Hillsong (Hellsong) Megachurch Exposed (TLC Series)

[St. SteVen]

Well I think the Lord would want us to worship him in reverence. And that Catholics do that. Mega churches not so much.

Worship in reverence? Catholics do; Megachurches don't? ???
You may be suffering from culture shock.

The early church didn't worship as current Catholics do.
Who is right?

What is your opinion of Black Baptist churches?
Reverence, or no reverence?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Music, can be created for the Spirit, or created for the Body.
Music, can be spiritual or it can be sensual.

Most of this, has to do with the beat., the rhythm.

no it is the words that cause music to be spiritual or sensual. A rock beat can glorify God as much as a hymn! The music itself is neutral, it is the words that add good or evil.

 

[Behold]

no it is the words that cause music to be spiritual or sensual.

The Beat and the rhythm, is the " body music"

The Lyrics are for the mind & spirit.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Beat and the rhythm, is the " body music"

The Lyrics are for the mind

And it is the mind that evil is birthed and to the body. Music and rhythm can set a tone either serene to the other end of chaotic, but it does not implant evil in the mind.

 

[ButterflyJones]

Depends on what you mean by "cult practices". I said I don't know that much about Hillsong. Hillsong isn't my kind of music.

Hillsong is more than about music. When one doesn't know about Hillsong and what is being discussed regarding their cult, which is elaborated in the resources provided in this thread, they shouldn't be so quick to demonstrate a self righteous attitude judging people who do know.

 

[St. SteVen]

So I'm watching the first episode just now. And a woman who was with Hillsong is talking about their music and how they composed music to manipulate the minds of their faithful.

Because many of their songs reached people emotionally she spoke about how people would listen and feel the spirit moving them. But, she asked, was that feeling and your tears as you listened to their music really God moving in the listener? Or was it the chord progression that was written so to make you cry?

I've never heard of such a thing. Chord progression can be manipulated so to make people emotional on purpose?
I know I've listened to a few Hillsong songs years before the scandal hit, and felt weepy.
I had no idea till now that music can be written to cause that very thing in the listener.

Might as well crucify Mozart and Beethoven while you're at it,
I mean, seriously? Complaining about worship music that is emotional?

 

[Behold]

And it is the mind that evil is birthed and to the body. Music and rhythm can set a tone either serene to the other end of chaotic, but it does not implant evil in the mind.

Music is added to movie scenes to enhance what is being perceived.
Most movie music has no lyrics.

The Devil uses music, just like he uses anything else. = To Corrupt Innocence.
its possible, that the Bible teaches that Satan was the Music Minister in Heaven.
He was "anointed", so, he had some Gifts, some divine enhancements.
Have you seen a photo or a painting of the "Ark of the Covenant"?
There are 2 winged Cherubs, on opposite sides...

Lucifer is of that type...That is what He was, in Heaven. An Anointed one of those.

I can tell you that in a bar, that has 300 people in it, and its dark, and they are playing loud music...... this enhances the sensual aspect of that room.

"Mood music" is both Spiritual and Carnal.

Music that is Spiritual causes you to weep and praise God.

Body music, is the opposite of that...

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Music is added to movie scenes to enhance what is being perceived.
Most movie music has no lyrics.

The Devil uses music, just like he uses anything else. = To Corrupt Innocence.
its possible, that the Bible teaches that Satan was the Music Minister in Heaven.
He was "anointed", so, he had some Gifts, some divine enhancements.
Have you seen a photo or a painting of the "Ark of the Covenant"?
There are 2 winged Cherubs, on opposite sides..

MUsic is neutral. Anyone with any spiritual sense knows that!

Music is added to the lyrics of the script of the movie! Music does move the heart. Mellow, serenity, excitement, chaotic, etc.;etc. And music can soften the heart to receive what words are being presented. So movie scripts act just like lyrics or if there are no words, to enhance the visual pictures being received by the eyegate.

Music can be used by Satan only when there is something that the ears or eyes can intake to the mind!

 

[Behold]

MUsic is neutral.

Movies have music added to scenes.

This music impacts.... enhances, .... often DRIVES the emotion of the scene.

Take any movie.....
Watch it with the music taken out of the Scenes.
Its a completely different Emotional and Physical Experience.
A different movie, in fact, because the Music is DESIGNED to create feelings in you, that are deeper and impactful, as you watch the movie.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I don't think the music argument will ever go away.

