Four horseman in Revelation

[soberxp]

Does anyone have a fairly good understanding of who these 4 horseman represent?

The 4 horseman represent the beast.666.

Do they take place during / at the end times or are they affecting us today (and by today I mean during the past XXX years after the cross)?

Thanks.

Revelation 6:

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see. 2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer. 3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse [that was] red: and [power] was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword. 5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand. 6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and [see] thou hurt not the oil and the wine. 7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see. 8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Four beasts saying, fourth part of the earth(up,down,left,right),take peace from the earth.(means the whole world)

 

[TribulationSigns]

The 4 horseman represent the beast.666.

 

[TribulationSigns]

IMO "four horsemen" (Revelation 6:1-8) is figurative/apocalyptic language .

o White horse = war in Middle East
o Red horse = more war in Middle East
o. Black horse = famine caused by all this war
o Pale horse = death due to war, starvation, pestilence

Sigh...

 

[soberxp]

Don't tell me you think this is the 4 angels that sent by God.
Not every word and phrase that appears in the Bible has a positive meaning; perhaps it refers to the arrival of darkness.

The 4 horseman represent the beast.666.



Four beasts saying, fourth part of the earth(up,down,left,right),take peace from the earth.(means the whole world)

IMO "four horsemen" (Revelation 6:1-8) is figurative/apocalyptic language .

o White horse = war in whole world
o Red horse = more war in whole world
o. Black horse = famine caused by all this war
o Pale horse = death due to war, starvation, pestilencep

 

[CTK]

The Catholic Church was holding the Middle East together for many years. The Pope had an army. Eventually some Catholics got upset that the Pope was calling himself the Vicar of Christ (God tells the Pope, the Pope relays the message). These Catholics protested, forming "Protestant" denominations, and inappropriately reading the Pope into the Bible.

I see the "Little Horn" to be a charismatic person who brokers a peace between Israel and other Middle-Eastern Countries, supports rebuilding the Jewish Temple, then takes his seat there, showing himself to be God (2Thessalonians 2:4).

Ok and thanks for your comments!

 

[Wick Stick]

Don't tell me you think this is the 4 angels that sent by God.

The Rider on the White Horse is identified in chapter 19 as the Lord Jesus, and the heavenly host is following Him to the earth:

Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Not every word and phrase that appears in the Bible has a positive meaning; perhaps it refers to the arrival of darkness.

o Pale horse = death due to war, starvation, pestilencep

The Rider on the Pale Horse is identified as Death. That "hell follows with him" seems to indicate that he leads an army of the damned.

 

[William Barton]

There are varying opinions on Revelation, since it is "apocalyptic" literature, hence unclear. But I think it is clear that there was no widespread concept of a spherical planet earth in Biblical times. Yes, there were some who proposed it. In fact there are people today who do not believe the earth is spherical.

666 ("number of the beast," Revelation 13:18) does not appear to be explained in the text. Seven is the number of perfection, hence in that sense the beast with three 6's is triply "short of perfection.'

 

[William Barton]

The Catholic Church was holding the Middle East together for many years (the Pope had an army). Eventually some Catholics got upset that the Pope was calling himself the Vicar of Christ (God tells the Pope, the Pope relays the message). These Catholics protested, forming "Protestant" denominations, and inappropriately reading the Pope into the Bible.

I see the "Little Horn" to be a charismatic person who brokers a peace between Israel and other Middle-Eastern Countries, supports rebuilding the Jewish Temple, then takes his seat there "showing himself to be God" (2Thessalonians 2:4). He has various names, one is "Anti-Christ."

 

[Marty fox]

Thank you and I will look at your response this evening, best wishes!

Hello again, please know that i'm not pushing on this just want to know( whenever you can) if you have ever thought of my view before.

 

[CTK]

Thanks but that’s not how I see it. I see the little horn as Antiochus Epehanies and the fourth empire as Greece not Rome.

Hope you do not mind, but Epiphanes has absolutely nothing to do within the Book of Daniel. Most scholars contend that he is prominately discussed in chapter 11 but he is not found in chapter 11 or any other chapter. He can not be the little horn because the little horn came out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome not the 3rd kingdom of Greece. Chapters 2 and 7 and even in 8 you will find the 3rd kingndom identified as the kingdom of Greece.

