He must reign 1 cor 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. In writing a chapter addressed to the corinthians in regards to the resurrection of the saints, whereby the last enemy, physical death will be destroyed, paul makes this point..That, the Lord Jesus christ must reign, putting all enemies under His feet..His reigning here is in the greek, a present tense verb infinitive, denoting He is presently reigning..The word means:basileuō and means:to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reignmetaph. to exercise the highest influence, to controlThis informs us, that presently, The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords is upon His throne of Glory excersising his Kingly power, the Highest Influence and control over all creatures..matt 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Not only has it been given to Him, but he is excersising it..all the time..The Lord Jesus christ is reigning right now and putting all enemies under His feet, subduing them with His power as phil 3 21 indicates:Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.The word subdue is the greek word:hypotassō which means:to arrange under, to subordinate2) to subject, put in subjection3) to subject one's self, obey4) to submit to one's control5) to yield to one's admonition or advice6) to obey, be subjectThe Lord by His Sovereign Kingly power, subdues, causes to be subject, causes to be obedient, causes to yield to His control, all things. That includes, men or devils, or elements..all things is quite expansive..look at 1 pet 3:22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.Everything and everyone has been made subject to Him..The Devil and His Angels, the blessed Good Angels, all men, elect and none elect have beenmade subject to Him and His power..The phrase, being made subject unto Him , in the greek is aorist passive voice, meaning everything and one has been put under His power and authority..The text says he is reigning putting all His enemies under His feet..One way The Lord Jesus christ puts His enemies under His feet, is by the conversion of His elect, those he died for..Yes, the elect, by nature, we are enemies to christ, by wicked works, and at enmity with him in our unregenerated minds..i.e:eph 2:2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. col 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciledrom 8:Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.yes, all the elect by nature, are Gods enemies, by having a unrenewed mind, by nature..So one of the proofs of Jesus christ reigning upon his Throne of Glory lk 24:Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?One of the proofs is the conversion of His elect enemies..you see, those who jesus christ died for, the power of darkness, has been destroyed by him on their behalf..and when a soul isconverted unto Him, its a testimony to His power, and him subuing his enemie under His feet..Do you recall the story of saul on the road to damascus ? acts 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. what we have here in this sacred story, is the illustration, of the resurrected Jesus christ, upon His Throne of Glory, subduing an enemie under his feet..causing him to become subject to Him, obedient to him, remember the definition earlier of the words reign and subdue..you see how saul was turned from being a staunch enemie, unto humble submission ? That was the power of christ, reigning upon His throne..And Jesus was not finshed , there were others, that he was going to turn them from the power of satan unto God..read what paul said in acts 26:18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: it was the Lord Jesus christ reigning upon His Throne of Glory that 3000 souls repented of their sin that day of pentecost..remeber peter said that Jesus christ poured out the holy Ghost that day upon His church, indicating he was ruling and reigning upon His throne acts 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. it was the Lord jesus christ converting and adding to His church, that He was building acts 2:47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Notice, the Lord added, not freewill, not human decision, not peter even, but the Lord added to the church, He did it as He was reigning upon His throne of glory, subduing His elect enemies under His feet, causing them to be obedient to him..The word added in acts 2 47..it is the greek word:prostithēmi and it means:to put to2) to adda) i.e. to join to, gather with any company, the number of one's followers or companions1) he was gathered to his fathers i.e. diedThe word is also translated increase as in lk 17 5It was the Lord Jesus christ, who added to his followers, he gathered them to himself..he joined them to himself, he increased his followers and made other believers..remember in jn 11 where it was prophesied that he would gather all the children of God scattered abroad ? Jn 11:52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. paul writes to the ephisians that it was to the glory of christ, he owed His trusting of Jesus christ eph 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In other words, its to the praise of the reigning Jesus christ, he who subdues His spiritual enemies under his feet, it was to his power, that paul owed his trusting in jesus christ..his obdience to jesus christ..and not only he, but so the same to all the election of grace..its a shame before God, that so called preachers of the gospel and suposedly believers in Jesus christ, are going about preaching the lies, that Jesus christ died for all people, and yet some of them will go to hell for their sins, or that people belonging to Jesus in conversion, can yet somehow loose their salvation..all these blasphmies betray of whom they really represent, and its not Jesus christ..they preach and teach a Jesus christ who is not reigning with all power in heaven and earth in His hand, and who is not subduing all his enemies under his feet, they serve and teach a false christ, who is either idley sitting around in heaven, hoping that peole will accept him, or that he is doing the best he can to influnce them into subjection..This is a false jesus christ they teach and preach and not the Jesus christ who now reigns Sovereignly on His throne, subduing his enemies under His feet, to the Glory of God..May God have mercy on His chosen, for christ sake..