I think if the music argument overshadows the evils perpetrated and perpetuated by Hillsong, it will be just another injustice levied against their victims.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think if the music argument overshadows the evils perpetrated and perpetuated by Hillsong, it will be just another injustice levied against their victims.

I took some time to watch the documentary expose's.
Here's my take.

I didn't even know who was the leader of Hillsong before watching the videos.
I thought Darlene Zschech had been at one time, but that was a long time ago.
And I never saw any preaching videos posted for Hillsong. Which seemed odd.

I had not even heard of Brian Houston. I was only familiar with the worship music.
So, in a sense, this made no difference in my view of Hillsong over all.

Granted there were some problems as shown in the videos.
But with the problem leaders now gone from Hillsong, hopefully they can get back on track.
There were some important lessons for them to learn.

 

[Behold]

I took some time to watch the documentary expose's.
Here's my take.

I didn't even know who was the leader of Hillsong before watching the videos.
I thought Darlene Zschech had been at one time, but that was a long time ago.
And I never saw any preaching videos posted for Hillsong. Which seemed odd.

I had not even heard of Brian Houston. I was only familiar with the worship music.
So, in a sense, this made no difference in my view of Hillsong over all.

Granted there were some problems as shown in the videos.
But with the problem leaders now gone from Hillsong, hopefully they can get back on track.
There were some important lessons for them to learn.

Is the video created to cause you to have a certain perspective of "Hillsong"?

Does it have that agenda as its purpose to Exist?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Movies have music added to scenes.

This music impacts.... enhances, .... often DRIVES the emotion of the scene.

Take any movie.....
Watch it with the music taken out of the Scenes.
Its a completely different Emotional and Physical Experience.
A different movie, in fact, because the Music is DESIGNED to create feelings in you, that are deeper and impactful, as you watch the movie.

That is what I just said in a different way! Music itself contains no evil. It is what the music is attached to that causes evil to be enhanced. Music just moves the emotions- it needs words or scripts or visuals to be + or-

 

[ButterflyJones]

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This is one of those things. I feel kinda sorry for the victims, and yet there is nothing I can do about it. God didn't put me in Australia. God didn't put me at Hillsong Church. In fact if it wasn't for the internet I wouldn't know a thing about this! I guess my point is, talking about this, isn't going to help anything but maybe make us feel better cause we talked about it? In my opinion there are a lot of bad churches out there. I think the closer we get to when Jesus comes back, the worse and worse Churches are going to become. Cause they are full of people who are falling away from the faith.

When I'd happen on their broadcast I'd watch for a short time. However, nothing led me to feel drawn to their ministry.

The one adulterer pastor was not compelling at all. More like the energy of a used car salesman than a pastor.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I never got into modern worship, period. The only place I would hear it was at Church, and I don't go to Church anymore.

I can understand that. There's not a television pastor that compels me to watch. And churches here are not inviting either.

This is the disgraced Hillsong serial adulterer pastor Lentz.
This is not the image and likeness of a God anointed pastor. This is carnal advertising.

 

[dev553344]

Worship in reverence? Catholics do; Megachurches don't? ???
You may be suffering from culture shock.

The early church didn't worship as current Catholics do.
Who is right?

What is your opinion of Black Baptist churches?
Reverence, or no reverence?

Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I don't know the guy. Help me out. Which one is it? The one in the white shirt, or the one without a shirt?

The shirtless one. The conservatively dressed guy on the right is the singer, Justin Bieber.

 

[ButterflyJones]

I feel like I should be able to recognized Justin Bieber, but since I never liked him, from the time I first time I laid my eyes on him, I haven't followed him, therefor as he's gotten older I don't recognize him. lol

Lol. Nor was I ever a fan.
However, Lentz exploited his relationship with him after making news as his pastor who brought the Gospel to JB's attention.

It's not a good look when it turns out JB, who no longer claims Lentz as his pastor, has more Christian morals than his pastor.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:

Worship in reverence? Catholics do; Megachurches don't? ???
You may be suffering from culture shock.

The early church didn't worship as current Catholics do.
Who is right?

What is your opinion of Black Baptist churches?
Reverence, or no reverence?

Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear.

Do you have a narrow view of reverence?
Is it irreverent to get excited about worshiping God?

 

[dev553344]

The Lord's spirit is peace and love. And that promotes reverence, I don't fall for sham churches.