GOD's True Israel

[Luther7]

You are simply denying the Bible Scripture as written, and instead trying to create your own doctrines on this matter.

When Paul referred to those whom God did foreknow, he was specifically talking about his brethren the Jews who have been spiritually blinded.

When you read " And so all Israel will be saved", what do you think " SO" means? Does it mean like " And yeah all Israel"?....." And surely all Israel?.
The Greek dictionary of the Bible explains what "SO" means:

Greek: οὕτω
Transliteration: houtō
Pronunciation: hoo'-to
Definition: Or before a vowel οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce .
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that after (in) this manner as even (so) for all that like (-wise) no more on this fashion (-wise) so (in like manner) thus what.
KJV Usage: so (164x), thus (17x), even so (9x), on this wise (6x), likewise (4x), after this manner (3x), misc (10x).
Occurs: 213
In verses: 206

" IN THIS WAY", or " IN THIS MANNER ", referring to what PRECEDES OR FOLLOWS.....

Well in what way then will all Israel be saved? If you read all of Romans 11 ( as well as other chapters, especially 9), what does God say?
A REMNANT. .... THE ELECT ( chosen).

Romans 9:6-8:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all those of Israel are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your descendants shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh are not the children of God; but it is the children of the promise that are regarded as descendants.

" SO" the children of the promise are counted for the seed. That is NOT " all Israel".

 

[Davy]

When you read " And so all Israel will be saved", what do you think " SO" means? Does it mean like " And yeah all Israel"?....." And surely all Israel?.
The Greek dictionary of the Bible explains what "SO" means:

....

That's called word fallacy, pivoting around a single word to try and change the Scripture meaning.

Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Paul quotes from Isaiah and the OT prophets above, which is more specific that it applies to those of Israel that will believe on Christ Jesus once their blindness is removed by Christ at His coming.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God will not go back on His promises to His chosen. They still have to believe though.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV

 

[Luther7]

That's called word fallacy, pivoting around a single word to try and change the Scripture meaning.

Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Paul quotes from Isaiah and the OT prophets above, which is more specific that it applies to those of Israel that will believe on Christ Jesus once their blindness is removed by Christ at His coming.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God will not go back on His promises to His chosen. They still have to believe though.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV

Galatians 3:16-19 KJV - 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The "one seed" is one body of all who have faith in Jesus Christ, just as Abraham believed God. All jews ( as well as non) who believe are counted for the seed of Abraham.

 

[Davy]

Galatians 3:16-19 KJV - 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The "one seed" is one body of all who have faith in Jesus Christ, just as Abraham believed God. All jews ( as well as non) who believe are counted for the seed of Abraham.

I suggest you read that Galatians 3 Scripture more closely. Paul admits that "to Abraham and his seed were the promises made." That means, God had 'chosen' Israel for duty involving The Gospel during this present world. That is why The Gospel was preached first at Jerusalem. It couldn't be preached to the Ten Lost Tribes at Jesus' 1st coming because the ten tribes were no longer there in the holy land; they had already been scattered among the Gentiles many years earlier.

But once The Gospel was rejected at Jerusalem by the majority of the Jews there, it then went to the Gentiles and the ten lost tribes that were dwelling among the Gentiles. And after Judah's Babylon captivity, the majority of them were scattered among the Gentiles also like the ten tribes were, so that's how many Jewish converts got into Christ's Church also as believers on Jesus Christ. I know quite a few of them too, and they do not practice the old Jew's traditions. You really can't tell they are Jewish unless they reveal it, and they have done so to me.

By God scattering the majority of both the 3-tribe "house of Judah" and the 10-tribe "house of Israel" among the Gentiles, and then His chosen sent ones preaching The Gospel to them, that is how they all together... came to represent the largest portion of Christ's Church in the West. Then they, as Christian ambassadors, would take The Gospel to the rest of the nations.

