Hebrews 10:26-31
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Ferris Bueller
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"You prove that you are a genuine child of God holding firmly to the word of life in faith by how you act."
There are surely things we're going to have legitimate differences about, but this just isn't one of those. It plainly tells us how we know a child of God from a child of the devil. I know you won't do it, but you need to go line by line in the above passage and explain why John is wrong and you are right.
Any babe in Christ can see for himself that what you teach is a straight up wrong.....dead wrong.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. 1 John 3:7-10
There are surely things we're going to have legitimate differences about, but this just isn't one of those. It plainly tells us how we know a child of God from a child of the devil. I know you won't do it, but you need to go line by line in the above passage and explain why John is wrong and you are right.
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Ferris Bueller
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Here's your reality check: Only born again people have fruit. That's the one thing the unbeliever can not fake......the changed life of Christ. Their greed, and their lust, and their envies and jealousies will always shine through despite their claim to righteousness. They're hypocrites. Hypocrites are really quite easy to spot. You really need to read the Bible.
If you see fruit you are seeing a born again person, unless your definition of fruit is not the same as the Bible's (which it appears it is not). Only those who are abiding in Christ and the Father can bear the fruit of the Spirit. That's why born again people are known by their fruit. Not their service, not their lip service, not their 'grace' ministries. Their fruit. Their character.
Hypocrites don't bear fruit. You're literally saying Jesus is lying and that we should not listen to what he says.....
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. Matthew 7:15, Matthew 7:20
You're making a very serious error of scripture. Read it—the false prophet's sheep's clothing is not their fruit. Angels of light look righteous on the outside. That's their sheep's clothing. But they have no fruit. They can play church very well. They can even preach stunning sermons about grace. But they are identified as fake by their lack of fruit. Jesus explained this when he bawled out the Pharisees......
25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Matthew 23:25, Matthew 23:28
28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
Matthew 23:25, Matthew 23:28
Don't you know the definition of 'hypocrisy'? Hypocrisy is not secret. It's on display for all to see. Character is who you are. You can't hide it. Not behind ministries, not behind words, not behind religious activities. Everyone who knows you can see your character. That's how you know an 'angel of light' from a real born again prophet and teacher and student of righteousness. They say one thing, but do another. That's the false teacher and the false believer. They do not LIVE the grace that they proclaim with their mouths and in their 'grace' ministries.
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Ferris Bueller
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People who knew Ravi Zacharias knew he was a hypocrite by the way he acted.
RZIM Confirms Ravi Zacharias’s Sexual Misconduct
Most of us did not know him personally, so we only saw his sheep's clothing. But those who knew him saw his character (and a lot more than that, apparently, lol). Those who saw his character knew he was a fake, a hypocrite. He provided the very evidence that Jesus said shows who is false and who is not. The greatness of his teachings and his understanding (I never liked the guy) had no bearing on the fact that he was a fake, a phony, a hypocrite. Knowledge has a way of doing that to people. We use it to confirm who's for real and who is not, when it should not be used that way at all. Jesus did not say knowledge shows who's for real and who's not. He said character does.
RZIM Confirms Ravi Zacharias’s Sexual Misconduct
Most of us did not know him personally, so we only saw his sheep's clothing. But those who knew him saw his character (and a lot more than that, apparently, lol). Those who saw his character knew he was a fake, a hypocrite. He provided the very evidence that Jesus said shows who is false and who is not. The greatness of his teachings and his understanding (I never liked the guy) had no bearing on the fact that he was a fake, a phony, a hypocrite. Knowledge has a way of doing that to people. We use it to confirm who's for real and who is not, when it should not be used that way at all. Jesus did not say knowledge shows who's for real and who's not. He said character does.
I am curious, can you describe for us such attitude that tells you, with certainty, that one did a good deed out of love?
So in your thinking, one gets to know the heart of a person by looking at his attitude? If that were the case, then the truth that only God knows the heart of man is somewhat no longer true anymore.
