God’s name….

[PS95]

Technically the Bible never says to call on the name of Jesus to be saved. It says "Call on the name of the Lord to be saved" and it is quoted to an Old Testament verse where that Lord being called on isn't named Jesus. The New Covenant name for salvation hasn't changed or been replaced, but Jesus still has an important name. For there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Well, Jesus was an Old Covenant Jew and taught people that the way to enter eternal life was by keeping the commandments, especially those 10 Commandments (Matthew 19:17) and one of those commandments is to not take the Lord's name is vain. So we need to be cognizant of this commandment and how we handle God's name.


Acts 4:12 is a little more specific than this and mentions the name that Jesus has as one given among men. It just refers to salvation coming from Jesus' sin sacrifice and points to the one who we must follow to eternal life.

That post was to Aunty Jane and I would prefer her reply, You are not a JW.
However, when I have the time I will happily discuss this with you, R-man. I will make a thread. how's that?

 

[Aunty Jane]

ALL the "names" in scriptures are not tags like we use names today. They are always descriptive titles of their position in the world.

Peter.....

John....

Adam

Hawwa or Eve

Bartholomew

Barrabas

Edom

Sampson.

These are titles....

Israel is a title and identity, not a name tag.

More there than meets the eye. ALWAYS

More often than not these were descriptive names.…often incorporating God’s name or a reference to him.

A title can be held by more than one person.
A title is usually an address of respect, like “Sir”….but it does not replace a name, because Jesus and his Father were both addressed as “Lord”…. that did not make them both “God” (with a capital “G”)

”Theos” (god) in Greek can refer even to the devil (2 Cor 4:4)…..it means any entity who receives worship. The Greeks had hundreds of deities…..all with their own names, so a god with no name was a difficulty for them. To single out the nameless God of the Jews, the Greeks used the definite article “ho” meaning “the”. Jews had only one God, with one name but because they refused to speak it, the pronunciation was lost.

In English, we use the same term for a specific person with the same name as someone we know…..if you were invited to a gathering and someone told you Brad Pitt was coming…..wouldn’t you ask….”you mean “THE Brad Pitt”?

Names are not titles, and titles are not names.

 

[shepherdsword]

God’s Name….an important but overlooked topic….

How many people pray the Lord’s Prayer and say the words “hallowed be thy name” without a single thought as to what Jesus was saying?

What does “hallowed” mean?
It means to treat God’s name with respect and reverence, as the Bible writers did.

What is God’s name in the Bible, and did he intend for his worshippers to use it? Why is it missing from modern day translations?

Is there a difference between a name and a title?
Can we explore these questions?

Going back to Exodus and the liberation of God’s people from slavery in Egypt, Moses was sent by God to facilitate their release.
Exodus 3:13-15…from the Jewish Tanakh….

13 And Moses said to God, "Behold I come to the children of Israel, and I say to them, 'The God of your fathers has sent me to you,' and they say to me, 'What is His name?' what shall I say to them?"		יגוַיֹּ֨אמֶר משֶׁ֜ה אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֗ים הִנֵּ֨ה אָֽנֹכִ֣י בָא֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ וְאָֽמַרְתִּ֣י לָהֶ֔ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י אֲבֽוֹתֵיכֶ֖ם שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם וְאָֽמְרוּ־לִ֣י מַה־שְּׁמ֔וֹ מָ֥ה אֹמַ֖ר אֲלֵהֶֽם:
14 God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'"		ידוַיֹּ֤אמֶר אֱלֹהִים֙ אֶל־משֶׁ֔ה אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶֽהְיֶ֑ה וַיֹּ֗אמֶר כֹּ֤ה תֹאמַר֙ לִבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל אֶֽהְיֶ֖ה שְׁלָחַ֥נִי אֲלֵיכֶֽם:
15 And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”		טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

So God revealed his name, and its meaning to Moses and instructed him to tell the people that their God, (יְהֹוָ֞ה Yahweh) would liberate them from slavery.

