of God."

When we are Born from Above, the Journey Begins for us to "Think Again" according to our Heavenly FATHER = ABOVE

 

[HealthyShape]

89 pages or pre-scientific nonsense and absurd conspiracy thinking. Ignore them, pay them no attention and the flat earthers will die out. It does not work in the real world, so their only way is this online fantasy world.

 

[David in NJ]

89 pages or pre-scientific nonsense and absurd conspiracy thinking. Ignore them, pay them no attention and the flat earthers will die out. It does not work in the real world, so their only way is this online fantasy world.

GOD shakes His Head while Satan loves this type of response!

Shoo away the Holy Spirit = aka The Spirit of Truth

All you need to do is place your trust in "the men of renown"

 

[talons]

YES my Brother in CHRIST = please "think AGAIN" = Romans 12:2
and Good Afternoon

Afternoon already ! ? I must seek out nourishment , LOL .

Amen !

Romans 12:2 Context​

1I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. 3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith. 4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

 

[amigo de christo]

Who is Satan?
What power does he hold?
How long has he been involved in human affairs?
How much authority and control does he exert on human affairs?

How long have you been alive on earth and from whom did you learn?

@talons , these questions apply to you and everyone = no one is exempt.

The father of lies .
The powers of darkness
Since the garden wherein he tempted eve .
He is the prince of the power of the air and controls all that are the children of the flesh
Which means He manipulates and is able to manipulate
ALL whose faith BE NOT IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
guess you know why i been warning so much about the ORIGINAL GOSPEL
that sure did remind folks of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST
and TO FLEE ANY AND ALL , no matter how well wrapped in wool they can appear , DO have anything
to do in any way with ecumenicalism .
CAUSE I PROMISE ITS ALL OF ANTI CHRIST , NOT CHRIST , its of satan NOT GOD
but marvel not that many buy into it .
For even satan can appear as an angel of light
and so too can the minstirs of satan appear in wool and decieve many . ON THE DAY OF THE LORD
every man , and every woman will know whether i was a liar or whether i spoke the simple truth .
BUT MY ADVICE IS , THEY better KNOW IT BEFORE THAT DAY
cause any and all who were wrapped up in its false love god , and i do mean god and not GOD
are gonna be told words that would send total terror into the bravest of men
WHEN JESUS HIMSELF says TO THEM , DEPART F ROM ME INTO EVER LASTING FIRE prepared for the devil
and his angels and all WHO BOUGHT AND LOVED A LIE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

The father of lies .
The powers of darkness
Since the garden wherein he tempted eve .
He is the prince of the power of the air and controls all that are the children of the flesh
Which means He manipulates and is able to manipulate
ALL whose faith BE NOT IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
guess you know why i been warning so much about the ORIGINAL GOSPEL
that sure did remind folks of the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE ON CHRIST
and TO FLEE ANY AND ALL , no matter how well wrapped in wool they can appear , DO have anything
to do in any way with ecumenicalism .
CAUSE I PROMISE ITS ALL OF ANTI CHRIST , NOT CHRIST , its of satan NOT GOD
but marvel not that many buy into it .
For even satan can appear as an angel of light
and so too can the minstirs of satan appear in wool and decieve many . ON THE DAY OF THE LORD
every man , and every woman will know whether i was a liar or whether i spoke the simple truth .
BUT MY ADVICE IS , THEY better KNOW IT BEFORE THAT DAY
cause any and all who were wrapped up in its false love god , and i do mean god and not GOD
are gonna be told words that would send total terror into the bravest of men
WHEN JESUS HIMSELF says TO THEM , DEPART F ROM ME INTO EVER LASTING FIRE prepared for the devil
and his angels and all WHO BOUGHT AND LOVED A LIE .

@amigo de christo

 

[ProDeo]

I don’t say it’s impossible. But when I think about the connectedness of our modern world, I have a really hard time imagining that all the cornerstones of today’s world are into it, in some way. It would mean Trump, Putin and Jinping, or at least the “government” they represent, all know about it, working together to bring about this great scheme. Do you know what that would mean, what that would imply?

Also, when you think about how this all started. It was soon after World War II. From then, no, it probably had to be before that time, they were already united in such a way as to get through with it, not fearing opposition from anyone, no one dared to prove them wrong or anything. They all went along with it, producing the necessary media and education to deceive the whole world, successfully.