I maintain to believe the truth that we can only tell for certain and judge correctly, the work done, if it is a good deed or not, but not the heart.
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Lol....we ALL know the answer to that one, don’t we ? Ya gotta have that “ Lucky Repentance” ....that Perverted Gospel,That he and Erroneous Bueller share....
Wow.....simply wow. “By the Keeping of the Commandments—- NO Flesh shall be Justified”....Are you really “ THAT” far gone ? ......This Goes WAY beyond your False, Perverted Gospel Of “ Lucky Repentance”......My Lord, you are in more Trouble than I ever dreamed....
I used to be a fornicating, drunken atheist....now I am none of these....”YOU” tell “ME” if I have a changed life.....
The most extreme.....the most Advanced “SOLID MEAT ” is this.....RESTING in the Finished Work Of The Cross ...being a “ Free Man in Christ”....Having the GUTS to live out a life where you do what you want , knowing that God “HAS” changed and is “ CONTINUING” to change those “ wants” .. SOLID MEAT is maturing to the point that you know that God knows how to “ blow the whistle” on you when you get out of line.....SOLID MEAT is manifested by those that are not near as much “ SIN” Conscious as they are” SON” Conscious.....
Luther knew what “ SOLId MEAT” was all about—— it’s Trusting the Grace Of God ( “ Grace” being the thing that actually Saves , That thing that your Crowd NEVER talks about ....isn't that strange? ) Luther maintained that though he “ Murder and rape a thousand times a Day “ —— Graces was there to Cover it! THAT is FAITH......THAT is MEAT.....( Don't get your panties in a knot, dim bulbs— Luther was using “ Hyperbole” here.....look it up! )
You and your Infantile, milk-guzzling buddies are stuck in the False, Perverted “Kiddy Land” Of “ Lucky Repentance”—- Grace Deniers ALL ! You are EONS away from any partaking of Meat.......
...Your “ Dirty Diapers “ are on display in these Forums every day......waaaahhhhhh!!!! Lol.....
Usually, if it is done with joy, peace, patience, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance, it is done in the love that is shed abroad in the heart through the Holy Ghost.
Bingo. Except it was never true.
(will post a link shortly of somewhere I have preached grace in the recent past)...
Do You Always Know When You Sin?
That is...the preaching of grace as a license for immorality (see Jude 1:3-4 (NIV)).
2Pe 2:1, But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2Pe 2:2, And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child 1 John 3:10[/QUOTE]
True .If you have RESTED in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, Plus Nothing, you are Saved. Period.Thats Enough “ Right Doing” for Anybody ....Many in here have not done it ....they don’t even understand it ...they think that they “ do right” by being “ Good little boys and Girls”..... Nothing Wrong with that , in and of itself , but Obedience to Laws or the determination to “ do right” won’t save anybody ....You wanna di “ what is ULTIMATELY RIGHT in God’s Eye? The Bible talks about the “ Obedience Of The Gospel”——-Do what is “ right” in THAT regard, and everything else will take care of itself....
All of that may be too “ meaty” for you milk drinkers..... sorry about that.....it’s time to grow up....Meat Eaters like myself and a few others in here are supposed to “ put up with Weak Brothers”......NOWHERE does the Bible say that we are to let them Rule the Church....Enjoy your “ sippy-cups” Of milk as the rest of us go on to Maturity in the Faith.....the Maturity That says “ Nothing But The Blood” .....I thank my God that I do not find myself arguing against “ THAT” ......Talk about bring on “ the Wrong Side Of Something !”......
True .If you have RESTED in Paul’s Gospel Of Grace, Plus Nothing, you are Saved. Period.Thats Enough “ Right Doing” for Anybody ....Many in here have not done it ....they don’t even understand it ...they think that they “ do right” by being “ Good little boys and Girls”..... Nothing Wrong with that , in and of itself , but Obedience to Laws or the determination to “ do right” won’t save anybody ....You wanna di “ what is ULTIMATELY RIGHT in God’s Eye? The Bible talks about the “ Obedience Of The Gospel”——-Do what is “ right” in THAT regard, and everything else will take care of itself....