Some will be saying right away that this is not correct…the meaning of God’s name is “I Am”….but the Jewish Tanakh translates the Tetragrammaton as “I Will Be What I Will Be”, which is not a statement of his existence, (as the Israelites already knew that their God existed) but it was a statement of his intentions in connection with them….he would “BE” whatever he needed to be, in order to accomplish his will and purpose for them….he had to deal with an obstinate Pharaoh and he needed to force him by various means, to release them. Yahweh had a role for them to play….and that was to produce the promised Messiah, through the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, in the tribe of Judah. Everything about him was outlined in prophesy.

Yahweh became everything he needed to be in order to accomplish his will….and in the process, he demonstrated, in ways his people had never seen, the reality of his power.

How did the Israelites come to lose God’s name, and how did its meaning get to be twisted?

God sent his last prophet to his wayward people some 300 years before the Messiah arrived in 29CE. That would mean that God had virtually given up on correcting his people because they were serial covenant breakers and he let them go their own way until he sent his son….”a prophet like Moses”, who was not sent to correct them (as they were incorrigible) but to divide off from them a “remnant” who would accept Jesus as “the one” promised in their Scripture. This was prophesied. (Rom 9:27)

Long before Jesus arrived on the scene, the Jews had stopped saying God’s name in their speech, but they had kept it in their Scripture with the four Hebrew consonants “YHWH”. They addressed him audibly as “Adonai” which is a title….meaning ”Lord”. This title was common in Bible times as a mark of respect, with slaves often addressing their masters as “lord”. Sarah addressed Abraham by this title, so it is not another name for “God”. (1 Peter 3:6)

After some time, the pronunciation of the divine name was lost and when Jesus came, he too was addressed as “Lord”.
Why did Jesus call the Pharisees ‘children of the devil’? (John 8:44) Because satan had used them in his scheme to have God’s name eliminated from human speech….not only that, but he had manipulated these religious leaders to twist the Scriptures and to teach the people human traditions instead of scriptural truth. Like their “father the devil” they were liars. (Matt 15:7-9)

So now we have a situation where their Messiah has arrived but in a religious climate that was hostile to any change. The Pharisees had the people performing a sham religion, full of legality and short on truth and mercy….making Jesus’ job very difficult. And yet to whom was Jesus sent?

It was not to those proud intractable religious leaders, but to “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matt 15:24)…..the ones who were”lost” because of the shameful neglect of their shepherds….so what did Jesus do that was reflected in the words of the Lord’s Prayer? He made the “hallowed” name of his Father known to his disciples.

In prayer Jesus said at John 17:25-26…
”O righteous Father, even though the world does not know you, I know you, and these know that you have sent me. I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them.” (ESV)
So Jesus rectified that problem right away, by making his Father’s name known to his followers…..under the divine name there would be love and unity.

Fast forward to later centuries and what do we find? God’s name is not only missing from human speech again, but it is also absent from his own word….very few English Bible translations contain the divine name at all, so satan has once again accomplished his goal…..only better now that it has been subtracted from scripture altogether.

What human author would tolerate their name being removed from their own work, and substituted with the title “Author”? Their name makes the work theirs….to claim credit for. The name of the author is as important as the name of the book they wrote. The author’s reputation is indicated by his name. People will seek out his writings.

The divine name was used extensively in the OT Hebrew Scriptures (almost 7000 times) but in modern Bibles you can only see where it used to be, by the use of capital letters for the title “LORD”. And in the NT Greek Scriptures even where the Hebrew verses quoted by Jesus and the apostles used the divine name, it is again substituted by the title “Kyrios” again meaning “Lord”.

How did this happen….twice? And why is the divine name still hidden from people who read their Bibles? If Jesus taught us to “hallow” or to “sanctify” God’s name, how do to sanctify a name you never use?

Whose agenda are the Bible translators supporting?

Even the “KJV only” crowd can see the divine name in their translation, but only 4 times out of 7000….the most notable is in Psalm 83:18….but who said that this was OK? Who chose those 4 verses?

Going back to Moses in Exodus 3, we see God’s command that his name was to be maintained in every generation, and yet the Jews disobediently chose to stop saying it.