Thus I have never agreed with Dispensationalist theory, which tries to divide Israelite believers from Gentile believers. Like Paul said, no difference between Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus, all one in Christ Jesus. I even follow Old Testament prophecy about Christ's Church reigning IN JERUSALEM when Lord Jesus returns! Guess who really hates that?

 

[Luther7]

I suggest you read that Galatians 3 Scripture more closely. Paul admits that "to Abraham and his seed were the promises made." That means, God had 'chosen' Israel for duty involving The Gospel during this present world. That is why The Gospel was preached first at Jerusalem. It couldn't be preached to the Ten Lost Tribes at Jesus' 1st coming because the ten tribes were no longer there in the holy land; they had already been scattered among the Gentiles many years earlier.

But once The Gospel was rejected at Jerusalem by the majority of the Jews there, it then went to the Gentiles and the ten lost tribes that were dwelling among the Gentiles. And after Judah's Babylon captivity, the majority of them were scattered among the Gentiles also like the ten tribes were, so that's how many Jewish converts got into Christ's Church also as believers on Jesus Christ. I know quite a few of them too, and they do not practice the old Jew's traditions. You really can't tell they are Jewish unless they reveal it, and they have done so to me.

By God scattering the majority of both the 3-tribe "house of Judah" and the 10-tribe "house of Israel" among the Gentiles, and then His chosen sent ones preaching The Gospel to them, that is how they all together... came to represent the largest portion of Christ's Church in the West. Then they, as Christian ambassadors, would take The Gospel to the rest of the nations.

Thus I have never agreed with Dispensationalist theory, which tries to divide Israelite believers from Gentile believers. Like Paul said, no difference between Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus, all one in Christ Jesus. I even follow Old Testament prophecy about Christ's Church reigning IN JERUSALEM when Lord Jesus returns! Guess who really hates that?

You said: "I suggest you read that Galatians 3 Scripture more closely......"


Galatians 3:28-29 KJV - 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I'm sorry but whether you realize it or not, you ARE dividing believers into two distinct groups.

As long as you believe that there is a special promise made to one group you are no different than a dispensationalist.

If you are in Christ, regardless of who you are, you are "Abraham's seed" figuratively or spiritually. However in the context of salvation we are the seed of Christ.

Jews aren't saved by their bloodline. If we were of the " literal" seed of Abraham IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING.

 

[Davy]

You said: "I suggest you read that Galatians 3 Scripture more closely......"


Galatians 3:28-29 KJV - 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

I'm sorry but whether you realize it or not, you ARE dividing believers into two distinct groups.

As long as you believe that there is a special promise made to one group you are no different than a dispensationalist.

If you are in Christ, regardless of who you are, you are "Abraham's seed" figuratively or spiritually. However in the context of salvation we are the seed of Christ.

Jews aren't saved by their bloodline. If we were of the " literal" seed of Abraham IT WOULD MEAN NOTHING.

Did you come here to PERSONALLY ATTACK ME? Sound's like you did, with all your rhetoric.

Like I said before about Galatians 3, you need to read it more closely, AND study you OLD TESTAMENT history about The Gospel of Jesus Christ! You are VERY LACKING in both.

SUMMING UP YOUR BAD ATTITUDE, it is this:
1. you have no interest in understanding God's Plan of HOW He gave The Gospel FIRST TO THE FAMILY THAT JESUS WOULD BE FROM. That began with ABRAHAM.

2. ... and per OLD TESTAMENT history, The Gospel Promise by Faith continued through Abraham's son Isaac, then through Isaac's son Jacob, then through Jacob's son Joseph, and then through Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh where The Gospel is STILL in their care TO THIS DAY.

3. ... and the Christian Western nations have 'kings' and 'queens' upon CHRISTIAN THRONES, descended from the HOUSE OF DAVID, of the TRIBE OF JUDAH. And that will CONTINUE UNTIL JESUS COMES TO INHERIT DAVID'S EARTHLY THRONE.

4. ... thus you do not care to understand HOW God has, and still is... USING THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL in The Gospel of Jesus Christ for a SPECIFIC DUTY. And that REGARDLESS of YOUR FAULTY THINKING that GOD has done away with His chosen which He foreknew.

