God is not the Author of Confusion and False Theology.

[Mungo]

Mark 16:16 - He who believes and is baptized will be saved (general cases without making a qualification for the unusual case of someone who believes but is not baptized) but he who does not believe will be condemned. The omission of baptized with "does not believe" shows that Jesus does not make baptism absolutely necessary for salvation. Condemnation rests on unbelief, not on a lack of baptism. So salvation rests on belief. *NOWHERE does the Bible say "baptized or condemned."

If water baptism is absolutely required for salvation, then why did Jesus not mention it in the following verses? (3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:29,40,47; 11:25,26). What is the one requirement that Jesus mentions nine different times in each of these complete statements? *BELIEVES. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I have not claimed that Baptism is absolutely required for salvation (see post #34)
It is what Jesus has given us for the normal way to be saved - "He who believes and is baptized will be saved".

God may choose to save us without baptism in water but that is his choice not ours.
An example might be someone who is on his way to be baptised but is killed on the way. He has the desire to be baptised but was unable to be. The Catholic Church calls this Baptism of Desire where God will give the fruits of (water) baptism - salvation - without actually being baptised in water.

 

[GISMYS_7]

Little men's idea that baptism saves has sent many to hell== baptizm saves no one!! Many love living in sin thinking they need not care because they were baptized to please their mother at age six but do not believe in God or know who Jesus is. They dream on until they feel the flames of hell

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD'S Word SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....

 

[Mungo]

Little men's idea that baptism saves has sent many to hell== baptizm saves no one!! Many love living in sin thinking they need not care because they were baptized to please their mother at age six but do not believe in God or know who Jesus is. They dream on until they feel the flames of hell

Romans: Chapter 10 verse 9-10-13 GOD'S Word SAYS=
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him
from the dead, thou shalt be Saved. For with the heart man
believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession
is made unto Salvation. For whosoever shall call upon the
name of the Lord shall be Saved....

GISMYS, I going away for a while to visit family so I may not have time to post much.
There are three points I want to make. Please read them all carefully

1.
Both Jesus and Peter say that Baptism saves. I've posted the verses serval times so there is no need to repeat them. You keep not answering - because you can't.
You are in denial of scripture.


2.
You say in post #51 & #53 that we must not ignore the "whole" of Bible teaching. But that is exactly what you are doing by focussing on one passage only.
According to you the only things you need to do for your initial justification/salvation is to "confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead"

But if we are not going to ignore the "whole" of Bible teaching, let's look at more Bible teaching on salvation.
Paul said “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31) – no mention of confessing with your mouth.

Peter said “and it shall be that everyone shall be saved who calls on the name of the Lord” (Acts 2:21) – no mention of belief.

Jesus said “Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved” – no mention of confessing with your mouth, but mentions the need for baptism.

Paul again “he saved us through the bath of rebirth and renewal by the holy Spirit” – water (baptism) again, but no mention of believing or confessing with your mouth.

Then Paul also says "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you; it is the gift of God" (Eph 2:8) –again no mention of confessing with your lips. Also we are saved by grace. Grace means free gift. Now isn’t confessing with our lmouth work (gulp!) – earning grace?

Then we have some texts that don’t actually use the word saved but it’s pretty clear that is what they are referring to
In Acts 2 when the listeners say “What are we to do, my brothers?” (vs 37), Peter doesn’t say “call on the name of the Lord” but “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins” (vs 38) – so repent and be baptised, no mention of belief or confessing with your mouth.
However this does link calling on the name of the Lord to Baptism

Acts 22:16 also links calling on the name of the Lord to Baptism. "Get up and have yourself baptized and your sins washed away, calling upon his name."
So why pick on Rom 10:9-10 and not one of the other texts?

3.
Finally Rom 10:9-10 is not referring to our initial justification/salvation but to the future.

What Paul is saying has nothing to do with the initial saving event. Paul is addressing people who are already Christians. They have heard the word, they have believed (Rom 1:7-8) and they have been baptised (6:3-4). So when he gets to 10:9 his words are nothing to do with the initial saving event, but are concerned with their ongoing salvation. They are under persecution and Paul is urging them not to be afraid of confessing that Jesus is Lord.

Do you know that in persecutions you could identify three particular groups. Firstly those who held to the faith, faced martyrdom and survived. These were known as confessors, or confessors of the faith. The second group were those who abjured the faith and sacrificed to the statue of the emperor. They were known as lapsi. The third group, known as libellatici were those who purchased a false certificates saying they had sacrificed to the emperor but had not in fact done so.

Saying that Romans 10:9-11 is the way people are saved is a false gospel.
It's not what Jesus taught.
It's not what Peter taught
It's not what Paul taught.

 

[GISMYS_7]

God expects us to think!!! We have proof baptism does not save==Hitler was baptized but was he saved??? We all know many unbelieving people have been baptized but are not saved, No one is saved that does not believe in God and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior BUT MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HACE BEEN BAPTIZED!!!THINK!

 

[Mungo]

God expects us to think!!! We have proof baptism does not save==Hitler was baptized but was he saved??? We all know many unbelieving people have been baptized but are not saved, No one is saved that does not believe in God and accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior BUT MANY OF THOSE PEOPLE HACE BEEN BAPTIZED!!!THINK!

That's not proof at all.
Yes, when Hitler was baptised he was justified/saved.
But that doesn't mean he was saved when he died.
Or do you believe in the false OSAS teaching?

Are you going to respond (however feebly) to my post #63 or just ignore it?

 

[GISMYS_7]

Think!! No unbeliever is saved by baptism and no unbeliever will be in heaven!!!THINK!

Idon't waste my time going back to look up old posts===if you have a question just ask it!

 

[Mungo]

Think!! No unbeliever is saved by baptism and no unbeliever will be in heaven!!!THINK![/quote
Straw man.

Idon't waste my time going back to look up old posts===if you have a question just ask it!

It was only 3 post ago. You just have no answer and are ducking and diving.