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He must reign 1 cor 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. In writing a chapter addressed to the corinthians in regards to the resurrection of the saints, whereby the last enemy, physical death will be destroyed, paul makes this point..That, the Lord Jesus christ must reign, putting all enemies under His feet..His reigning here is in the greek, a present tense verb infinitive, denoting He is presently reigning..The word means:basileuō and means:to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reignmetaph. to exercise the highest influence, to controlThis informs us, that presently, The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords is upon His throne of Glory excersising his Kingly power, the Highest Influence and control over all creatures..matt 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Not only has it been given to Him, but he is excersising it..all the time..The Lord Jesus christ is reigning right now and putting all enemies under His feet, subduing them with His power as phil 3 21 indicates:Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.The word subdue is the greek word:hypotassō which means:to arrange under, to subordinate2) to subject, put in subjection3) to subject one's self, obey4) to submit to one's control5) to yield to one's admonition or advice6) to obey, be subjectThe Lord by His Sovereign Kingly power, subdues, causes to be subject, causes to be obedient, causes to yield to His control, all things. That includes, men or devils, or elements..all things is quite expansive..look at 1 pet 3:22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.Everything and everyone has been made subject to Him..The Devil and His Angels, the blessed Good Angels, all men, elect and none elect have beenmade subject to Him and His power..The phrase, being made subject unto Him , in the greek is aorist passive voice, meaning everything and one has been put under His power and authority..The text says he is reigning putting all His enemies under His feet..One way The Lord Jesus christ puts His enemies under His feet, is by the conversion of His elect, those he died for..Yes, the elect, by nature, we are enemies to christ, by wicked works, and at enmity with him in our unregenerated minds..i.e:eph 2:2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. col 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciledrom 8:Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.yes, all the elect by nature, are Gods enemies, by having a unrenewed mind, by nature..So one of the proofs of Jesus christ reigning upon his Throne of Glory lk 24:Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?One of the proofs is the conversion of His elect enemies..you see, those who jesus christ died for, the power of darkness, has been destroyed by him on their behalf..and when a soul isconverted unto Him, its a testimony to His power, and him subuing his enemie under His feet..Do you recall the story of saul on the road to damascus ? acts 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. what we have here in this sacred story, is the illustration, of the resurrected Jesus christ, upon His Throne of Glory, subduing an enemie under his feet..causing him to become subject to Him, obedient to him, remember the definition earlier of the words reign and subdue..you see how saul was turned from being a staunch enemie, unto humble submission ? That was the power of christ, reigning upon His throne..And Jesus was not finshed , there were others, that he was going to turn them from the power of satan unto God..read what paul said in acts 26:18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: it was the Lord Jesus christ reigning upon His Throne of Glory that 3000 souls repented of their sin that day of pentecost..remeber peter said that Jesus christ poured out the holy Ghost that day upon His church, indicating he was ruling and reigning upon His throne acts 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. it was the Lord jesus christ converting and adding to His church, that He was building acts 2:47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Notice, the Lord added, not freewill, not human decision, not peter even, but the Lord added to the church, He did it as He was reigning upon His throne of glory, subduing His elect enemies under His feet, causing them to be obedient to him..The word added in acts 2 47..it is the greek word:prostithēmi and it means:to put to2) to adda) i.e. to join to, gather with any company, the number of one's followers or companions1) he was gathered to his fathers i.e. diedThe word is also translated increase as in lk 17 5It was the Lord Jesus christ, who added to his followers, he gathered them to himself..he joined them to himself, he increased his followers and made other believers..remember in jn 11 where it was prophesied that he would