All of that may be too “ meaty” for you milk drinkers..... sorry about that.....it’s time to grow up....Meat Eaters like myself and a few others in here are supposed to “ put up with Weak Brothers”......NOWHERE does the Bible say that we are to let them Rule the Church....Enjoy your “ sippy-cups” Of milk as the rest of us go on to Maturity in the Faith.....the Maturity That says “ Nothing But The Blood” .....I thank my God that I do not find myself arguing against “ THAT” ......Talk about bring on “ the Wrong Side Of Something !”......
God bless ya, justbyfaithplusluckyrepentance , ya just don’t get it , do ya? Did you get a Dictionary and look up “ hyperbole” as I suggested? Luther is EXAGGERATING! Exaggerating to make a POiNT ! Anything that requires Deeper Thinking than ....” Duh, ya gotta repent from all your sins” just goes right by you, doesn’t it..l....truly amazing....truly sad....
What a lovely excuse! I wonder if it will hold up for Luther on his day of judgment...
I think that what @Ferris Bueller is saying is that if anyone is born again, the love of the Lord is shed abroad in his heart through the Holy Ghost. And Jesus said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments".
So then, keeping the commandments is the result of being born again.
It does not justify you except in that it shows forth that you have the love of the Lord in your heart and therefore it shows forth that you are righteous (as in James chapter 2).
But of course in Romans 4 we find that justification is by faith apart from works. And that is talking about regeneration and renewing in the Holy Ghost that takes place when a man is born again. You cannot obtain that justification by, say, giving $5 to the poor, or even $5,000,000. That comes by faith alone.
But once you have been born again, the love of God is shed abroad in your heart (Romans 5:5); and that love is not impractical (1 John 3:17-18). It is also the fulfilling of the righteousness of the law within you (Romans 13:8-10, Galatians 5:14, 1 John 5:3, 2 John 1:6, Romans 8:4).
So, it should be clear that in this sense, Romans 2:13 stands true as a verse that stands alone as scriptural truth as does every other verse of scripture in the Bible.
It says that the doers of the law shall be justified.
Not justified, as in, born again; but, justified, as in, being shown forth as righteous.
Except that now you preach grace as a license for immorality...and that, like dead flies, ruins the whole batch of oil (see Ecclesiastes 10:1).
Yes of course we do lol, Was Seeing if he had the guts to say it, I notice He's sneaky and Hides what he really believes and says what he wants people to hear like he has trouble been Honest, was worth a try
Pro 17:9, He that covereth a transgression seeketh love; but he that repeateth a matter separateth very friends.
1Jo 3:10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jo 3:11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jo 3:12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 3:13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
1Jo 3:14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jo 3:15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jo 2:7, Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jo 2:8, Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jo 2:9, He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jo 2:11, But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
1Jo 3:10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1Jo 3:11, For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
1Jo 3:12, Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
1Jo 3:13, Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
1Jo 3:14, We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
1Jo 3:15, Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jo 2:7, Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.
1Jo 2:8, Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth.
1Jo 2:9, He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jo 2:10, He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
1Jo 2:11, But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.
Telling the truth can be showing Love who really hates there brother, you say your message is to Christians they can go to hell, Who do you want to kill? some say truth hurts
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Ferris Bueller
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There's nothing lucky about repenting from willful unbelief. God either lets you repent or he doesn't. He decides if, and how long, the door of repentance is open to the person who sins in willful unbelief. But the struggling, but believing saint, he remains and abides in Christ despite his failure, because he is not sinning in a trampling on and abuse of God's grace. The finished but ongoing ministry of Christ in heaven remains for that person to cover the bumps and scratches of growing up into Christ in faith. It does not remain for the person who purposely sins in unbelief.
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left
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