When Jesus came, he restored the divine name but after his death and the passing away of his apostles, the divine name again disappeared as Christianity was taken over by the “weeds” of Jesus’ parable….in a satanically inspired counterfeit “Christianity”.

If you understand the importance of God’s name, then every effort should be made to restore it to its rightful place…..but I hear people say that “we do not know how to to pronounce it”……but that argument falls flat when we say the name “Jesus”, which is the English translation of the name of God’s son, that most people accept without question, yet the English translation of the Father’s name, “Jehovah” is rejected? They even balk at the transliteration “YAHWEH” (how it may have been pronounced in Hebrew) Make sense of that if you can….but God knows his name in any language.

The importance of God’s name was stressed by Jesus himself, so “hallowed be thy name” is as important today, as it was back then. Who can argue with that?

There's alot to address in your post. Forgive me for a focus on this one point:

Jn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

I once did a study on what name Jesus manifested to His disciples. The only one I could find was "Father".

 

[Aunty Jane]

There's alot to address in your post. Forgive me for a focus on this one point:

Jn 17:6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

I once did a study on what name Jesus manifested to His disciples. The only one I could find was "Father".

Perhaps a study in the Hebrew Scriptures might have solved the dilemma for you.
What Scripture did Jesus and his apostles quote from at a time when the NT was not yet completed.
What name did Moses take to the Israelites? It wasn’t “Father”.
Read Psalm 83:18 in your KJV.

 

[shepherdsword]

Perhaps a study in the Hebrew Scriptures might have solved the dilemma for you.
What Scripture did Jesus and his apostles quote from at a time when the NT was not yet completed.
What name did Moses take to the Israelites? It wasn’t “Father”.
Read Psalm 83:18 in your KJV.

Reading from the Hebrew scriptures that contained YHVH ( and the transliteration into english for this is intensely debated )is hardly a manifesting of his name. That was done often on the sabbath. That is a very superficial understanding. I think the point is to reveal God as as a Father to his followers in a way never before revealed. This is the precise manifestation of God's name he was referring to:

Jn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father;(His name manifested) and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Let us also keep in mind what it means to be "in the name of". God's name isn't some magical formula to chant and get things done. It is more like a soldier pounding on the door saying "in the name of the King" A prayer is in the name of God simply because it is his will. There is no need to stamp an ending "in the name of" onto such a prayer. It is by it's very nature, in his name because it is according to his will. You can tack"in the name of" on the ending of any prayer you like but it accomplishes nothing if not God's will. This is something many don't grasp

 

[JohnDB]

More often than not these were descriptive names.…often incorporating God’s name or a reference to him.

A title can be held by more than one person.
A title is usually an address of respect, like “Sir”….but it does not replace a name, because Jesus and his Father were both addressed as “Lord”…. that did not make them both “God” (with a capital “G”)

”Theos” (god) in Greek can refer even to the devil (2 Cor 4:4)…..it means any entity who receives worship. The Greeks had hundreds of deities…..all with their own names, so a god with no name was a difficulty for them. To single out the nameless God of the Jews, the Greeks used the definite article “ho” meaning “the”. Jews had only one God, with one name but because they refused to speak it, the pronunciation was lost.

In English, we use the same term for a specific person with the same name as someone we know…..if you were invited to a gathering and someone told you Brad Pitt was coming…..wouldn’t you ask….”you mean “THE Brad Pitt”?

Names are not titles, and titles are not names.

But we are not discussing polytheistic Greeks. Nor was that the intended audience for two of the four Gospels (John addressed everyone) or the Old Testament.
We are discussing Jews who were definitely monotheistic.

When discussing Biblical literature the INTENDED AUDIENCE and the Author are of utmost importance. The author had specific intended thoughts that he wished to convey to his intended audience and wrote with those specific thoughts in mind which they clearly understood as the intended audience.
To create a polytheistic ideology out of scripture is going way, way beyond the scope of scripture. John uses SEVEN ways that Jesus declared himself to be God. Not God the Father but God the Son and He also claimed to be one with God the Holy Spirit.