Frankly, that doesn’t make any sense. If this really is the case, that would have to mean that all the higher officials, statesmen, scientists, all the people who had any sort of power or influence, would have to be united in some form of secret society, from where they could, together, plan this whole thing in such a way as to get through with it, without any disturbance from the outsiders, without any suspicion or whatever.

So, is all of this possible? Sure it is, but what is the evidence? I don’t mean the evidence of the flat earth right now, but evidence for the conspiracy itself. And that’s what I don’t see. I don’t see any evidence for that, although I admit I haven’t looked into that stuff, considerably. And I mean, that’s understandable. Because, upon the supposition that there is such a conspiracy, surely they would make sure, as I have written above, logically, to hide themselves as good as they can, with the result that it is hard to get any concrete evidence. I understand that, too. But I don’t think it’s possible to hide such a conspiracy a hundred percent.

Since my mind likes to connect dots, I automatically see what it would mean if there really is this grand conspiracy. I basically couldn’t trust anything from any state of any significance. That’s a really hard sell.



I believe all that. But Satan also needs to use means, as he made use of the snake in the garden. And in our world today, if this grand conspiracy is true, I really don’t see any other way for all of this to work but upon the supposition of a secret society, which involves all the mighty men in the world, and then probably also itself under the head and leadership of Satan himself, or any of his angels, since all of that is so incredible. No human could come up with that kind of thing, in my opinion.

Agree, the story (conspiracy) is too big to be believable.

 

[Psalm-147:3]

Agree, the story (conspiracy) is too big to be believable.

Because of fear. It scares you, so that's why it is more comfortable to reject it and live in peace. But it is false peace and living in a world full of lies and falling for it. The truth is often scary and uncomfortable. But we have Someone, who can help us to overcome these fears and we can rest in Christ. So then this truth does not bring fear but freedom

 

[Shalomhalom]

Because of fear. It scares you, so that's why it is more comfortable to reject it and live in peace.

I assure you, even though the thing may be really fearful to some, that’s not the reason I reject it. I am trying to look at it objectively, and I currently just don’t see such evidence as might give credence to such a theory. I believe we should not jump to conclusions too early, that most of the time doesn’t end well.

 

[Rudometkin]

I assure you, even though the thing may be really fearful to some, that’s not the reason I reject it. I am trying to look at it objectively, and I currently just don’t see such evidence as might give credence to such a theory. I believe we should not jump to conclusions too early, that most of the time doesn’t end well.

What do you think of the Apollo moon landing?

If you perceive that as being faked, does that count as evidence of conspiracy, that opens the door to a globe earth hoax?

I mean if they faked the moon landing, does the flat earth theory seem more plausible to you?

 

[Shalomhalom]

What do you think of the Apollo moon landing?

If you perceive that as being faked, does that count as evidence of conspiracy, that opens the door to a globe earth hoax?

I mean if they faked the moon landing, does the flat earth theory seem more plausible to you?

I am not so strict on the moon landing. They could have very well faked it. But suppose they did fake it. That’s a one time event. No one can really “check” if they went there 50 years ago. But this is totally different from asserting the whole space thing is fake, and the form of our world. That’s a constant thing, easily checkable by I don’t know how many countries or governments in this world. Because they all suppose space is real, the earth is as taught in school, they all do scientific work, currently, year after year, about those very subjects. Our world is literally build upon this very assumption of our world being a globe and space being real. That’s different than one country going to the moon 50 years ago.

I hope you understand my point.

I tell you, when you can prove to me that there is a conspiracy, this set of powerful men from all over the world working together to bring this about, it would change everything. Because all the above (what I just wrote) can also rationally and reasonably be thought about when the means are really there to make it possible. And the means, in my honest judgment, can only be a powerful, secret & worldwide conspiracy.

 

[ProDeo]

Because of fear. It scares you, so that's why it is more comfortable to reject it and live in peace. But it is false peace and living in a world full of lies and falling for it. The truth is often scary and uncomfortable. But we have Someone, who can help us to overcome these fears and we can rest in Christ. So then this truth does not bring fear but freedom

What a nonsense.

