Good News. Global Warming Will Not End Life As We Know It

[The Barbarian]

I was born in seventy two and as a wee lad i do remember this giant cry about global cooling , talks of an ice age .
AND yes they were using this tatics IN ORDER to attain power and control over teh world .

Actually that's a myth. See my link about what climatologists were actually predicting. Even in the 1970s, most of them were predicting warming.

 

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler

And right on cue here is the lover of all pseudo-science, The Barbarian, has commented above.

Since you know more about this than me, Wrangler, I'll leave it to you, I have to get to sleep. Look forward to reading your response

The fun part, as always, is picking apart the logic of their arguments. One of their favorite is Appeal to Authority; they only want to acknowledge evidence in support of their position and anything else is not credible. (I must already have the Barbarian on ignore. LOL. But for this thread, maybe I'll be a sport about it. :-))

 

[Wrangler]

So, yes those daisy climate pseudo-scientists are telling us about climate change. What were real climate scientists predicting?

Look @Armour of God! An appeal to authority, "real" climate scientists. (Ignore that what they predicted was wrong nearly 98% of the time).

I'm no climatologist. But I do garden. And I notice that the hardiness zones have been moving north for decades.

One of my favorite observations made regarding alarmists is their schizophrenia on the relationship between weather and climate. Every record hot day is offered as more proof of AGW. What about record cold days? Even though record cold days double the number of record hot days since the alarmism began, they be like, "Weather is not the same as climate."

This post goes back to the modeling question. Let's stipulate that "the hardiness zones have been moving north for decades." How do you determine the proportion of causal agents? One of my presentation slides showed evidence of global warming on other planets, including Pluto. Given that there is no internal combustion engine on these planets, how does an alarmist explain this fact? They don't and just ignore it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually that's a myth. See my link about what climatologists were actually predicting. Even in the 1970s, most of them were predicting warming.

some were preaching warming , some were preaching a cooling .
These nimrods i refuse to heed . If this people wants to heed Govts and sciences of men
prepare to reap DELUSION and then later DESTRUCTION on JESUS day .
These sold out globalists , these money hungry elites , Sorry to have to tell ya , THEY DONT GIVE A RIP about you , me
or anyone . THEY are fleecing us all now . AND they got both sides under the spell .
Welcome to beast farm . cause that is exactly who this entire world and its systems , govts , false religoins
and an number no man can count in even christendom is headed RIGHT TOO .
IT WONT save you . ITS GONNA LIE to you all just like these spirits have been doing all along .
So dont be hoping in TRUMP n vance either . THEY PRETEND to be against the same global order
BUT NO sir they too do its bidding , namely in the religious realm .
SO repeat after me . THEY do not love YOU , they do not love me , they dont even love the sheep they use for their agenda .

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually that's a myth. See my link about what climatologists were actually predicting. Even in the 1970s, most of them were predicting warming.

you wanna have a good laugh and then a good cry .
GO look at their so called lists of all the things they claim global warming can do .
ITs a joke .
it would be like me saying any possible scenario known to man , and if ANY ONE of them even happens
they say SEEE we told you its global warming . people are truly , i was about to say stupied , but that is mean .
SO how about i just say they TOO TRUST ING . they trust in govt and their men like they be GOD himself .

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually that's a myth. See my link about what climatologists were actually predicting. Even in the 1970s, most of them were predicting warming.

Wanna hear some more of what these lost in the wind leaders try and sell us .
They sold us on carbon gas , as if a buffalo phart gonna harm the world .
But now they so blind they cannot even realize what i am about to say next .
Before i do , please allow me to tell you what one of their articles said .
Global warming , deadly , we have rivers drying up . We can now see into these caves that used to be underwater
and are finding remains of a civilization .
HEY NIMRODS , if this has not happend before , THEN I GUESS that society had GILLS and lived under water .
What a joke . well it would be if it were not so serious .
What , did we used to have g ills and live in underwater caves .
OR , OR HAS IT BEEN THIS DRY BEFORE . and the answer is , IT HAS BEEN this DRY BEFORE .
CLIMATE always changes and shifts . AINT nothing new under the sun .

 

[The Barbarian]

GO look at their so called lists of all the things they claim global warming can do .

Depends on who "they" are, I suppose. Show me what climatologist say. So far, as you see from my rather superficial search, climatologists have been pretty good at predicting what is going to happen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Look @Armour of God! An appeal to authority, "real" climate scientists. (Ignore that what they predicted was wrong nearly 98% of the time).

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One of my favorite observations made regarding alarmists is their schizophrenia on the relationship between weather and climate. Every record hot day is offered as more proof of AGW. What about record cold days? Even though record cold days double the number of record hot days since the alarmism began, they be like, "Weather is not the same as climate."