gather all the children of God scattered abroad ? Jn 11:52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. paul writes to the ephisians that it was to the glory of christ, he owed His trusting of Jesus christ eph 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In other words, its to the praise of the reigning Jesus christ, he who subdues His spiritual enemies under his feet, it was to his power, that paul owed his trusting in jesus christ..his obdience to jesus christ..and not only he, but so the same to all the election of grace..its a shame before God, that so called preachers of the gospel and suposedly believers in Jesus christ, are going about preaching the lies, that Jesus christ died for all people, and yet some of them will go to hell for their sins, or that people belonging to Jesus in conversion, can yet somehow loose their salvation..all these blasphmies betray of whom they really represent, and its not Jesus christ..they preach and teach a Jesus christ who is not reigning with all power in heaven and earth in His hand, and who is not subduing all his enemies under his feet, they serve and teach a false christ, who is either idley sitting around in heaven, hoping that peole will accept him, or that he is doing the best he can to influnce them into subjection..This is a false jesus christ they teach and preach and not the Jesus christ who now reigns Sovereignly on His throne, subduing his enemies under His feet, to the Glory of God..May God have mercy on His chosen, for christ sake..
Dear SavedbyGrace57,Thanks for your Rhemas. My feeling is that what they should believe is that Jesus died for those who would be saved and possibly for those who had been covered by insufficient sacrifices before His crucifixion. He was the sin-free (blemish-free) Lamb!!Nope. I don't think He died for those who would never accept Him as Lord and Savior. I'm also reminded of something discussed somewhere else on this site recently:According to 1st Corinthians 14:3, prophecy is edification, EXHORTATION, and comfort. So, maybe...thanks for your prophecies too??!!
I look forward to reading more of them.Your Brother in Christ,Jim
He must reign 1 cor 15:25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. In writing a chapter addressed to the corinthians in regards to the resurrection of the saints, whereby the last enemy, physical death will be destroyed, paul makes this point..That, the Lord Jesus christ must reign, putting all enemies under His feet..His reigning here is in the greek, a present tense verb infinitive, denoting He is presently reigning..The word means:basileuō and means:to be king, to exercise kingly power, to reignmetaph. to exercise the highest influence, to controlThis informs us, that presently, The King of Kings, and Lord of Lords is upon His throne of Glory excersising his Kingly power, the Highest Influence and control over all creatures..matt 28:18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Not only has it been given to Him, but he is excersising it..all the time..The Lord Jesus christ is reigning right now and putting all enemies under His feet, subduing them with His power as phil 3 21 indicates:Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.The word subdue is the greek word:hypotassō which means:to arrange under, to subordinate2) to subject, put in subjection3) to subject one's self, obey4) to submit to one's control5) to yield to one's admonition or advice6) to obey, be subjectThe Lord by His Sovereign Kingly power, subdues, causes to be subject, causes to be obedient, causes to yield to His control, all things. That includes, men or devils, or elements..all things is quite expansive..look at 1 pet 3:22Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.Everything and everyone has been made subject to Him..The Devil and His Angels, the blessed Good Angels, all men, elect and none elect have beenmade subject to Him and His power..The phrase, being made subject unto Him , in the greek is aorist passive voice, meaning everything and one has been put under His power and authority..The text says he is reigning putting all His enemies under His feet..One way The Lord Jesus christ puts His enemies under His feet, is by the conversion of His elect, those he died for..Yes, the elect, by nature, we are enemies to christ, by wicked works, and at enmity with him in our unregenerated minds..i.e:eph 2:2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. col 1:21And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciledrom 8:Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.yes, all the elect by nature, are Gods enemies, by having a unrenewed mind, by nature..So one of the proofs of Jesus christ reigning upon his Throne of Glory lk 24:Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?One of the proofs is the conversion of His elect enemies..you see, those who jesus christ died for, the power of darkness, has been destroyed