Hey Riven, May I ask?

[Debp]

I just found this.

 

[Taken]

FYI-
Christian, means:
Christ + Suffix
Christ…Follower.

Converted Christian…
Saved Christian…
Means: Have Heartfully, Truthfully, surrendered your life, unto God, by, through, of your Testament, Word, of Belief In He…
Lord God Almighty.

Warning is:
BE Diligent, (get to know ABOUT Him.)
BE Sure, (before committing unto Him)…
Because:
A commitment IS FOREVER.
And
A false commitment IS a LIE.(dastardly consequence to Lie to God)

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:

Once SURE…
Once COMMITTED…
“His Power” will keep you Forever With Him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Seven Spirits of God…

Mention:
Rev 1:
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Rev 4:
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Rev 5:
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Seven Spirits of God -
Isa: 11:
2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

Every Converted / Saved man receives …
Gods Spirit “of Truth”…
Ie….His Knowledge/ ie… His Word.

And some of manKIND receive Others spirits, as well.

Hope this is helpful for you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

I think a worthy example of a notable man, Who received the spirit of Truth, wisdom, understanding and counsel…
Is: the Reverend Billy Graham

Reverend simply means a Preacher, who has Not his “own” Church, but that Preaches to willing listening crowds.

Billy conducted “crusades”, invited the willing to come and hear Gods Word, and hear the Wisdom God blessed him with.

Billy was eager, diligent, and a warrior for Spreading Gods Word. And personally I believe God bestowed great blessings upon him.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Matthias]

By recognizing that there's differences in translations. Or... I could flip a coin.

There’s a better and more reliable way.

 

[Matthias]

Genesis 1:26-27 NKJV "Let us" shows the plurality of God.

26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over [g]all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Please see my numerous posts and threads on the passage where I have used trinitarian scholarship to support my position. @Riven

 

[Matthias]

The Apostles’ Creed is a popular post-biblical creed. What do you think about it?

@Riven have you read the creed?

 

[Matthias]

I’ve discussed this with you before @Riven. You might recall me once saying to you that if you forget everything else that I’ve ever said to you, don’t forget this.

 

[Matthias]

“Pray before you read the Bible, while you read it, and after you read it.” -Joel Beeke

@Riven this is a good general recommendation. I’d like to modify it ever so slightly for you:

Pray before you read the Gospel of John, while you read the Gospel of John, and after you read the Gospel of John.

As we briefly discussed yesterday, you know who to pray to.

 

[shepherdsword]

“Pray before you read the Bible, while you read it, and after you read it.” -Joel Beeke

@Riven this is a good general recommendation. I’d like to modify it ever so slightly for you:

Pray before you read the Gospel of John, while you read the Gospel of John, and after you read the Gospel of John.

As we briefly discussed yesterday, you know who to pray to.

@Riven and be sure to consider that Jn 1 is a clear declaration of the deity of Jesus Christ and states that all things were created by him. While I know you are a new believer (congratulations) you also have a solid foundation of biblical teaching from your school days. Just stick with that.

 

[Matthias]

The deity of Jesus Christ is his Father @Riven.

 

[shepherdsword]

Thank you. I’ve addressed it so many times and in so many threads that I see no need to address it again in this thread. However, if @Riven asks me to I will.

This is a bit deceptive as you have never dealt with it. I mean you have commented on it and dodged the main point as artfully as you are now. Debates like these aren't good edification for a new believer but you have to keep pushing your error so expect some push back.

 

[shepherdsword]

I’d recommend the synoptics (Matthew, Mark and Luke) first but if you’ve decided on John, let’s set you off on the right foot.

“1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God.

2 This same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.

4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in the wilderness, and the darkness comprehendeth it not.”

(John 1:1-5, Geneva Bible)

http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible/New_Testament/John.pdf

You should meditate on that. Compare it with other translations; don’t rush through it or past it.

In Jn 1"3 the context requires that "αὐτοῦ" be translated as "him". Not "it" as if the creator is some impersonal force.

 

[Matthias]

This is a bit deceptive as you have never dealt with it.

I’ve dealt with it hundreds of times. Anyone who cares to can search my posts and see for themselves.

I mean you have commented on it and dodged the main point as artfully as you are now.

I haven’t dodged anything, artfully or otherwise.

Debates like these aren't good edification for a new believer …

I don’t engage in debates. Among other things, I’m a teacher.

… but you have to keep pushing your error …

I’m discussing my primitive Christian faith with anyone who will listen.

… so expect some push back.

I appreciate your attention.

 

[Matthias]

In Jn 1"3 the context requires that "αὐτοῦ" be translated as "him". Not "it" ….

If the context requires it then the trinitarian translators of the Geneva Bible (not to mention the other translations which translate the prologue as they did) would have done so.

… as if the creator is some impersonal force.

The trinitarian translators of the Geneva Bible didn’t believe the creator is some impersonal force.

 

[shepherdsword]

I’ve dealt with it hundreds of times. Anyone who cares to can search my posts and see for themselves.

I don’t engage in debates. Among other things, I’m a teacher.

I am just a student. Since you are a teacher, can you please grant me the courtesy of showing exactly where you dealt with my position on the Shema? I am not talking about the numerous other places where you comment on Trinitarian posts, just that one particular point. Thanks!

 

[Matthias]

I am just a student. Since you are a teacher, can you please grant me the courtesy of showing exactly where you dealt with my position on the Shema?

I’m on my way to Lexington and won’t be home until late this afternoon. In my absence you can search my posts for the Hebrew words echad and elohim. I’ve probably written more about those two words than anything else on this forum.

***

@Riven are you interested in that discussion? I can walk you through it quickly and easily if you are, even if you aren’t familiar with Hebrew.

I am not talking about the numerous other places where you comment on Trinitarian posts, just that one particular point. Thanks!

 

[shepherdsword]

If the context requires it then the trinitarian translators of the Geneva Bible (not to mention the other translations which translate the prologue as they did) would have done so.

How many other translations render "αὐτοῦ" as "it" ? The vast majority use "him". However, let's say the Geneva translators were right and hundreds of others were wrong. "It" still refers to the Word, which is Jesus Christ

The trinitarian translators of the Geneva Bible didn’t believe the creator is some impersonal force.

Calling the creator "it" is a depersonification that goes against the fellowship and intimacy he is trying to establish with us. It just doesn't fit.

 

[Matthias]

How many other translations render "αὐτοῦ" as "it" ?

All English translations published prior to 1611* and many after.

The vast majority use "him". However, let's say the Geneva translators were right and hundreds of others were wrong. "It" still refers to the Word, which is Jesus Christ

“It” is not referring to Jesus Christ. That would be absurd. @Riven do you understand this?

Calling the creator "it" is a depersonification that goes against the fellowship and intimacy he is trying to establish with us. It just doesn't fit.

* Wycliffe is the exception. His translation is from Latin, not from Greek.

 

[shepherdsword]

“It” is not referring to Jesus Christ. That would be absurd. @Riven do you understand this?

@Riven "It" in Jn 1:3 is actually referring to the "Word" in Jn 1:1. Since that same word became flesh in Jn 1:14 as Jesus Christ there is nothing absurd about surmising it refers to Jesus.

Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

In essence, The Word in Jn 1:1 was with God and was God. The Word in Jn 1:3 created all things. The Word in Jn 1:14 became flesh. What other candidate do you suggest for the Word becoming flesh, Matthias? It is absurd not to acknowledge that it is Jesus Christ.