God's Great GRACE Departure RDF The Second Coming!

[GRACE ambassador]

Update For: God's [ Pre-trib ] Great Grace Departure With:

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Part (9) God's Removal Of His Body!

Precious friend(s) about midway of 17 parts, for your Careful consideration:

Please let us all prayerfully ask God's Question, Through His One Grace apostle, Paul,

"What Saith The Scripture?":​

”...he who withholdeth/hindereth Until Taken Out of the way.​

And Then shall that Wicked be revealed!...” (2 Thessalonians 2:7b-8a)​

First, Carefully Note The 'Timing Words' Of God In This Important Passage! Amen?

Next!:

Many are having Great difficulty interpreting The "falling away ( greek apostasia )"
In verse 3. Some would have us to believe that "He who withholdeth/hindereth" is:

Actually interpreted as "those Great number today who are going into apostasy,

departing 'from the faith.'"​

So we wish to kindly/humbly ask: When The last one has 'fallen away', does that then mean:

"they were Taken Out of the way"? And, only Then will "The Wicked one be revealed"?​

Did they then "take themselves" out of the way? Does that make any sense?
More sensible, if this idea is true, would be:

"They who withholdeth/hindereth" [ Changing Scripture ] Correct?​

So What is "The Departure ( 'Taken Out Of the way' ) Truth" That God Gave Paul in This Passage?

We perceive it is not a Great departure "from the faith," as these propose, because:

A) Did we not Already have that, almost 2000 Years ago?:

"...all they which are in Asia be turned away from me [ Paul ]!..." (2 Timothy 1:15 AV)​

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In addition, God Revealed To Paul, this Plain And Clear Statement, For "our Last Days!":​

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"Now The Spirit Speaketh Expressly, that in the latter times Some shall depart​

from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils!"​

(1 Timothy 4:1 AV)​

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So, may we humbly And kindly ask: Why are many Still looking for:​

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"a Great Apostasy ("interpretation"? of "falling away")" and for the man of sin, son of Perdition?​

B) Please bear with, for a moment, this Very brief Greek lesson?:

In 1 Timothy 4:1 AV that "departure { greek aphestemi }" is "from the faith!"​

cp Hebrews 3:12 AV: "Departing { "same" greek aphestemi )" Is "From The Living God!!"​

Thus, with a Different Original word, a departure { apostasia } 'from the faith' interpretation ​

would be incorrect, Correct?​

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[ btw, I am a simpleton, not a language scholar, thus this explanation above will be​

my only brief attempt at such a thing. The rest will just be plain English. Thanks. ]​

to be continued...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Continued: God's Removal Of His Body { From earth! }

C) Double Confirmation For "The Departure" Is:

What God Revealed To Paul to teach the Thessalonians in 1 Thessalonians, Was:​

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"The Departure" in Chapter 4:13-18 AV, Including The Mystery ( Now known ) of ​

our "changing in the twinkling of an eye" in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 AV​

Also, In God's Immediate Context ( is king? ) Here!:​

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"Now we beseech you, brethren, By The Coming Of our Lord Jesus Christ, And by​

our { Departure? } gathering together Unto Him!..." (2 Thessalonians 2:1 AV), Correct?​

D) Triple Confirmation For The Great Grace 'Departure From the earth!' Is Again Also In

God's Immediate Context Itself:​

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...he, the righteous 'withholder/restrainer' Is Removed By God "First!"​

(2 Thessalonians 2:6-8a AV)​

And not the Unrighteous apostasizers ' removing themselves,' Correct?​

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The [ Heavenly ] Gospel Of Grace Is Ended (Romans through Philemon), By God, Making​

Way For His Prophesied [ earthly ] kingdom gospel (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6 AV),​

by Removing all of 'His { Heavenly } ambassadors of Grace', Before:​

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Declaring Judgment and War on an UNbelieving world! Amen?​

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The 'man of sin/son of Perdition' Cannot be revealed Until The Church [ he, "the​

one New man" (Ephesians 2:15 AV) ], the "righteous restrainer" is Removed Away​

From the earth! First!! (2 Thessalonians 2:3, 6-8a AV)​

Then begins The Time Of Jacob's Trouble!":​

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Since God's Grace And God's Judgment/Wrath Are "Mutually Exclusive!!" Amen?​

E) Quadruple Confirmation Is Comparing This One difficult/obscure verse with:

These Twenty Seven [ Not just one, eh? ] Plain And Clear Passages About
The Body Of Christ, Which Christ, from Heaven, Instructed Paul to teach us to be:

"looking, watching, and ( patiently ) wait for" The Following?:​

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The Holy One, The Lord Jesus Christ! ​

(2 Thessalonians 2:1; Romans 8:18-19; Romans 8:23; Romans 8:25;​

1 Corinthians 1:7; Ephesians 6:11-19; Philippians 3:20; Colossians 4:1-3;​

1 Thessalonians 1:10; 1 Thessalonians 5:5-11; Titus 2:13 AV)​

q: looking for The Wicked one, First? or?:

Looking, watching, and ( patiently ) waiting, For The Lord Jesus Christ! First!!?​

Thus, It Is Very Plain And Clear, According To God's Precious Word Of Truth,
{ Left In God's Context! Amen? }, That!:

The Reliable Scripture Interpreting ( Rule #6 ) Itself, for "The falling away" Is:

"God's Great Grace Departure!" Of The Body Of Christ
{ Removing "he, who hindereth/withholdeth" } Away From the earth!" Correct?