by him on their behalf..and when a soul isconverted unto Him, its a testimony to His power, and him subuing his enemie under His feet..Do you recall the story of saul on the road to damascus ? acts 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. what we have here in this sacred story, is the illustration, of the resurrected Jesus christ, upon His Throne of Glory, subduing an enemie under his feet..causing him to become subject to Him, obedient to him, remember the definition earlier of the words reign and subdue..you see how saul was turned from being a staunch enemie, unto humble submission ? That was the power of christ, reigning upon His throne..And Jesus was not finshed , there were others, that he was going to turn them from the power of satan unto God..read what paul said in acts 26:18To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me. 19Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision: it was the Lord Jesus christ reigning upon His Throne of Glory that 3000 souls repented of their sin that day of pentecost..remeber peter said that Jesus christ poured out the holy Ghost that day upon His church, indicating he was ruling and reigning upon His throne acts 2:33Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. it was the Lord jesus christ converting and adding to His church, that He was building acts 2:47Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.Notice, the Lord added, not freewill, not human decision, not peter even, but the Lord added to the church, He did it as He was reigning upon His throne of glory, subduing His elect enemies under His feet, causing them to be obedient to him..The word added in acts 2 47..it is the greek word:prostithēmi and it means:to put to2) to adda) i.e. to join to, gather with any company, the number of one's followers or companions1) he was gathered to his fathers i.e. diedThe word is also translated increase as in lk 17 5It was the Lord Jesus christ, who added to his followers, he gathered them to himself..he joined them to himself, he increased his followers and made other believers..remember in jn 11 where it was prophesied that he would gather all the children of God scattered abroad ? Jn 11:52And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. paul writes to the ephisians that it was to the glory of christ, he owed His trusting of Jesus christ eph 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. In other words, its to the praise of the reigning Jesus christ, he who subdues His spiritual enemies under his feet, it was to his power, that paul owed his trusting in jesus christ..his obdience to jesus christ..and not only he, but so the same to all the election of grace..its a shame before God, that so called preachers of the gospel and suposedly believers in Jesus christ, are going about preaching the lies, that Jesus christ died for all people, and yet some of them will go to hell for their sins, or that people belonging to Jesus in conversion, can yet somehow loose their salvation..all these blasphmies betray of whom they really represent, and its not Jesus christ..they preach and teach a Jesus christ who is not reigning with all power in heaven and earth in His hand, and who is not subduing all his enemies under his feet, they serve and teach a false christ, who is either idley sitting around in heaven, hoping that peole will accept him, or that he is doing the best he can to influnce them into subjection..This is a false jesus christ they teach and preach and not the Jesus christ who now reigns Sovereignly on His throne, subduing his enemies under His feet, to the Glory of God..May God have mercy on His chosen, for christ sake..
Dear SavedbyGrace57,Thanks for your Rhemas. My feeling is that what they should believe is that Jesus died for those who would be saved and possibly for those who had been covered by insufficient sacrifices before His crucifixion. He was the sin-free (blemish-free) Lamb!!Nope. I don't think He died for those who would never accept Him as Lord and Savior. I'm also reminded of something discussed somewhere else on this site recently:According to 1st Corinthians 14:3, prophecy is edification, EXHORTATION, and comfort. So, maybe...thanks for your prophecies too??!!
QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 3 2009, 05:52 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70154
Dear SavedbyGrace57,Thanks for your Rhemas. My feeling is that what they should believe is that Jesus died for those who would be saved and possibly for those who had been covered by insufficient sacrifices before His crucifixion. He was the sin-free (blemish-free) Lamb!!Nope. I don't think He died for those who would never accept Him as Lord and Savior. I'm also reminded of something discussed somewhere else on this site recently:According to 1st Corinthians 14:3, prophecy is edification, EXHORTATION, and comfort. So, maybe...thanks for your prophecies too??!!
