Homosexuality, My question is an easy one, how can anyone with any kind of common sense believe that two men or two women could have sex with each other when thy both have the same body parts. There for the only way I can see it is that Homosexuality is a chose nothing else. No other reason can explain it. Or do you have a better explanation I would like to hear it..
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Jimmy Engle
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Romans 1:21-24 - For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.
Romans 8:6-7 - For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so.
Ephesians 4:18-19 - being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness.
1 Thessalonians 4:3-5 - For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in lustful passion, like the Gentiles who do not know God.
Romans 1
24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error
which was due.28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting;
It is a debased mind. A symptom of the rejection of the truth of God for the lie. God gives them over to vile passions. It is a sign of their rejection of God's will.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Hello and great question. I am a Christian that lived that lifestyle for many years before I found Christ. I can tell you that the overwhelming number of homosexual people are attracted to the 'lifestyle' more than the sex.
Going out, being noticed, being with what people think is the hottest guy or girl, etc... this is what drive most people in the community. It's why pride marches are always filled with lot's of people. Being "In"... Now, don't get me wrong, there are a number of gay people that will tell you they are in it to find love, that they are born* this way, but when it's all said and done it's the life their into.
I put an astrick next to born because even though I am out of that lifestyle I am not 100% sure is a pure choice. I think your living arrangement, life and the way your brought up, your family connection, and a lot other things contribute to make you who you are. So it's not a choice in my opinion, but it's also not something you're 'born' into... After being in Christ this is something I am still trying to figure out... how I did what I did for so long.
It wasn't part of your question, but I thought I would share how to reach the community. It's what worked for me and although it's the hardest to do it's effective. One can't shout that the gay community are sinners.. letting them know where you stand and what the Bible says in one thing, but shouting is another.
Another way it to love them where they are at. Consistently let them know that you fear for their eternal life and that you care about them, but they are living a sinful life. Let them know that there is so much more then where they are in life. Slowing reach them where they are.
I was raised in a Christian home, my parents are Christians yet I still did what I did for 20+ years... in the end it was a Pastor loving me where I was, all the while letting me know he was concerned for me and why he was concerned that made me realize I wanted a different life.
Since I have lived in the trenches and now live in the green grass it's my hope to reach out and help anyone willing to listen to save one at a time.
Jamie
Jamie,
I so appreciate your side of the take. Often, what passes for spiritual discernment and judgment, is no more than knee-jerk retaliation from a religious platform. I applaud you for your transparency, and commend your willingness to walk in the humiliation which God saw fit to exercise you in. What He designates for us to undergo prior to revealing His Son in us is often regarded as merely happenstance, yet I know my Father and yours does nothing outside the counsel of His will. He was in control before we started out on our misadventures, and He continues to be so, especially for us as sons of the Most High. What we undergo in the flesh while on earth has direct connection to what our mission will be in the celestials as new creations, even now exposing the dominions and principalities that are causing ruination and destruction. Though we be powerless now to affect change, other than the Holy Spirit testimony, the day is coming when you and I, as the manifested sons of God, will rule over these forces of evil along side the Christ of God in the heavens, upholding the reconciliation of all things unto the Father of all. It will be then that the multifarious wisdom of God will be gloriously displayed for all to see, and He will be justified in all His works, especially the evils that were bourne out by us during this brief time on earth.
May the God of all consolation continue to mend your soul with the Love that heals every wound, may He fill you with the Spirit that strengthens and upholds against all adversaries and enemies, and may the love of the truth push and prod you til the Life that raises us from the dead comes for you and His Body to gather us to Himself.
fivesense
I so appreciate your side of the take. Often, what passes for spiritual discernment and judgment, is no more than knee-jerk retaliation from a religious platform. I applaud you for your transparency, and commend your willingness to walk in the humiliation which God saw fit to exercise you in. What He designates for us to undergo prior to revealing His Son in us is often regarded as merely happenstance, yet I know my Father and yours does nothing outside the counsel of His will. He was in control before we started out on our misadventures, and He continues to be so, especially for us as sons of the Most High. What we undergo in the flesh while on earth has direct connection to what our mission will be in the celestials as new creations, even now exposing the dominions and principalities that are causing ruination and destruction. Though we be powerless now to affect change, other than the Holy Spirit testimony, the day is coming when you and I, as the manifested sons of God, will rule over these forces of evil along side the Christ of God in the heavens, upholding the reconciliation of all things unto the Father of all. It will be then that the multifarious wisdom of God will be gloriously displayed for all to see, and He will be justified in all His works, especially the evils that were bourne out by us during this brief time on earth.