Rom 11:1-2
11 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
KJV

Like I said, YOU need to read that Galatians 3 Scripture MORE CAREFULLY.

AND WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST!

 

[Luther7]

Did you come here to PERSONALLY ATTACK ME? Sound's like you did, with all your rhetoric.

Like I said before about Galatians 3, you need to read it more closely, AND study you OLD TESTAMENT history about The Gospel of Jesus Christ! You are VERY LACKING in both.

SUMMING UP YOUR BAD ATTITUDE, it is this:
1. you have no interest in understanding God's Plan of HOW He gave The Gospel FIRST TO THE FAMILY THAT JESUS WOULD BE FROM. That began with ABRAHAM.

2. ... and per OLD TESTAMENT history, The Gospel Promise by Faith continued through Abraham's son Isaac, then through Isaac's son Jacob, then through Jacob's son Joseph, and then through Joseph's two sons Ephraim and Manasseh where The Gospel is STILL in their care TO THIS DAY.

3. ... and the Christian Western nations have 'kings' and 'queens' upon CHRISTIAN THRONES, descended from the HOUSE OF DAVID, of the TRIBE OF JUDAH. And that will CONTINUE UNTIL JESUS COMES TO INHERIT DAVID'S EARTHLY THRONE.

4. ... thus you do not care to understand HOW God has, and still is... USING THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL in The Gospel of Jesus Christ for a SPECIFIC DUTY. And that REGARDLESS of YOUR FAULTY THINKING that GOD has done away with His chosen which He foreknew.

Rom 11:1-2
11 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
KJV

Like I said, YOU need to read that Galatians 3 Scripture MORE CAREFULLY.

AND WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST!

You said: "
SUMMING UP YOUR BAD ATTITUDE, it is this:
1. you have no interest in understanding God's Plan of HOW He gave The Gospel FIRST TO THE FAMILY THAT JESUS WOULD BE FROM. That began with ABRAHAM.

Right. And what happened:

Acts 13:45-47 KJV - 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.
47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

The jews AS A NATION REJECTED JESUS CHRIST. They rejected Him in the wilderness, when their Messiah came, and to this very day as they plot our destruction. Ye Christian zionists hath gone a whoring with these idolaters. I'm not saying you Dave, but I would stay as far away from them as possible. And that includes giving them a free pass or the concept of a millennial kingdom which they also believe is promised for them.

 

[Jack]

The Israel wannabees have to TOOT their own horns or NOBODY would even notice them!

God bless Israel in the Land of the Bible who is in International news nearly every day! They don't have to TOOT their horns. God does it for them!

 

[Luther7]

That's called word fallacy, pivoting around a single word to try and change the Scripture meaning.

Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, "There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins."

Paul quotes from Isaiah and the OT prophets above, which is more specific that it applies to those of Israel that will believe on Christ Jesus once their blindness is removed by Christ at His coming.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

God will not go back on His promises to His chosen. They still have to believe though.

30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that He might have mercy upon all.
KJV

Once again, Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Back then, there was a remnant of jews faithful to the Lord, waiting for the Deliverer, the true Messiah. They became CHRISTIANS. But Paul is speaking to those jews who rejected Jesus Christ. It's no different today.Any jew today who receives eternal life becomes a Christian. SO, ( in this manner), ALL ISRAEL will become saved.

There is no such thing in the NEW COVENANT as " national salvation". We all come to Christ as INDIVIDUALS.

 

[Davy]

Once again, Acts 13:46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

Back then, there was a remnant of jews faithful to the Lord, waiting for the Deliverer, the true Messiah. They became CHRISTIANS. But Paul is speaking to those jews who rejected Jesus Christ. It's no different today.Any jew today who receives eternal life becomes a Christian. SO, ( in this manner), ALL ISRAEL will become saved.

There is no such thing in the NEW COVENANT as " national salvation". We all come to Christ as INDIVIDUALS.