If the rock (the kingdom of God) didn’t strike the statue until Christ first came, then how could the rock destroy all four kingdoms with one strike when three of those kingdoms were long gone before Christ first came?

Marty, sorry for not responding until now. Ok, I hope the following makes some sense here. Thean"Stone" (Messiah) in 2:34 represents His first coming while verse 2:35 represents His return. Daniel chapter 2 is presented as God's blueprint which offers the big picture for His plan of restoration and salvation for His people, His city and of course, all of mankind through the cross. Chapters 7, 8, 9 and 11 will go into great detail of the events and actors that will be found WITHIN the chapter 2 frame.

Therefore, in the "dream sequence" of chapter 2, God provides us with the identification of the 4 and only 4 kingdoms and the two actions that will take place - His first coming and His return in 2:34 and 2:35, respectively.

Therefore, the first strike of the Stone or 2:34 does NOT destroy the 4 kingdom metal man image but it only strikes the iron and clay within the feet to symbolically separate them. Because the clay represents His people held captive within the iron kingdom at the time of His first coming. He did not come to destroy but to divide.

Daniel 2
44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever

Yes, verse 2:44 represents the spiritual kingdom that was established by Christ at His first coming. It will grow into a great mountain until He returns.There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms - all of them earthly. But He came to set up or establish His spiritual kingdom which will be comsumated when He returns. The 4 kingdoms are temporary, His is not.

King Nebuchadnezzar was one of those kings and Babylon was one of those kingdoms that got crushed

Yes and no, Babylon was indeed the first kingdom and it would be destroyed by the Medes-Persians in 539 BC by Cyrus. Therefore, the "Stone" did not destroy it because it woud be conquered by the second kingdom in the metal man image before the Stone struck the image.

Let me know what you think and I look forward to why or how you arrive at your interpretations, best wishes.

 

[Douggg]

 

[Marty fox]

Hope you do not mind, but Epiphanes has absolutely nothing to do within the Book of Daniel. Most scholars contend that he is prominately discussed in chapter 11 but he is not found in chapter 11 or any other chapter. He can not be the little horn because the little horn came out of the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome not the 3rd kingdom of Greece. Chapters 2 and 7 and even in 8 you will find the 3rd kingndom identified as the kingdom of Greece.



Marty, sorry for not responding until now. Ok, I hope the following makes some sense here. Thean"Stone" (Messiah) in 2:34 represents His first coming while verse 2:35 represents His return. Daniel chapter 2 is presented as God's blueprint which offers the big picture for His plan of restoration and salvation for His people, His city and of course, all of mankind through the cross. Chapters 7, 8, 9 and 11 will go into great detail of the events and actors that will be found WITHIN the chapter 2 frame.

Therefore, in the "dream sequence" of chapter 2, God provides us with the identification of the 4 and only 4 kingdoms and the two actions that will take place - His first coming and His return in 2:34 and 2:35, respectively.

Therefore, the first strike of the Stone or 2:34 does NOT destroy the 4 kingdom metal man image but it only strikes the iron and clay within the feet to symbolically separate them. Because the clay represents His people held captive within the iron kingdom at the time of His first coming. He did not come to destroy but to divide.



Yes, verse 2:44 represents the spiritual kingdom that was established by Christ at His first coming. It will grow into a great mountain until He returns.There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms - all of them earthly. But He came to set up or establish His spiritual kingdom which will be comsumated when He returns. The 4 kingdoms are temporary, His is not.

Yes and no, Babylon was indeed the first kingdom and it would be destroyed by the Medes-Persians in 539 BC by Cyrus. Therefore, the "Stone" did not destroy it because it woud be conquered by the second kingdom in the metal man image before the Stone struck the image.

Let me know what you think and I look forward to why or how you arrive at your interpretations, best wishes.

We will have to disagree about AE not being in Daniel I believe he definitely was. I was shown this by a devout Jew who became a Christian through the book of Daniel. The two books of Maccabees can help give insight to this.

I do believe that the fourth beast is Greece and the sea beast in the book of revelation is Rome. We see the events of kingdom’s of Babylon The Mendes and the Persians witnessed by Daniel and then in chapter ten Daniel is told that the king and kingdom of Greece will eventually come.