This post goes back to the modeling question. Let's stipulate that "the hardiness zones have been moving north for decades." How do you determine the proportion of causal agents? One of my presentation slides showed evidence of global warming on other planets, including Pluto. Given that there is no internal combustion engine on these planets, how does an alarmist explain this fact? They don't and just ignore it.

they have that covered too . you should see the list of impossibly endless scenarios they came up with .
THEY LIE to us all wrangler . DONT ever heed them carbon gas , buffalo phart gonna end the world camp of global warming .
AS IF this has not happend before .
AND HOW DO I KNOW it has .
WHEN They
made the big huge ado about how certain rivers are dissapearing and drying up
THEIR Words were , we could see inside these caves and places that used to be underwater
BUT NOW DUE TO COWS PHARTING , lol , but now due to the dangerous global warming
We see where people actually lived in some of those caves .
DID YA CATCH THAT . they found evidence of humans having lived in these under water caves .
Now for the kicker . G UESS THEY HAD GILLS . OR HAS IT BEEN LIKE THIS BEFORE .

 

[The Barbarian]

They sold us on carbon gas , as if a buffalo phart gonna harm the world .

Show us that. I think someone was pulling your leg. Buffalo don't actually fart greenhouse gases. They do belch them, but there aren't enough buffalo in the world to matter much. Maybe there are enough cattle, but I haven't seen the numbers.

Global warming , deadly , we have rivers drying up . We can now see into these caves that used to be underwater
and are finding remains of a civilization .
HEY NIMRODS , if this has not happend before , THEN I GUESS that society had GILLS and lived under water

Yes, climate has fluctuated. The carbon content in the Earth's atmosphere has been high before, with the same results. We're just doing it faster than it usually goes.

 

[Wrangler]

climatologists have been pretty good at predicting what is going to happen.

From https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_...uting-12-claims-made-by-climate-alarmists.pdf

Refuting 12 Claims Made by Climate Alarmists

Alarmist Claim #1: Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking

FACT: 2008 peer-reviewed paper in American Geophysical Union found “a doubling in snow accumulation in​

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the western Antarctic Peninsula since 1850.”​

Alarmist Claim #2: Glaciers are melting throughout the world.

FACT: A UN Report in 2010 reported that “glaciers increasing despite climate change… glaciers in many areas of​

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the world are increasing.”​

Alarmist Claim #3: The IPCC stated the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. .

FACT: The IPCC got that unsubstantiated and false statistic from a World Wildlife Federation brochure. In​

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January 2010, Time magazine article, Himalayan Melting, How a Climate Panel Got it Wrong: “Glaciergate” is a​

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“black eye for the IPCC and the climate-science community as a whole.”​

Alarmist Claim #4: Polar Bears are disappearing.

FACT: Director of Wildlife Research with the Arctic Government of Nunavut: “Of 13 populations of polar bears​

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in Canada, 11 are stable or increasing in number. They are not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at​

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present.”​

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FACT: In the 50’s and 60’s there were between 5,000 and 10,000 polar bears. Today there are between 15,000 and​

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25,000.​

Alarmist Claim #5: May 2013, President Obama claimed the climate is warming faster than anybody anticipated five or 10 years ago.”

FACT: Nature reported “For the period [1998-2012] the observed trend of temperatures is … not significantly​

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different from zero and suggests a temporary hiatus in global warming.”​

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FACT: The Economist reported “over the past 15 years, air temperatures at the Earth’s surface have been flat …”​

Alarmist Claim #6: 2014 was the warmest year in modern record by 0.02 degree.

FACT: Only a “38% chance 2014 was the warmest year on record.” Margin of error, which on average is 0.1 degree​

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Celsius, made “impossible to conclude 2014 was the warmest year” according to the Berkeley Earth Surface​

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Temperature (BEST) project stated,​

Alarmist Claim #7: In 2000, Democrats started saying that the science is settled.

FACT: I started getting phone calls from scientists disagreeing so I made a speech on the floor showing how many​

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scientists disagreed.​

Alarmist Claim #8: Global warming is causing more tornadoes.

FACT: A NOAA scientist rejected global warming link to tornados stating “no specific consensus or connection​

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between global warming and tornadic activity.”​

Alarmist Claim #9: Global warming is causing hurricanes to increase in intensity and frequency.

FACT: Geophysical Research Letters found “since 2006 tropical cyclone energy has decreased dramatically” to the​

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lowest levels since the 1970s. Global frequency of tropical cyclones has reached a historic low.​

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Alarmist Claim #10: Global warming is leading to an increased number of droughts.