I look forward to reading more of them.Your Brother in Christ,Jim
Jim, Christ did die for the whole world. Even those who would not choose Him to be saved. (John 4:42, I John 4:14, II Peter 3:9) The problem is, God can't force anybody to be saved. (John 14:15) It's all a person free will. The only one Christ didn't die for is the fallen arch angel Lucifer, whose name is also Satan. (John 17:12), but Christ did die for Satan's seedline, cause they are also humans. (John 3:16-18)
Dear SavedbyGrace57,Thanks for your Rhemas. My feeling is that what they should believe is that Jesus died for those who would be saved and possibly for those who had been covered by insufficient sacrifices before His crucifixion. He was the sin-free (blemish-free) Lamb!!Nope. I don't think He died for those who would never accept Him as Lord and Savior. I'm also reminded of something discussed somewhere else on this site recently:According to 1st Corinthians 14:3, prophecy is edification, EXHORTATION, and comfort. So, maybe...thanks for your prophecies too??!!
Jim, Christ did die for the whole world. Even those who would not choose Him to be saved. (John 4:42, I John 4:14, II Peter 3:9) The problem is, God can't force anybody to be saved. (John 14:15) It's all a person free will. The only one Christ didn't die for is the fallen arch angel Lucifer, whose name is also Satan. (John 17:12), but Christ did die for Satan's seedline, cause they are also humans. (John 3:16-18)
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Jim, Christ did die for the whole world
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..QUOTE
but Christ did die for Satan's seedline
This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Jim, Christ did die for the whole world
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..QUOTE
but Christ did die for Satan's seedline
This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 3 2009, 11:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70189
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70156
Jim, Christ did die for the whole world. ...
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70156
... but Christ did die for Satan's seedline
This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance....Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.I Timothy 4:10 - For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe....John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70156
Jim, Christ did die for the whole world. ...
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 3 2009, 06:03 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70156
... but Christ did die for Satan's seedline
This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance....Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.I Timothy 4:10 - For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe....John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 4 2009, 12:35 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70190
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23:32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance....Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.I Timothy 4:10 - For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe....John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
None of these references support the false claim that Jesus christ died for the seed of the serpent..Jesus words makes that clear, wether you believe them or not..matt 23:[sup]32[/sup]Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [sup]33[/sup]Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Thats not true, He didnt die for those who are of the seed of the serpent..God 3:15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.And you flat out deny the saving benefits of Jesus christ death, if you believe He died for some who are lost..This is a lie from hell and cannot be proven by scripture..Jesus speaking to that seedline says this matt 23:32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? II Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance....Matthew 9:13 - But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Mark 2:17 - When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance....John 4:42 - And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.I John 4:14 - And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.I Timothy 4:10 - For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe....John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 14:15 - If ye love me, keep my commandments.
None of these references support the false claim that Jesus christ died for the seed of the serpent..Jesus words makes that clear, wether you believe them or not..matt 23:[sup]32[/sup]Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. [sup]33[/sup]Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
Forgive me if I started dissension.Here are two Verses from Ephesians that may help. Hopefully this won't lead into a big predestination argument. [sup]Ephesians 1:4[/sup]According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [sup]Ephesians 1:5[/sup]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?Bless Y'all. We're almost ALL Christians here. Haven't seen a single post yet that caused me to question that (well, one non-Christian post Jordan quickly and tactfully dealt with).SavedbyGrace57 - PLEASE don't get discouraged and stop posting
Sigh......Jim
QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 6 2009, 06:15 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70324
Forgive me if I started dissension.Here are two Verses from Ephesians that may help. Hopefully this won't lead into a big predestination argument. [sup]Ephesians 1:4[/sup]According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [sup]Ephesians 1:5[/sup]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?Bless Y'all. We're almost ALL Christians here. Haven't seen a single post yet that caused me to question that (well, one non-Christian post Jordan quickly and tactfully dealt with).SavedbyGrace57 - PLEASE don't get discouraged and stop posting
Sigh......Jim
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, the Saviour of the world, for savedbygrace57 to say that Christ did not die for all men, is to deny others scriptures, and God's powers. And this is one doctrine I hate with a passion... Even Satan's seedline is also human. Besides I know savedbygrace57 games well enough and I'm not going to fall for it...Christ is not going to save us if we don't know Him, and not take our cross for Him... He hates lip services. I care about you guys so much... because I really wanted you guys to be free and saved. The Truth set us free. (John 8:32,36) But Christ says we have free will to decide to choose Him or Satan. (John 14:15) Even Satan's seedline can be save as well.
