Heaven on Earth?

[Pelaides]

In revelations21:10 we are introduced to Gods kingdom on earth."And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain,and showed me that great city,the holy Jerusalem,decending out of heaven from God'. Is this supposed to happen before or after the destruction of the world?Or did already happen?

The same Holy City is also prophesised in Ezekiel48:35"It was round about 18000 measures:and the name of the city from that day shall be ,the Lord is there".

 

[Trekson]

Hi Pelaides, The NJ of Rev. 21:10 and the city of Ez. 48:35 are two different cities. The 18,000 measures are roughly 6 miles. The twelve thousand furlongs of Rev. 21:16 comes to roughly 1377 miles. As you can see there is a huge difference. The city of Ez. is the earthly millennial Jerusalem. The heavenly NJ will arrive, imo, after the millennium.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

I expect it will be "after" .

I expect it will be part of the new heaven and new earth talked about elsewhere in the bible.

There are hints that "The New Jerusalem" already exists (being built) (being populated) in heaven.

Such as Hebrews 12:22

[sup]22 [/sup]But you have come to Mount Zion, .. to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, [sup]23 [/sup]to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

The sentence ....... "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" .... sounds like departed Christians and maybe OT Saints who are there already

 

[MTPockets]

I expect it will be "after" .

I expect it will be part of the new heaven and new earth talked about elsewhere in the bible.

There are hints that "The New Jerusalem" already exists (being built) (being populated) in heaven.

Such as Hebrews 12:22

[sup]22 [/sup]But you have come to Mount Zion, .. to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, [sup]23 [/sup]to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

The sentence ....... "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" .... sounds like departed Christians and maybe OT Saints who are there already

Hi! 'Arnie Manitoba'
You might remember me as the 'Edgar Cayce' from an earlier Thread. :)
Well, first thing that should be said is that yer VERY perceptive concerning Scripture. Especially with your suspicion that "there are hints that "The New Jerusalem" already exists (being built) (being populated) in heaven"; and also with your remark saying, "The sentence ....... "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" .... sounds like departed Christians and maybe OT Saints who are there already" .
Yes, it's very true that the New Jerusalem is already in existence and being populated/occupied.
It's also true that the Old Testament faithful are now dwelling an area of that heavenly city.
I could perhaps explain it all in more detail; but the last time I attempted to do that, you got about three lines into my reply and decided that I was Edgar. So, I'm not too eager to give you the same opportunity again. :)

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

Hi! 'Arnie Manitoba'
You might remember me as the 'Edgar Cayce' from an earlier Thread. :)
Well, first thing that should be said is that yer VERY perceptive concerning Scripture. Especially with your suspicion that "there are hints that "The New Jerusalem" already exists (being built) (being populated) in heaven"; and also with your remark saying, "The sentence ....... "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" .... sounds like departed Christians and maybe OT Saints who are there already" .
Yes, it's very true that the New Jerusalem is already in existence and being populated/occupied.
It's also true that the Old Testament faithful are now dwelling an area of that heavenly city.
I could perhaps explain it all in more detail; but the last time I attempted to do that, you got about three lines into my reply and decided that I was Edgar. So, I'm not too eager to give you the same opportunity again. :)

Why are you dragging this over to this thread ?
I never called you Edgar Cayce.
I said your slant on the book of Revelation was bazaar in my opinion.
I said the only worse rendition of revelation I have ever encountered was by Edgar Cayce.
Furthermore , I do not need any instruction from you . Thank you.
Besides , my post about Jerusalem was to pelaides , not you.
Can we stay on topic? Read the opening post. Do you have anything to contribute to it?
Best wishes.

 

[Pelaides]

Hi Pelaides, The NJ of Rev. 21:10 and the city of Ez. 48:35 are two different cities. The 18,000 measures are roughly 6 miles. The twelve thousand furlongs of Rev. 21:16 comes to roughly 1377 miles. As you can see there is a huge difference. The city of Ez. is the earthly millennial Jerusalem. The heavenly NJ will arrive, imo, after the millennium.

It seems you are correct,The new city will arrive after the destruction of the earth.Revelations21:1.

I expect it will be "after" .

I expect it will be part of the new heaven and new earth talked about elsewhere in the bible.

There are hints that "The New Jerusalem" already exists (being built) (being populated) in heaven.

Such as Hebrews 12:22

[sup]22 [/sup]But you have come to Mount Zion, .. to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, [sup]23 [/sup]to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect,

The sentence ....... "the spirits of the righteous made perfect" .... sounds like departed Christians and maybe OT Saints who are there already

I have heard people say that the new Jerusalem is a square shaped spacecraft of somekind,anythings possible.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

I have heard people say that the new Jerusalem is a square shaped spacecraft of somekind,anythings possible.

Cant argue with that .... after all it is "something" coming down from Heaven (space) and it's dimensions are indeed square.

It would also be fair to say God and the angels and that whole bunch are Extra Terrestrials .... but not the Hollywood kind .... :)

 

[veteran]

God is not going to literally destroy this earth into some asteroid belt. Look to the original manuscript definitions in Isaiah; it's about His cleansing... the SURFACE of this earth. That's what He did with Noah's flood, and the flood at Satan's rebellion. The earth is forever.

 

[epouraniois]

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

2Pe 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.(..)
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

 

[Rocky Wiley]

To the Jews heaven and earth was the covenant between God and man. It also referred to the temple on Mount Moriah which was the place Jacob had his vision and Abraham took Isaac to sacrifice.

In Matthew 24 the disciples pointed out to Jesus the beautiful temple. Jesus responded that the temple would be destroyed. The disciples then asked "when shall these things be, the sign of thy coming and the end of the world", all of those questions from the fact the temple would be destroyed. They understood that the destruction would bring on the end of the age they were living in and judgement upon the Jewish people.

Jesus went on to explain the many things that they would see happen before the destruction came. Many people want to make this pretain to another generation, but Jesus kept saying 'when ye see these things, know the day is nigh'. Then Jesus says "heaven and earth shall pass away", he is not changing the subject as I explained earlier, he is simply saying in a different way that the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed.

So now when we go to the book of Revelation and it says "I say a new heaven and earth for the old had passed away" It is saying he saw a new covenant and temple for the old covenant and temple had passed away. The temple in Jerusalum was totally distroyed in 70 AD, still in the disciples generation. The new covenant is with the Christians and the temple is within us 1Cor 3:16.

By the way, a Muslim Mosque now sits on the temple mount and very little chance the Jewish temple will ever be rebuilt. God would never accept any other sacrifice anyway. Jesus made the sacrifice that was once and for all.

 

[veteran]

The orthodox Jews still refuse Christ Jesus as The Saviour. So they will build their stone temple in the end for the false king that's coming to sit in it, and try to get you... to bow to that false one who they will think is Messiah. That working is irrelevant to Christ's Church as the spiritual temple, since they are not part of it.

 

[Pelaides]

Revelations21:22-24 "And I saw no temple therein:for the lord God almighty and the lamb are the temple of it.And the city had no need of of the sun .neither of the moon ,to shine in it :for the glory of God did lighten it .and the lamb is the light thereof.And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it :and the kings of the earht do bring their glory and honour to it.

God and Jesus have come to earth to live with man,