FACT: IPCC Fifth Assessment report, previous “conclusions regarding global increasing trend in drought since​

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the 1970s were probably overstated.”​

Alarmist Claim #11: Global warming is causing sea levels to rise at a rapid pace.

FACT: Journal of Geophysical Research found “there has been no statistically significant acceleration in sea level​

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rise over the past 100 plus years.”​

Alarmist Claim #12: 97% of scientists agree global warming is manmade.

FACT: WSJ found the 97% consensus to be predicated on “a handful of surveys and abstract-counting exercises​

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that have been contradicted by more reliable research.”​

 

[The Barbarian]

One of my favorite observations made regarding alarmists is their schizophrenia on the relationship between weather and climate. Every record hot day is offered as more proof of AGW. What about record cold days?

Extreme cold has decreased sharply. Since the 1990s, the frequency and severity of record-cold winter temperatures have dropped substantially.

https://phys.org/news/2026-04-climate-decline-hot-cold-extreme.html

Weather is not climate. So you'll still expect to see a record cold for some area or another for a short time, even if the average temperature is climing. This is why you should see what climatologists say, not alarmists or deniers.

This post goes back to the modeling question. Let's stipulate that "the hardiness zones have been moving north for decades." How do you determine the proportion of causal agents?

For one thing, you look at theories that have made predictions. In the late 1800s, scientists began to realize that more carbon in the atmosphere would mean warmer average temperatures. A few decades ago, a NASA scientist actually predicted the rate of increase as a consquence of increasing carbon. Both predictions have been confirmed.

One of my presentation slides showed evidence of global warming on other planets, including Pluto.

Given that there are no humans on Pluto, we can rule out anthropogenic carbon as a cause. Also it has a very, very thing atmosphere, so that wouldn't be a factor, either. However, Pluto has a very eccentric orbit, sometimes coming closer to the Sun than Neptune. It was closest to the Sun about 30 years ago, and since it takes about 248 years to orbit the Sun, it's not surprising that it's warmer than usual now.

How do deniers deal with this fact? Generally, they don't know about it, so it's not a challenge to their assumptions.

 

[Wrangler]

The carbon content in the Earth's atmosphere has been high before, with the same results.

Nope. The AGW hypothesis violates Henry’s Law. What the facts of geological time show is CO2 rise follows temperature rise (by about 800 years.) Manmade global warming hysteria has cause and effect backwards.

 

[Wrangler]

Extreme cold has decreased sharply. Since the 1990s, the frequency and severity of record-cold winter temperatures have dropped substantially.
https://phys.org/news/2026-04-climate-decline-hot-cold-extreme.html

So, your contention is man causinG warming began in 1990?

One observation made is how alarmists always cherry pick data to make it seem like evidence supports their alarmism. Less extreme weather is good, right?

 

[The Barbarian]

From https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/_...uting-12-claims-made-by-climate-alarmists.pdf

Refuting 12 Claims Made by Climate Alarmists

Alarmist Claim #1: Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking

In the Southern Hemisphere summer of 2002, scientists monitoring daily satellite images of the Antarctic Peninsula watched in amazement as almost the entire Larsen B Ice Shelf splintered and collapsed in just over one month. They had never witnessed such a large area—3,250 square kilometers, or 1,250 square miles—disintegrate so rapidly.

World of Change: Collapse of the Larsen-B Ice Shelf - NASA Science

In early 2002, scientists monitoring daily satellite images of the Antarctic Peninsula watched in amazement as almost the entire Larsen B Ice Shelf splintered and collapsed in just over one month. They had never witnessed such a large area disintegrate so rapidly.

science.nasa.gov

So, how can the peninsula become smaller, and still have it showing more often? Turns out, the same reason for both. Warmer seas undercut the ice shelf and it collapsed. And warmer air holds more water and means more snow. Ironically, it doesn't show much in Antarctica:

Antarctica is considered a desert because it receives very little rain or snowfall. The small amount of snow that does fall does not melt but builds up over hundreds and thousands of years to form large, thick ice sheets.

Frequently Asked Questions About Antarctica - NASA

Want to learn more about Antarctica? Visit our Frequently Asked Questions About Antarctica page now.

www.nasa.gov

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Alarmist Claim #2: Glaciers are melting throughout the world.

It’s a startling fact that no one can afford to ignore that a staggering 90% of glaciers and ice fields worldwide are in retreat due to a rising surface and atmosphere temperature, an effect which is particularly bullying the Arctic region at this time. But rest assured, in fact be astounded to learn, that some glaciers are either holding a steady position, or, even more surprisingly, have been advancing at greater rates than even before climate change became noticeable.