Forgive me if I started dissension.Here are two Verses from Ephesians that may help. Hopefully this won't lead into a big predestination argument. [sup]Ephesians 1:4[/sup]According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [sup]Ephesians 1:5[/sup]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?Bless Y'all. We're almost ALL Christians here. Haven't seen a single post yet that caused me to question that (well, one non-Christian post Jordan quickly and tactfully dealt with).SavedbyGrace57 - PLEASE don't get discouraged and stop posting
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, the Saviour of the world, for savedbygrace57 to say that Christ did not die for all men, is to deny others scriptures, and God's powers. And this is one doctrine I hate with a passion... Even Satan's seedline is also human. Besides I know savedbygrace57 games well enough and I'm not going to fall for it...Christ is not going to save us if we don't know Him, and not take our cross for Him... He hates lip services. I care about you guys so much... because I really wanted you guys to be free and saved. The Truth set us free. (John 8:32,36) But Christ says we have free will to decide to choose Him or Satan. (John 14:15) Even Satan's seedline can be save as well.
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 08:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70325
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, the Saviour of the world, for savedbygrace57 to say that Christ did not die for all men, is to deny others scriptures, and God's powers. And this is one doctrine I hate with a passion... Even Satan's seedline is also human. Besides I know savedbygrace57 games well enough and I'm not going to fall for it...Christ is not going to save us if we don't know Him, and not take our cross for Him... He hates lip services. I care about you guys so much... because I really wanted you guys to be free and saved. The Truth set us free. (John 8:32,36) But Christ says we have free will to decide to choose Him or Satan. (John 14:15) Even Satan's seedline can be save as well.
Well I'm still not getting across what - and ALL - I'm saying. I gave two (of many) Scriptures also that support what I'm saying. I also asked a question -"Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?"intended to clarify my point.Sorry if I hit a sore spot. NO ONE should be written off or denied the Gospel etc. because somebody thinks they're the "seedline of satan" or not predestined etc. Only God knows in His omniscience who will be saved and covered by the shed blood of our Savior, and who will not.My comments were ONLY that Jesus didn't die for those who will not ultimately be saved. They are the ones who God knew, as He knows all, would never accept Christ as their Savior. Jesus died for OUR sins and not theirs.Only those who are saved HAVE to have their sins covered by His shed blood. Sins of others aren't covered by His blood, and therefore I believe He didn't die for them.That's ALL.
Jim
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, the Saviour of the world, for savedbygrace57 to say that Christ did not die for all men, is to deny others scriptures, and God's powers. And this is one doctrine I hate with a passion... Even Satan's seedline is also human. Besides I know savedbygrace57 games well enough and I'm not going to fall for it...Christ is not going to save us if we don't know Him, and not take our cross for Him... He hates lip services. I care about you guys so much... because I really wanted you guys to be free and saved. The Truth set us free. (John 8:32,36) But Christ says we have free will to decide to choose Him or Satan. (John 14:15) Even Satan's seedline can be save as well.
Well I'm still not getting across what - and ALL - I'm saying. I gave two (of many) Scriptures also that support what I'm saying. I also asked a question -"Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?"intended to clarify my point.Sorry if I hit a sore spot. NO ONE should be written off or denied the Gospel etc. because somebody thinks they're the "seedline of satan" or not predestined etc. Only God knows in His omniscience who will be saved and covered by the shed blood of our Savior, and who will not.My comments were ONLY that Jesus didn't die for those who will not ultimately be saved. They are the ones who God knew, as He knows all, would never accept Christ as their Savior. Jesus died for OUR sins and not theirs.Only those who are saved HAVE to have their sins covered by His shed blood. Sins of others aren't covered by His blood, and therefore I believe He didn't die for them.That's ALL.
QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 6 2009, 08:56 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70327
Well I'm still not getting across what - and ALL - I'm saying. I gave two (of many) Scriptures also that support what I'm saying. I also asked a question -"Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?"intended to clarify my point.Sorry if I hit a sore spot. NO ONE should be written off or denied the Gospel etc. because somebody thinks they're the "seedline of satan" or not predestined etc. Only God knows in His omniscience who will be saved and covered by the shed blood of our Savior, and who will not.My comments were ONLY that Jesus didn't die for those who will not ultimately be saved. They are the ones who God knew, as He knows all, would never accept Christ as their Savior. Jesus died for OUR sins and not theirs.Only those who are saved HAVE to have their sins covered by His shed blood. Sins of others aren't covered by His blood, and therefore I believe He didn't die for them.That's ALL.
Jim
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim, to make our choices to choose Him or Satan... Not aiming at you but rather general. Because God knows, who in the world (as humans) can say that Satan's seedline can't be saved... like savedbygrace57 said many times. That's like saying "I am the Judge" which I find that very much a hypocrite.Because God knows, I'll just leave it to Him and Him only.
As far I am in concerned according to scriptures, Salvation is opened to all men.
Hence the reason I love to quote John 3:16 with John 14:15.
(And I can prove that with other scriptures as well)
Well I'm still not getting across what - and ALL - I'm saying. I gave two (of many) Scriptures also that support what I'm saying. I also asked a question -"Are these those He died for knowing others didn't need His shed blood to cover their sins because they didn't "make the cut" ?"intended to clarify my point.Sorry if I hit a sore spot. NO ONE should be written off or denied the Gospel etc. because somebody thinks they're the "seedline of satan" or not predestined etc. Only God knows in His omniscience who will be saved and covered by the shed blood of our Savior, and who will not.My comments were ONLY that Jesus didn't die for those who will not ultimately be saved. They are the ones who God knew, as He knows all, would never accept Christ as their Savior. Jesus died for OUR sins and not theirs.Only those who are saved HAVE to have their sins covered by His shed blood. Sins of others aren't covered by His blood, and therefore I believe He didn't die for them.That's ALL.
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim, to make our choices to choose Him or Satan... Not aiming at you but rather general. Because God knows, who in the world (as humans) can say that Satan's seedline can't be saved... like savedbygrace57 said many times. That's like saying "I am the Judge" which I find that very much a hypocrite.Because God knows, I'll just leave it to Him and Him only.
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As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men,
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? QUOTE
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim
Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men,
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? QUOTE
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim
Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?
QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 7 2009, 12:30 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70330
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 06:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70325
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, ...
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 09:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70328
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim ...
Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?You are so messed up, I don't even know where to begin. First, let me ask you a question or two.1. You rather prefer to be a robot and follow every order and might contain virus as well? Nice, that's not called love.2. Who appointed you as "The Judge"? You or God?
You obviously love to pick which scriptures to choose and ignore the rest that clearly contradicts your beliefs. Anybody who follows men whether they call themselves Christians, Jews, etc is no one I will listen to. No wonder I counter so many foolish people in these tough times.
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 06:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70325
As I said in my previous post with scriptures, Christ is the Saviour of all men, ...
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 09:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70328
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim ...
Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?You are so messed up, I don't even know where to begin. First, let me ask you a question or two.1. You rather prefer to be a robot and follow every order and might contain virus as well? Nice, that's not called love.2. Who appointed you as "The Judge"? You or God?
QUOTE (Jordan @ Mar 6 2009, 11:13 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70328
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim, to make our choices to choose Him or Satan... Not aiming at you but rather general. Because God knows, who in the world (as humans) can say that Satan's seedline can't be saved... like savedbygrace57 said many times. That's like saying "I am the Judge" which I find that very much a hypocrite.Because God knows, I'll just leave it to Him and Him only.
As far I am in concerned according to scriptures, Salvation is opened to all men.
Hence the reason I love to quote John 3:16 with John 14:15.