Meaning there was no separation, distinction of purpose, or anything else that would cause separation between them and God's goals. (God is One)

Names are Titles and titles are names in scripture.
Jesus's name is the same as Joshua's. The Title meaning Yahweh saves. (Which was the purpose of Jesus's mission)

In English we use tags and not names as the Bible uses. You are making a basic language translation error that completely ignores the correct anthropology. The Bible is definitely Jewish Literature....not Greek, Egyptian, Latin, Aramean, or Babylonian.

 

[Aunty Jane]

But we are not discussing polytheistic Greeks.

We are discussing the Greek language which had no word for a god (“theos”) with no name. I offered you the reasons why they used the definite article to distinguish Yahweh from all other gods.
Have you ignored that?

We are discussing Jews who were definitely monotheistic.

Indeed, as the Hebrew Scriptures clearly show, the Jews worshipped “one God”…..not one god with three different personalities who could be in three places at the same time….who talk to one another…..hide information from one another….and have a different will to the others…..if such a god was presented to Jews he would be swiftly rejected. This in no way described Yahweh.

If you go to John 10:31-36 and read it in Greek, you will find that the Jews never accused Jesus of being Yahweh (“ho theos”)….they only accused him of ‘equality with God’ by claiming that ‘God was his Father’….
John 5:18…
”For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.” (NASB)
Understand that they desperately wanted to pin a charge of blasphemy on him to have an excuse to put him to death….

Read Jesus response to them…..
“The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” (theos)
Jesus answered them, “Has it not been written in your Law, ‘I said you are gods’ (theos)? If he called them gods, (theos) to whom the word of God (ho theos) came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You are blaspheming,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God’ (ho theos)?” (John 10:33-36 NASB)

The use of the definite article there indicates who was Yahweh…..and who wasn’t. All they managed to do was say he was “calling God his own Father”……because not once did he ever say he was “God”.

If Yahweh himself can call human judges “gods”….then calling Jesus “theos” isn’t calling him Yahweh either.

When discussing Biblical literature the INTENDED AUDIENCE and the Author are of utmost importance. The author had specific intended thoughts that he wished to convey to his intended audience and wrote with those specific thoughts in mind which they clearly understood as the intended audience.

This is true, but he also knew that the majority of his intended audience (the Jewish nation) would reject him. As he indicated in Matt 7:13-14….only “few” (a remnant) would accept him as Messiah, having been thoroughly indoctrinated by the Jewish leaders for centuries….”teaching commands of men as doctrines”. (Matt 15:7-9)
History has a way of repeating because the devil never changes his tactics.

To create a polytheistic ideology out of scripture is going way, way beyond the scope of scripture. John uses SEVEN ways that Jesus declared himself to be God. Not God the Father but God the Son and He also claimed to be one with God the Holy Spirit.

Yet it is clearly what the early church did, fulfilling Jesus parable of the “wheat and the weeds”. The devil sowed a counterfeit “Christianity” that gained ascendency over the centuries, till the woeful spiritual state of “the church” gave birth to Roman Catholicism. This is the foundation of Christendom…a religious fraud that masquerades as true Christianity when they cannot agree among themselves as to who is teaching the truth….
Is this a product of God’s spirit? Does God sow weeds in his own field who continue to fragment into ever more divisions, and bicker all the way to the end?

Meaning there was no separation, distinction of purpose, or anything else that would cause separation between them and God's goals. (God is One)

Yes…”God is one” (Deut 6:4) and always has been. Yet the God of the Jews is clearly not the God of Christendom…he is the god of Roman Catholicism….but he’s been around so long that no one sees the difference. The indoctrination is so complete that no one is allowed to question ‘the elephant in the room’.