The sea beast in revelation is described as a different beast with the descriptions of the animals of the first three beast in Daniel and also had all seven heads heads of the four beasts mentioned in Daniel. This is clearly a fifth beast as the land beast of revelation is also a different beast.

Daniel 2
34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

The text above clearly shows that the silver and gold were broken when the rock struck them, one strike all were destroyed not just the iron and clay

The text shows that The kingdom of God was alive and active before the cross it even states the word “then”, the faithful before the cross are saved in the same way as the faithful after the cross

 

[CTK]

We will have to disagree about AE not being in Daniel I believe he definitely was. I was shown this by a devout Jew who became a Christian through the book of Daniel. The two books of Maccabees can help give insight to this.

I do believe that the fourth beast is Greece and the sea beast in the book of revelation is Rome. We see the events of kingdom’s of Babylon The Mendes and the Persians witnessed by Daniel and then in chapter ten Daniel is told that the king and kingdom of Greece will eventually come.

The sea beast in revelation is described as a different beast with the descriptions of the animals of the first three beast in Daniel and also had all seven heads heads of the four beasts mentioned in Daniel. This is clearly a fifth beast as the land beast of revelation is also a different beast.

Daniel 2
34 While you were watching, a rock was cut out, but not by human hands. It struck the statue on its feet of iron and clay and smashed them. 35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver and the gold were all broken to pieces and became like chaff on a threshing floor in the summer. The wind swept them away without leaving a trace. But the rock that struck the statue became a huge mountain and filled the whole earth.

44 “In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever. 45 This is the meaning of the vision of the rock cut out of a mountain, but not by human hands—a rock that broke the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver and the gold to pieces.

The text above clearly shows that the silver and gold were broken when the rock struck them, one strike all were destroyed not just the iron and clay

The text shows that The kingdom of God was alive and active before the cross it even states the word “then”, the faithful before the cross are saved in the same way as the faithful after the cross

Thanks for your thoughts Marty!

If you do not mind, does chapters 2 and 7 tell us who the 4 kingdoms are? Thanks.

 

[Marty fox]

Thanks for your thoughts Marty!

If you do not mind, does chapters 2 and 7 tell us who the 4 kingdoms are? Thanks.

Your welcome and yes I believe so, they both show that they start with Babylon and then are followed by the succeeding kingdoms

 

[CTK]

Your welcome and yes I believe so, they both show that they start with Babylon and then are followed by the succeeding kingdoms

But what are those 4 kingdoms?

 

[quietthinker]

Thank you, but what tells you that?

Check this;

 

[shepherdsword]

Check this;

Hebrew gematria is nothing more than occult numerology rooted in kabbalism. It is a tool to attempt to get revelation outside of what the scripture actually says and what the Holy Spirit reveals. The original "book" of revelation was written on a scroll without any chapter of verse separations. It IS in chronological order with the exception of the parenthetical portions (chapters 12, 13, 14 and 17) You how to prove this? What come after number one? Number two, right? The seals, trumpets and vials show a numeric order.

 

[quietthinker]

Hebrew gematria is nothing more than occult numerology rooted in kabbalism. It is a tool to attempt to get revelation outside of what the scripture actually says and what the Holy Spirit reveals. The original "book" of revelation was written on a scroll without any chapter of verse separations. It IS in chronological order with the exception of the parenthetical portions (chapters 12, 13, 14 and 17) You how to prove this? What come after number one? Number two, right? The seals, trumpets and vials show a numeric order.

I don't find this view persuasive

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
Seven powers are prophesied to maintain order in the Middle East:
1. Egypt
2. Assyria
3. Babylon
4. Persia
5. Greece
6. Rome
7. Millennial reign of Jesus.

The four horsemen (Revelation 6:2-6:7) represent future carnage of war in the Middle East.

"Earth" (Revelation 6:4) is Greek γη = "land." There was no concept of planet earth in Biblical times. Today γη can indicate planet earth.

 

[Marty fox]

But what are those 4 kingdoms?

The beast are actually demonic beings influencing different nations and their leaders, Daniel chapter 10 shows this.

I see the 4 kingdoms as

Babylon
The Mendes
Persia
Greece

The sea beast in revelation was Rome, but how about the land beast what does that beast being the only beast described as a clean animal tell us?

Back to my post, how would you explain that the iron, silver and gold were also destroyed at the time that the rock stuck the statue?