“God, having spoken many times and in many ways in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, has in these last times spoken unto us by his Son, … .”
(Hebrews 1:1-2a, JUB)
(Hebrews 1:1-2a, JUB)
God has spoken unto us by his Son
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Dash RipRock
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Yes, God has spoken to us by His Word and NOT thru the false doctrine found through out church history
Dash RipRock
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Dash RipRock
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That's not relevant to your question concerning when the end times started
The arrival of Jesus marked the beginning of the end.
He did all His speaking later when He went in to public ministry and the devil has sought to twist and pervert His teachings ever since including the Lord's teaching ministry that continued after He ascended back to the Father which He taught by the Holy Spirit thru the New Testament writers.
The deception satan is peddling to mankind comes thru so called protestant, catholic, and eastern orthodox churches as well as the ever so popular non denominational churches.
Jesus told us that many would come in His Name and would deceive many so beware of those claiming to be "anointed" to speak in behalf of the Lord who don't teach all of God's Word and who teach the wisdom of men as though it were the wisdom of the Lord which is what these religious organizations are doing.
A much more reasonable answer to the question concerning when God began speaking to us by his Son is at the beginning of his ministry. That would make him around thirty years old.
Some would perhaps locate it earlier in his life, to the time when he was twelve years old and speaking with the teachers in the Temple during the family pilgrimage to Jersusalem.
Some would perhaps locate it earlier in his life, to the time when he was twelve years old and speaking with the teachers in the Temple during the family pilgrimage to Jersusalem.
LittleTuneAlright
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This is a great question.
And for me it is personal. And for me it came at a time at a time when I was deeply suffering, and could not escape it. Having tried everything to escape the suffering, I read Jesus words that I must hate everything and my life before I can come to Him, I felt better knowing Someone out there bigger than me can help me through my life.
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Let’s take a closer look to try and better explain this, let's start in Genesis, because that's where the one who became known as Jesus can be seen first. (Gen. 1: 1) It said that; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." But (John 1: 1-3,-10, 14) states" in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (v.2) The same was in the beginning with God. (v. 3) All things were made by him; (the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made. (v.10) He was in the world and the world was made by him.
We all know that one of Jesus many names is the Word of God. (Rev. 19:13) So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes! They are one in the same (v.14) And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth. Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man. That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning. (John 17: 5)
We all know that one of Jesus many names is the Word of God. (Rev. 19:13) So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes! They are one in the same (v.14) And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth. Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man. That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning. (John 17: 5)
Your understanding of Jesus and the logos seems clearly lacking much substance, as scripture is not like mathematics where you can readily equate one side of an equation to the other side with the sign of equality. There is more work to done in scripture to understand who is Jesus and what is the logos. And reading Jesus back into the Old Testament, is never a good idea. And you have just done that, seemingly at your convenience, or at your level of understanding, at the expense of the truth. And that should also be a real concern for you.
What did you explain in your post? The first paragraph has no explanation of the two main subjects at all. And using a bandwagon psychological measure as a tool in an attempt to stifle objection, to say 'we all know,' to equate Jesus to the first original Genesis, will not work either.
There's a lot of sorting out to be done here from what I read.
Expanding on your first paragraph as a real closer look, with more specificity and less vagueness would make for a better discussion; I would think.
God has spoken to us in the last days through his Son. This sentence should reflect the contents of your first paragraph that defines what is the word attributed to whom, and who is Jesus that uses this same word in these last days.
Just saying...
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Let's move on to (Ex. 3:13-14) And Moses said unto God Behold when I come unto the children of Israel and shall say unto them. The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you: and they shall say unto me, what is his name? What shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel I am hath sent me unto you. Now Moses asked a direct question and God gave him a direct answer that's very clear.
Let's take a look at; (John 8:56-59) When Jesus was speaking to some of the Jews saying (v.56) Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him (Jesus) thou are not yet fifty years old and hast thou seen Abraham. Now listen closely how Jesus answered. Jesus said unto them verily, verily I say unto you, before Abraham was I am. I am, not I will be, or I was, but I am. That's forever present, the one who became known as Jesus was always around, he is the member of the Godhead that became known as the Son. In the beginning there was no Father or Son just God, or Godhead or God family, God is translated from the Hebrew word Elohim, a uniplural word. Like the word man, it covers the species male and female. (Gen. 1:27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; MALE AND FEMALE CREATED HE THEM.
So we are all members of the man family, the woman (whom Adam named) is the female species of the man family, let's continue. (John 1:18) No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. Those are absolutes "No MAN" and AT ANY TIME" (Ex. 24:9-11) then went Moses, and Aaron, Na-dab, and A-bi'hu, and seventy of the elders of Israel. (v.10) And they saw the GOD OF ISRAEL; and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven in his clearness. (v.11) And upon the nobles of the children of Israel he laid not his hand: also THEY SAW GOD. And did eat and drink. Now do we have a contradiction in the bible? No, we are going to let the bible interpret the bible. (John 5:37, 39, 43) (v.37) And the father himself which hath sent me, have borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice (the father's) at any time nor seen his shape. So who was it that the 74 elders saw in the mount. None other than the one who became known as Jesus. The one who became known as the Father does not deal with flesh, never has never will. Jesus told you with his own words, (v.39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. The scriptures are from Genesis to Malachi. Jesus told you with his own mouth. (v.43) I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. If Jesus came in his Father's name, then what was Jesus' name before he came in the flesh? It was GOD ALMIGHTY! (Ex. 6:2-3) (v.2) And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the Lord: (v.3) And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JE-HO'-VAH was I not known to them.
I hope this clarify a little bit more in scripture ....peace in Jesus name
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