Jesus's name is the same as Joshua's. The Title meaning Yahweh saves. (Which was the purpose of Jesus's mission)

Yes, Yahweh “sent” his son to save mankind…and Jesus said we had to “know” them both. (John 17:3)

In English we use tags and not names as the Bible uses. You are making a basic language translation error that completely ignores the correct anthropology. The Bible is definitely Jewish Literature....not Greek, Egyptian, Latin, Aramean, or Babylonian

The Bible is God’s word, no matter what language it is translated into….all its writers were Jewish as the Messiah himself was, and he taught from Jewish Scripture. But Jews were not the only ones who were to become Christians…..when gentiles were added to the Christian congregations, these came from polytheistic backgrounds and slowly over time their beliefs crept into Christianity which became the “weeds” sown by the devil.
Anyone who can see the pathetic state of a completely divided church system, which is irreconcilable, and thinks that this is God’s doing, must be delusional.

Majority view does not make something true……nor does censorship make the truth go away….
They tried to silence Jesus and his apostles too….but the truth will triumph in spite of all attempts to undermine it. Gamaliel’s words to the Jewish Sanhedrin still ring true….

”So in the present case I tell you, keep away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or this undertaking is of man, it will fail; but if it is of God, you will not be able to overthrow them. You might even be found opposing God!” So they took his advice, and when they had called in the apostles, they beat them and charged them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go. Then they left the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer dishonor for the name. And every day, in the temple and from house to house, they did not cease teaching and preaching that the Christ is Jesus.”

This is also our message….that “the Christ is Jesus”…..verbally beat us up, and try to get us to refrain from our preaching….and we will be like the first Christians…..I am sad that censorship is still resorted to in spite of the promise of Jesus himself that ‘no one will snatch his disciples out of his hand’…..what are our opposers worried about? Seriously….

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jane, where did I make stuff up about JWs? Why do you insist on calling me a liar every time you post? I have asked you each time to show me my lies and you never do.
Is it a lie that JWs believe that physical death = sins are all paid for? '
Is it a lie that you teach that God only requires ONE payment for sins and death is that payment.
Is it a lie that you do not teach the forgiveness of ours sins wrought by Jesus' blood at Calvary?
Is it a lie that you believe that you would just stay dead sleeping peacefully in the ground, unless Jesus died to give your sinless body (*via your own death) a new chance via resurrection?
Is it a lie that you teach that our deeds in this life don't really matter since judgment is not about our deeds in this life?
Is it a lie that you are taught that you are not a part of the new covenant?
Where is my lie Jane?



What I said was show us all please just where Jesus declared the tetragrammaton? I don't see it anywhere. You say He did, but no one knows where? Show us then, since you know.
Like I said- read the whole of the chapter 17 and see that Jesus uses the word ,"name"- as describing God's character, and gift and love for us in the gospel. Show us where Jesus declared this name you speak of? Where Jane?

Jesus is the "name" given in the gospels and it is declared to be the only name given that we need for salvation. Acts 4:12 You deny that.


Once again, you call me a liar. Show me.

It seems to me that the liar is the one who accuses someone else of lying without any proof to back it up. So, she is the liar. She tries to hide what her religion actually teaches because deception is what that false religion is all about.

 

[Aunty Jane]

It seems to me that the liar is the one who accuses someone else of lying without any proof to back it up. So, she is the liar. She tries to hide what her religion actually teaches because deception is what that false religion is all about.

Do you want to accept what is stated by this person as truth? Can it be because you already have prejudice against JW’s? Have you ever actually asked us what we believe and why? I do not post that which I cannot back up with Scripture. I have been a student and teacher of God’s word for many decades…..so research is what I do with all things scriptural. And I love to use Christendom’s own resources.

And this…..

”Jane, where did I make stuff up about JWs? Why do you insist on calling me a liar every time you post? I have asked you each time to show me my lies and you never do.
Is it a lie that JWs believe that physical death = sins are all paid for? '
Is it a lie that you teach that God only requires ONE payment for sins and death is that payment.
Is it a lie that you do not teach the forgiveness of ours sins wrought by Jesus' blood at Calvary?
Is it a lie that you believe that you would just stay dead sleeping peacefully in the ground, unless Jesus died to give your sinless body (*via your own death) a new chance via resurrection?

Is it a lie that you teach that our deeds in this life don't really matter since judgment is not about our deeds in this life?
Is it a lie that you are taught that you are not a part of the new covenant?
Where is my lie Jane?