Matt 22:36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?”
Matt 22:37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.

My God given mind tells me that the conspiracy you believe in can not be true.

Just logic.

It can only be true if you believe the devil is so powerful he has millions of lying demons in human form to control the rest of us.

 

[Rudometkin]

Our world is literally build upon this very assumption of our world being a globe and space being real.

I do appreciate what you're saying. The only reason I'm only quoting this part is because of time purposes (at our first doctor appt. for wife's pregnancy - everything is going great!).

Apparently, our world is not built on the assumption of being a globe. There are apparently (seem real to me, but how would I really know?) several government/military documents that teach to assume a flat, non-moving earth. This would mean, in a sense, the world is built on the assumption of being flat.

Will reshare a link to those documents later today, and look forward to furthering our conversations later.

 

[David in NJ]

Agree, the story (conspiracy) is too big to be believable.

Too Big to be believable:

a.) God came to earth as a man = the Word was God
b.) All things were created thru the Word that was God
c.) Jesus never sinned
d.) Jesus healed all manner of sickness
e.) Jesus is the Way the Truth the Life
f.) No one comes to the FATHER but thru the only Savior = JESUS the CHRIST
g.) Jesus raised the dead/Lazurus and others
h.) Jesus took on Himself the Sins of the Entire Human Race(who BELIEVE the WORD) from Adam to the very last soul that will believe on Him for Salvation
i.) Jesus rose from the Dead and Ascended back to Heaven from where He Came

******** The BAPTISM in/of the HOLY SPIRIT ********

j.) Jesus is Coming Again to Raise the Dead in Him
k.) Satan is the god of this age/world
l.) No one can escape the power of Satan and Death except thru the LORD Jesus Christ
m.) No one can come to God unless the FATHER Calls them to CHRIST
n.) All have sinned = there is none good, no not one!!!
o.) Satan will soon bring about the MARK that will unite those who receive it with Satan
p.) NO FORGIVENESS for anyone who takes the MARK
R.) Resurrection unto Immortal Glorified Bodies in the Likeness of CHRIST = Only for those who are in CHRIST
s.) Satan is loosed from prison AFTER the 1,000 Literal Years of the Glorified Saints Ruling with Christ
t.) Final Destination, Lake of Fire, for Satan and all who did not receive the Love of God given in the Lord Jesus Christ
u.) New Heaven and New Earth
victory = New Jerusalem comes down from Heaven to the New Earth
Xtra =
“Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man,
and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people,
and God Himself will be with them as their God.
‘He will wipe away every tear from their eyes,’
and there will be no more death
or mourning or crying or pain,
for the former things have passed away.”

And the One seated on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” Then He said, “Write this down, for these words are faithful and true.” And He told me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give freely from the spring of the water of life. The one who overcomes will inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

I do appreciate what you're saying. The only reason I'm only quoting this part is because of time purposes (at our first doctor appt. for wife's pregnancy - everything is going great!).

Apparently, our world is not built on the assumption of being a globe. There are apparently (seem real to me, but how would I really know?) several government/military documents that teach to assume a flat, non-moving earth. This would mean, in a sense, the world is built on the assumption of being flat.

Will reshare a link to those documents later today, and look forward to furthering our conversations later.

GOD Bless your Wife, the Gift of Life inside Her and You

 

[David in NJ]

I am not so strict on the moon landing. They could have very well faked it. But suppose they did fake it. That’s a one time event. No one can really “check” if they went there 50 years ago. But this is totally different from asserting the whole space thing is fake, and the form of our world. That’s a constant thing, easily checkable by I don’t know how many countries or governments in this world. Because they all suppose space is real, the earth is as taught in school, they all do scientific work, currently, year after year, about those very subjects. Our world is literally build upon this very assumption of our world being a globe and space being real. That’s different than one country going to the moon 50 years ago.

I hope you understand my point.

I tell you, when you can prove to me that there is a conspiracy, this set of powerful men from all over the world working together to bring this about, it would change everything. Because all the above (what I just wrote) can also rationally and reasonably be thought about when the means are really there to make it possible. And the means, in my honest judgment, can only be a powerful, secret & worldwide conspiracy.

It was NOT a "one time event"

Think Dear Brother = Think TRUTH = Thy Word is Truth