Are Some Of The Earth's Glaciers Actually Becoming Larger?

In the midst of global warming, some glaciers on our planet appear to be growing instead of shrinking.

www.worldatlas.com

Not surprisingly the exceptions are those glaciers in areas where precipitation has increased, meaning more snowfall.

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Alarmist Claim #3: The IPCC stated the Himalayan glaciers would melt by 2035. .

Well, they are melting now. At a faster rate than other glaciers. Let's go to the IPCC site and see what it actually says about Himalyan glaciers:

Its total area will likely shrink from the present 500,000 to 100,000 km2 by the year 2035 (WWF, 2005).

AR4 WGII Chapter 10: Asia - 10.6.2 The Himalayan glaciers

Well, maybe not completely melted. But any melt counts, I guess.

Himalayan glaciers providing critical water to nearly two billion people are melting faster than ever before due to climate change, exposing communities to unpredictable and costly disasters, scientists warned Tuesday.

The glaciers disappeared 65 percent faster from 2011 to 2020 compared with the previous decade, according to a report by the International Centre for Integrated Mountain Development (ICIMOD)...Based on current emissions trajectories, the glaciers could lose up to 80 percent of their current volume by the end of the century, said the Nepal-based ICIMOD, an inter-governmental organization that also includes member countries Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, China, India, Myanmar, and Pakistan.
Himalayan Glaciers Are Melting 65% Faster Than Just 10 Years Ago

Your alarm is apparently unwarranted.

 

[The Barbarian]

ope. The AGW hypothesis violates Henry’s Law.

I don't think you know what that law says. What do you think it says?

What the facts of geological time show is CO2 rise follows temperature rise (by about 800 years.)

Well, we have pretty good data since people started keeping track. Let's take a look...


Reality says deniers have it backwards. Looks like temperatures react a lot faster than you were told.

 

[Wrangler]

In the Southern Hemisphere summer of 2002

LOL. It’s so funny how you ignore the facts presented.

 

[Rockerduck]

I have supreme confidence in our God and Christ Jesus my savior. God has sovereign authority over all His creation. God alone controls the weather, climate, and everything. He spoke it into being and its a little thing to control His creation. Nothing is impossible with God.

 

[The Barbarian]

So, your contention is man causinG warming began in 1990?

If you look at the graph of average global temperatures, you'll see that the warming trend accelerated about that time.

So, it's not surprising. As you see, warming began nearly a century before that, and then accelerated in the 1980s.

Alarmist Claim #5: May 2013, President Obama claimed the climate is warming faster than anybody anticipated five or 10 years ago.”

See the graph of actual measured global temperatures. He had it right about the acceleration of warming, but I would say that some climatologists had anticipated it earlier than that. All this data is available on scientific databases, BTW.

 

[The Barbarian]

Alarmist Claim #1: Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking

In the Southern Hemisphere summer of 2002, scientists monitoring daily satellite images of the Antarctic Peninsula watched in amazement as almost the entire Larsen B Ice Shelf splintered and collapsed in just over one month. They had never witnessed such a large area—3,250 square kilometers, or 1,250 square miles—disintegrate so rapidly.

LOL. It’s so funny how you ignore the facts presented.

Denial isn't fact. The information I showed you are facts. This stuff isn't hard to look up. A dose of skepticism is healthy for you. Remember, when someone tells you something you really, really want to be true, that's when you should be most wary. Because that's when you are easiest to fool. That's when all of us are easiest to fool. I'm no different; that's why I fact check especially carefully when I see a claim that I would like to be true.

 

[The Barbarian]

Alarmist Claim #9: Global warming is causing hurricanes to increase in intensity and frequency.

The climatologist reports I see predicted an increase in severity, not frequency. Can you show us a consensus on frequency by climatologists?

FACT: Geophysical Research Letters found “since 2006 tropical cyclone energy has decreased dramatically” to thelowest levels since the 1970s. Global frequency of tropical cyclones has reached a historic low.

High-quality satellite-based data shows an increase in the number of Category 5 storms. Of the 217 Cat 5s globally during the 44-year period 1982 to 2025, 59% occurred in the last half of the period (Fig. 1), and there has been an increase in the number of Cat 5s since accurate global satellite data became available in 1982 (and technically, this is statistically significant at better than the 1% level – meaning that this is a real trend and not random variability). And if we look at the strongest tropical cyclones by ocean basin since 1980 (Fig. 2), the records for nine out of 11 of these ocean basins were set in the last half of the 46-year period ending in 2025.

Global warming is making the strongest hurricanes stronger » Yale Climate Connections

Recent studies link human-caused warming to more powerful, more destructive storms worldwide.

yaleclimateconnections.org

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