F) The 'Timing' belief matters, Because It Determines how one “Prepares!” Amen?:

So, Which is Better?:​

1) "men" instructing watchmen to look for antichrist, And preparing by Selfishly ​

Hoarding Up seven years of food for famine, to "endure to the end of Great​

Tribulation!," which is contradictory to how other so-called ' prophets'​

prepare, saying 'leave the city/country'.​

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Thus, All of them, in Confusion "Mixed Up, living By Sight [ signs ]!"?​

Or:

2) Obeying God, Under His Amazing Grace, "...living By Faith, not by sight..." (2Co 5:7 AV),​

Looking, Watching, And Waiting For [ our "Blessed Hope!" ] The Lord Jesus Christ!...​

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...While loving our neighbor, And Selflessly working to use God's { Provided } money to​

"give to them in need," while performing All 'good works' For God, in Order To Be:​

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►►► Prepared For Judgment In Heaven! ◄◄◄​

(1 Corinthians 3:8-15 cp "gold, silver, and precious stones" in:​

1 Corinthians 4:12; Ephesians 4:28; 1 Thessalonians 4:11-12;​

Philippians 4:19; 2 Corinthians 9:8; Romans 12:20 AV) Amen?​

to be continued...

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Continued: God's Removal of His Body:

G) Finally:

If Any precious reader Still believes one Will See the man of sin,​

son of Perdition First, and enter Into Great Tribulation, "under his {Satan's}​

Governmental reign," Then does one not have The Following Scriptural​

Dilemma? Please Prayerfully/Carefully Consider:​

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Out-Of-Place Problem, From God And His Word!:​

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All members of The Body Of Christ Are Instructed, By God, To:​

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"be subject to governmental authorities, And pray For them!"​

(Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1; 1 Timothy 2:1-4 AV).​

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How does that then work out (Disobedience?), for the Body Of Christ members,​

who "Will Go Into" the Great Tribulation, as the government Will Be Under The ​

Control Of Satan and the Beast! (Revelation 13:4 AV)?​

Conclusion: Only God's [ Pre-trib ] Great Grace Departure For "His Removal Of His Body!"

makes the most sense, Correct?​

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End of Part (9) he "who withholdeth/hindereth" Until "taken Out!?"

Part (10) was already posted here...

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And my complete outline, if you wish to ask about anything further?:

After Many years I finally "took time off" for 18 months, to see If I actually
had The Truth, The Whole [ All The Scriptures ] Truth, And Nothing But
The Truth about "Pre-trib" rapture:

Brief outline (hopefully "decently and in order" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV):

(1) am I using The Right Bible?
(2) am I obeying God's Excellent "study" Rules!?*

(3a) God's WORD Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?
(4) Which "Gospel!" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?

(5) Great Tribulation? Or tribulations/Great Grace Departure!
(6) Pre-TOJT Grace Departure "Expectations!"?

(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For HIS Body!?
(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking for Whom! or, for whom And "signs"?

(9) He "who withholdeth/hindereth" Until "taken Out!?"
(10) Day of CHRIST vs Day Of The LORD vs Day Of God!

(11) Confidence in death/resurrection!, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Return "Without Warning!"?

(13)The Two "Trumps" Of God!, In His "Age Of Grace!!"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air!" On The Way To Heaven!! vs U-turn (theology?)

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Back To earth?​

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(15) Preparation For [ Heavenly ] Judgment!?
(16) Post Departure "Deception! Question"?

Conclusion (2 parts):

(Part 17) Conclusion to God's [ Pre-trib ] Great GRACE Departure!
(Mystery resurrection)

All the Colored Parts [ links ] are available for viewing, the rest are in my old files,
awaiting the best 'humble And kind' discussers of this Very Important Doctrine, ok?

End of Outline. Let me know if any of parts 1-16 May be of interest to you?...
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Precious friend(s), appreciate all your prayerful and Careful attention in this Very Important Matter.

May The Wonderful Head Of The Body, The Glorified Lord Jesus Help us all to:

"Prove All things; hold fast That Which Is Good!" (1 Thessalonians 5:21 AV)​

Amen.

Most Important being God's Grace, Peace, Mercy, and Love! Amen?

Always appreciate kind and humble discussions! Blessings my precious friend(s)!!

 

[Scott Downey]

The Day of the Lord Jesus, is the Day of the Lord, the Day of God, when He comes to judge the world in righteousness, so it is also the Day of judgment.