What about what I covered from Apostle Paul in Romans 11? Are you afraid to address what Paul said there?

 

[Luther7]

What about what I covered from Apostle Paul in Romans 11? Are you afraid to address what Paul said there?

Never, ever afraid to address God's Word.
You quoted:
Rom 11:1-2
11 I say then, Hath God cast away His people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away His people which He foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying

Now, over the years this is the insincerity I've become accustomed to, taking key moments in Scripture out of context. Let's keep reading:

Romans 11:2-5 KJV - 2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

For the dispensationalists, this is one of those "blindspots" that occur before getting to the "ALL ISRAEL" doctrine. Who do you think the REMNANT is?
ALL ISRAEL is the remnant of jews that become Christians.

Romans 11:26 KJV
And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

Romans 11:27 KJV
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

There is only one " covenant" that God honours, the New Covenant in Christ's shed blood.

 

[Davy]

ALL ISRAEL is the remnant of jews that become Christians.

That's where your mistake in interpretation is, you don't know the difference between the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel". No doubt the doctrine of men you have been influenced by re-interprets the Old Testament Scriptures based on The New Testament, when that is not how God's Word is laid out.

The Old Testament prophesies what will happen; The New Testament confirms it coming to pass, and it is not complete yet today. There is still much Old Testament prophecy that has not been fulfilled yet. And that's where your lack of understanding is.

I'll give you an example.

The following Hosea verses were history. Who is that "house of Israel", and who is that "house of Judah"?

Hos 1:6-7
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, "Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away."

7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
KJV

 

[Luther7]

That's where your mistake in interpretation is, you don't know the difference between the "house of Judah" and the "house of Israel". No doubt the doctrine of men you have been influenced by re-interprets the Old Testament Scriptures based on The New Testament, when that is not how God's Word is laid out.

The Old Testament prophesies what will happen; The New Testament confirms it coming to pass, and it is not complete yet today. There is still much Old Testament prophecy that has not been fulfilled yet. And that's where your lack of understanding is.

I'll give you an example.

The following Hosea verses were history. Who is that "house of Israel", and who is that "house of Judah"?

Hos 1:6-7
6 And she conceived again, and bare a daughter. And God said unto him, "Call her name Lo-ruhamah: for I will no more have mercy upon the house of Israel; but I will utterly take them away."

7 But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.
KJV

Genesis 49:10 KJV
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Revelation 5:5 KJV
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Matthew 2:4-6 KJV
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[6] And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Psalm 78:68 KJV
But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

2 Kings 19:30-31 KJV
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.
[31] For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

The house or tribe of Judah has a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ.


So when we read Hosea 1:7:
But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

We can see how God wants us to understand it, through the Spiritual seed of Jesus Christ, with all Christians as the house or tribe of Judah.
When God makes a " new covenant" with the house of Israel AND the house of Judah, this is the covenant of salvation to the jew and also to the gentile.

 

[amigo de christo]

When you read " And so all Israel will be saved", what do you think " SO" means? Does it mean like " And yeah all Israel"?....." And surely all Israel?.
The Greek dictionary of the Bible explains what "SO" means:

Greek: οὕτω
Transliteration: houtō
Pronunciation: hoo'-to
Definition: Or before a vowel οὕτως houtōs hoo'-toce .
From G3778; in this way (referring to what precedes or follows): - after that after (in) this manner as even (so) for all that like (-wise) no more on this fashion (-wise) so (in like manner) thus what.
KJV Usage: so (164x), thus (17x), even so (9x), on this wise (6x), likewise (4x), after this manner (3x), misc (10x).
Occurs: 213
In verses: 206

" IN THIS WAY", or " IN THIS MANNER ", referring to what PRECEDES OR FOLLOWS.....

Well in what way then will all Israel be saved? If you read all of Romans 11 ( as well as other chapters, especially 9), what does God say?
A REMNANT. .... THE ELECT ( chosen).

Romans 9:6-8:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all those of Israel are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your descendants shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh are not the children of God; but it is the children of the promise that are regarded as descendants.