Do you know about twisted half truths? This is what they look like….they are more damning than actual lies but God knows who is telling them, and who is swallowing them without really finding out if they are true.

The devil twists the truth too and has done so from the beginning, but we have confidence in our God because Jesus said….
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. . . . .And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (ESV)

That being the case, no one can come to the son unless the Father “draws” them……so it’s God’s decision as to whom he invites into his kingdom…..what makes any of you think that it’s all up to you if you make it to heaven or not….? Jehovah is very careful about whom he invites, giving all the same opportunity to hear the truth and respond to it.….God will not “draw” those who cannot be told…or those who want to argue for the sake of a personal agenda, desperate to justify their own defection.

Who would bother to respond to these misleading statements? It’s fake news because this person has a ‘beef’ and has made past decisions that alienated them from their whole family….must be lonely out there, wondering if they got it right, and the black sheep didn’t. But it makes justification for their own actions all the more important, as we see in every post.

According to Jesus, some are going to get a rude shock (Matt 7:21-23)…..and it isn’t the hated “few” who preach a different version of the gospel….it is the “many” who hold a majority view…..just as it was when Jesus walked the earth….very few out of the indoctrinated Jewish nation accepted Jesus as Messiah……”just as in Noah’s day”, (Matt 24:37-39) Jesus said we can expect the same situation when he was to return…..how many survived the end of that world?

Human nature doesn’t change….which is why the devil has the “whole world” under his control. He knows how to make the truth appear to be lies, and the lies accepted as truth, held by those he can manipulate to swallow them. (1 John 5:19)

In a world ruled by the devil, nothing is as it appears to be…..learn the lessons from the past or you are doomed to repeat their mistakes.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Do you want to accept what is stated by this person as truth? Can it be because you already have prejudice against JW’s? Have you ever actually asked us what we believe and why? I do not post that which I cannot back up with Scripture. I have been a student and teacher of God’s word for many decades…..so research is what I do with all things scriptural. And I love to use Christendom’s own resources.

And this…..



Do you know about twisted half truths? This is what they look like….they are more damning than actual lies but God knows who is telling them, and who is swallowing them without really finding out if they are true.

The devil twists the truth too and has done so from the beginning, but we have confidence in our God because Jesus said….
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. . . . .And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.” (ESV)

That being the case, no one can come to the son unless the Father “draws” them……so it’s God’s decision as to whom he invites into his kingdom…..what make any of you think that it’s all up to you if you make it to heaven or not….? Jehovah is very careful about whom he invites, giving all the same opportunity to hear the truth and respond to it.….God will not “draw” those who cannot be told…or those who want to argue for the sake of a personal agenda, desperate to justify their own defection.

Who would bother to respond to these misleading statements? It’s fake news because this person has a ‘beef’ and has made past decisions that alienated them from their whole family….must be lonely out there, wondering if they got it right, and the black sheep didn’t. But it makes justification for their own actions all the more important, as we see in every post.

According to Jesus, some are going to get a rude shock (Matt 7:21-23)…..and it isn’t the hated “few” who preach a different version of the gospel….it is the “many” who hold a majority view…..just as it was when Jesus walked the earth….very few out of the indoctrinated Jewish nation accepted Jesus as Messiah……”just as in Noah’s day”, (Matt 24:37-39) Jesus said we can expect the same situation when he was to return…..how many survived the end of that world?

Human nature doesn’t change….which is why the devil has the “whole world” under his control. He knows how to make the truth appear to be lies, and the lies accepted as truth, held by those he can manipulate to swallow them. (1 John 5:19)

In a world ruled by the devil, nothing is as it appears to be…..learn the lessons from the past or you are doomed to repeat their mistakes.

Why do you think you can fool me? You are delusional. You can't fool me with your Jehovah's Witnesses lies. You can't refute one single thing she said because it can all be confirmed on the JW official website. You do believe that one's sins are paid for by death rather than by the blood of Christ because that is how you interpret Romans 6:7. Tell me one thing that she said that is not true about what you believe? It's quite noticeable that you didn't even try to refute one thing she said about what you believe. Is that because you can't? I believe so.