Peter teaches these are all the same DAY

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3 - 21st Century King James Version

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance, that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first...

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This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance,

2 that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

5 For of this they are willfully ignorant: that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water,

6 whereby the world as it then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

7 But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy manner of living and godliness,

12 looking for and hastening unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing that ye know these things beforehand, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 17
30 The times of this ignorance God overlooked, but now He commandeth all men everywhere to repent,

31 because He hath appointed a Day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by that Man whom He hath ordained. Of this He hath given assurance unto all men, in that He hath raised Him from the dead.”

All will be raised up to be judged on that Day and judged

1. John 11:24
   Martha said unto Him, “I know that he shall rise again at the resurrection on the Last Day.”
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
2. John 12:48
   He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day.

This is also the Day of Christ, Day of the Lord, Day of God

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Thessalonians 1 - 21st Century King James Version

Paul, and Silvanus, and Timothy, Unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace unto you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is meet, because your faith groweth exceedingly...

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6 For it is a righteous thing with God to recompense with tribulation those who trouble you;

7 and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power,

12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

As is this that Day

Bible Gateway passage: 1 Thessalonians 5 - 21st Century King James Version

But as to the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they are saying, "Peace and safety," then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with...

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But as to the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they are saying, “Peace and safety,” then sudden destruction cometh upon them as travail upon a woman with child, and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that Day should overtake you as a thief.

5 Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day; we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others, but let us watch and be sober.

7 For those who sleep, sleep in the night; and those who are drunken are drunken in the night.

8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet, the hope of salvation.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ

10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore comfort yourselves together and edify one another, even as also ye do.

12 And we beseech you, brethren, that you come to know those who labor among you, and are over you in the Lord and admonish you,

13 and to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves.

14 Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

15 See that none render evil for evil unto any man, but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves and with all men.

 

[Davy]

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18 AV)

The above by the OP is an idea from man's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory. They believe when Jesus comes, He hangs out on a cloud with all the saints gathered to Him right there, and then takes them into Heaven with Him, which idea of course is nowhere written in God's Word. It is a fabrication from men's false Pre-trib Rapture Theory.


Let's see what those Scriptures really say that the OP uses...

2 Thess 2:1-3
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
KJV

Nothing is said there about Lord Jesus coming to rapture us and take us back into Heaven. That idea has to be ADDED to that Scripture.

1 Cor 15:49
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
KJV

Nothing in the above either about Jesus taking His gathered Church back into Heaven. What those like @GRACE ambassador is assuming is that heavenly body image can manifest only in the heavenly dimension off this earth. Not so. Angels have appeared on earth with that heavenly image, and even ate man's food. Those on a false Pre-trib Rapture do not understand that on the day of Christ's future return, the Heavenly dimension is going to be opened up for ALL on earth to see, right here, on earth. This is why Rev.1 shows that all eyes will see Christ's future coming.

2 Cor 12:2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.
KJV

The "third heaven" Paul was caught up (meaning his spirit), means the future 3rd world earth age, what is called God's new heavens and a new earth time. Like Peter said in 2 Peter 3, many are willingly ignorant that there was a previous 1st world earth age which perished. We today are in the 2nd one. And the 3rd one is God's future Eternity. And per the Old Testament prophets, and even per Revelation 21 and 22, it is going to be right here, ON EARTH.

2 Cor 5:1-2
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
KJV

Once again, @GRACE ambassador has not yet understood that the Heavenly dimension where God's Abode now is, was at one time UPON THIS VERY EARTH. We are shown this in Genesis 2 about God's Garden of Eden, His River of the Waters of Life, and the Tree of Life, right here on earth. God moved it to that other dimension, the Heavenly, when Adam and Eve sinned per Genesis 3. Well, per the Old Testament prophets, His Adobe, His River and the Tree of Life is coming back... to this earth!

So far, nothing is showing a raptured Church taken back into Heaven off this earth.

Eph 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
KJV

Yes, as those heavenly places represent that OTHER DIMENSION OF THE HEAVENLY which is where God's 'present' Abode is. Yet in the future His Abode is coming back to this earth, where it once was. The earthly and the heavenly dimensions are going to be manifest together on earth in the same space and time. That's the idea those like @GRACE ambassador are missing from God's Word.

Same thing with Eph.1:20 and Eph.2:6. None of those Scriptures declare a raptured Church being taken back into Heaven off this earth when Jesus comes to gather His saints. Same with Philippians 3 and 2 Timothy 4.

ALL those above Scriptures are ASSUMED to be speaking of a raptured Church prior to the tribulation taken into Heaven and then returning to earth with Jesus at the 'second coming'. None of them point to that idea though. Those who think they do simply have not done enough Bible study to understand what the differences are between this earthly dimension and the heavenly dimension, and how the heavenly dimension of Spirit has changed location once before, and will again at Christ's future return to earth.