" SO" the children of the promise are counted for the seed. That is NOT " all Israel".

ALL WHO are saved , ALL who are saved are all of ISRAEL . their faith be IN JESUS THE CHRIST
Anyone whose faith be NOT IN HIM . I can assure us all THEY WILL NOT be saved .
People are so quick to forget , seeing they dont read the bible for themselves ,
How every apostel from peter , even paul were jewish born .
AND I DARN sure see what they said to both the jews and gentiles . WHO they preached
and they warned in e very single syngangoue as well as to the gentile
A dire warning , shaking off of dust against ALL WHO DID NOT BELIEVE ON JESUS .
WHEN paul says SO all of israel shall be saved , HE is not imply all of israel , but that all OF ISRAEL shall be saved .
And not all who are of israel ARE OF ISRAEL . man i pray this sinks into this g eneration and real fast
SO IT cAN GET UP and HELP ME preach JESUS and contend for the one true gospel .

 

[Marvelloustime]

ALL WHO are saved , ALL who are saved are all of ISRAEL . their faith be IN JESUS THE CHRIST
Anyone whose faith be NOT IN HIM . I can assure us all THEY WILL NOT be saved .
People are so quick to forget , seeing they dont read the bible for themselves ,
How every apostel from peter , even paul were jewish born .
AND I DARN sure see what they said to both the jews and gentiles . WHO they preached
and they warned in e very single syngangoue as well as to the gentile
A dire warning , shaking off of dust against ALL WHO DID NOT BELIEVE ON JESUS .
WHEN paul says SO all of israel shall be saved , HE is not imply all of israel , but that all OF ISRAEL shall be saved .
And not all who are of israel ARE OF ISRAEL . man i pray this sinks into this g eneration and real fast
SO IT cAN GET UP and HELP ME preach JESUS and contend for the one true gospel .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

@amigo de christo
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POINT to JESUS to the final breath dear sister . WE shall point to HIM . Their will be a t remendous cost for this sister .
BUT LET US count it and prepare to lose all ,even our lives if it be the will of GOD , FOR HIS SAKE and THE GOSPEL .

 

[Davy]

Genesis 49:10 KJV
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Revelation 5:5 KJV
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

Matthew 2:4-6 KJV
And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.
[5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
[6] And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.

Psalm 78:68 KJV
But chose the tribe of Judah, the mount Zion which he loved.

2 Kings 19:30-31 KJV
And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.
[31] For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the LORD of hosts shall do this.

The house or tribe of Judah has a spiritual relationship with Jesus Christ.


So when we read Hosea 1:7:
But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the LORD their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

We can see how God wants us to understand it, through the Spiritual seed of Jesus Christ, with all Christians as the house or tribe of Judah.
When God makes a " new covenant" with the house of Israel AND the house of Judah, this is the covenant of salvation to the jew and also to the gentile.

So... you don't know the answer to my question. I'll tell you.

The Hosea prophecy is God speaking primarily to the "house of Israel", which means the NORTHERN TEN TRIBE KINGDOM that He setup Jeroboam of the tribe of EPHRAIM as "king of Israel" in the NORTH. These ten tribes had nothing to do with Judah. The "kingdom of Judah" was a separate kingdom in the south at Jerusalem-Judea. The tribes of Benjamin and Levi became allied with the tribe of Judah as the southern "kingdom of Judah", or "house of Judah". These are the ones who called themselves JEWS. The northern TEN TRIBES were not known as Jews.

Because of the false worship the NORTHERN TEN TRIBES under Jeroboam's calf idols, God had enough and in the Book of Hosea He is telling them He is going to scatter them and end the "kingdom of Israel" (ten northern tribe kingdom). At that time Judah, or the "kingdom of Judah" in the south, was still faithful in worship, so He promised to save them at the time. But LATER in the Book of Hosea, God mentioned how even Judah would fall away and be scattered like the ten tribes were.

That Bible history you have TOTALLY MISSED.