(And I can prove that with other scriptures as well)
John 3:16Isn't that the most BEAUTIFUL Verse
?I've gotta paste it:"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
Sigh..........."Who is man that Thou art mindful of him?"We're often limited by our earthly/earthbound perspective. Actually, in the grand scheme God created - size-wise - we're NOTHING. If the sun were the size of a basketball, the earth would be the size of a pea, and we like mere viruses or molecules.The nearest star would be 5000 miles away. "Who is man that Thou art mindful of him?"God is SOOOOO Holy. SOOOOOO awesome..........Our entire universe is but a fishtank He created. We're SOOO small and insignificant in it. And that's just this universe - which is infinite BTW.According to science, which I love when it is used to show His majesty and grandeur - not to write Him off, there are other dimensions outside our universe. Possibly where the other Heaven (not our starry heavens) is and where God and the Angels - also the fallen ones - are.It's probably infinite too. Can we even begin to grasp just how insignificant we truly are relative to that?BUT - He created us in His image and for Himself, so we ARE special though.Bless you all. Jim P.S. Again, I'm no flower child that isn't capable of righteous anger and rebukes/admonishment when I see things addressed in the letters to the churches in the New Testament. There's nothing new under the sun, and extra stuff not specifically covered there doesn't raise my hackles.
Because God knows, that's why we have Free Will Jim, to make our choices to choose Him or Satan... Not aiming at you but rather general. Because God knows, who in the world (as humans) can say that Satan's seedline can't be saved... like savedbygrace57 said many times. That's like saying "I am the Judge" which I find that very much a hypocrite.Because God knows, I'll just leave it to Him and Him only.
John 3:16Isn't that the most BEAUTIFUL Verse
"QUOTE
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
doesnt say anything about freewill in this verse..QUOTE
You are so messed up
Thats you who is messed up and reject Gods truth..
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
doesnt say anything about freewill in this verse..QUOTE
You are so messed up
Thats you who is messed up and reject Gods truth..
QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 8 2009, 01:39 AM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70354
QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 7 2009, 01:22 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70339
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
...doesnt say anything about freewill in this verse...Uh, yea it does, you're just way too busy trying to prove Christ wrong. WHOSOEVER means ANYBODY.
QUOTE (shutin45 @ Mar 7 2009, 01:22 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70339
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life"
...doesnt say anything about freewill in this verse...Uh, yea it does, you're just way too busy trying to prove Christ wrong. WHOSOEVER means ANYBODY.
QUOTE (savedbygrace57 @ Mar 6 2009, 11:30 PM) index.php?act=findpost&pid=70330
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?
You are somewhat in error Satan the devil is an angel .......that only appears as a man ....He is not born of flesh but created .. and he has been already been Judged as you say his fallen Angels are also not born of flesh .... Christ is the saviour of all men born of flesh should they ask ... Even those in hell will have a time when Satan is loosed again after the milliuem to repent of there evil ways ... No man has yet been judged..... Careful here Do not confuse men with Angels
No He is not, He is not the Saviour of those in hell..and He is not the saviour of satans seed, this is clear from matt 23: 32Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers. 33Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Man doesnt have freewill, thats a lie from the devil..Jesus told some jn 8:44Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. Jesus didnt say they had a choice to do the lust of their father the devil..did he ?
You are somewhat in error Satan the devil is an angel .......that only appears as a man ....He is not born of flesh but created .. and he has been already been Judged as you say his fallen Angels are also not born of flesh .... Christ is the saviour of all men born of flesh should they ask ... Even those in hell will have a time when Satan is loosed again after the milliuem to repent of there evil ways ... No man has yet been judged..... Careful here Do not confuse men with Angels
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You are somewhat in error Satan the devil is an angel
So..QUOTE
Christ is the saviour of all men born of flesh should they ask
No He is not, he is the saviour of the elect, and not of the seed of the devil..QUOTE
Uh, yea it does, you're just way too busy trying to prove Christ wrong. WHOSOEVER means ANYBODY.
No it doesnt, the bible doesnt teach that..whosoever believeth, which is the elect..
You are somewhat in error Satan the devil is an angel
So..QUOTE
Christ is the saviour of all men born of flesh should they ask
No He is not, he is the saviour of the elect, and not of the seed of the devil..QUOTE
Uh, yea it does, you're just way too busy trying to prove Christ wrong. WHOSOEVER means ANYBODY.
No it doesnt, the bible doesnt teach that..whosoever believeth, which is the elect..
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