May the God of all consolation continue to mend your soul with the Love that heals every wound, may He fill you with the Spirit that strengthens and upholds against all adversaries and enemies, and may the love of the truth push and prod you til the Life that raises us from the dead comes for you and His Body to gather us to Himself.
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Robinson Crusoe
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Everybody used to know, before it went down the memory hole, that families with domineering mothers and passive fathers, produced far more homosexual children, than other families did.
Of course, Israel was lead astray by its' wicked kings, but in the end, it still had to take responsibility for that. In a way, it seems like Job (undeserved suffering and the old, why me, why me, why me!!!) is about that and Peter's cowardice is too (social pressure).
Beyond that, nowadays, in our "enlightened" way of thinking, homosexuality is incentivized (money is the root of all evil).
How can anyone get into porn? Drugs? Alchoholism? Sometime the littlest of urges for some can feel like a hurracaine for others.
I was brought up in a Christian acting family yet I was never taught much of what it meant to be a Christian. At 15 I had same sex feelings that I did not like having so I overcompensated with macho stuff like the martial arts, hunting, boxing, porn and so many other things that I related to being a man. I of course became a really tough guy and a porn addict and left Chistianity by the wayside. I have never given into the gay sexual urges and I have been married to my wife since I was 18. I came back to Christ when I was thirty and have been a firm believers for 10 years. Because of my focus on being tough anger followed and like I said earlier so did porn addiction. I see the effects of lust in so many ways and sin really sets me off. I am a little militeristic in my Christian views, I am what you call a fundamentalist and a Bible literalist. I try to tone down my views by trying to stick with scripture. I hate sin but I love the sinners, another words I love the gay community but I hate the lifestyle. I realize that my views may hurt some feelings but the truth hurts.
I commend JamieinNH and I can relate to his plight. The Lord truly works in mysterious ways.
The atheist think christians are all about abortion and Homosexuality, but do not mention "money" so where are you getting this?
Robinson Crusoe
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I didn't understand your question at first. I think you are asking me, what does the love of money have to do with homosexuality? Well nowadays, Homosexuality is incentivized with, what amount to, quotas, in regards to everything from promotions, too entrance to graduate school (it's probably the most obvious way for a White Male to claim Diversity Privilege). Although, there is still a "glass ceiling," way up in the thin air of places like, being President of The United States and Pope.
Down and dirty, straight up and straight shooting, thanks robinD69 for your input.
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Miss Hepburn
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You must be very boring in bed by your own display of lack of imagination. Sorry to say....
Oh, yeah, it's a choice -who wouldn't choose to be fired, not rented to, beat up by gay bashers periodically, jeered at walking down the street, hide their
loved one from family, go alone to most weddings, holidays, company parties...feel inner shame bec of religious concepts drilled in in childhood, feel your whole life you're going to hell, hide your partner's car in back, wake up to spray paint on your house ---gee, I think I'll choose to be gay ---sounds alot easier than living in a society made for hetero couples -well couples, double occupancy, period.
I'm sorry you have not spoken to gays to find out what a difficult life it is. No one in there right mind would choose it.
You really need to show some evidence for these statements. I really think many other groups have it much worse than the gays it is just that they are more vocal than any other.
Miss Hepburn
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1. No, I don't...need to do anything
2. No one said other's do not have something worse. Irrelevant...whether anyone else does or not.
3. Vocal, shmocal ---irrelevant...makes no difference
The answer is it doesnt because its not natural, read of that in Romans. Its clearly a choice like evrything else.
1. Well then don't make unfounded acussations.
2. Not really irrelevant, just depends on what part of the nation you are in or what country you are in, you would be singled out for any old reason.
3. Actually it does make a difference when less than 5% of the population demands the other 95% give them special relevance.
Do you know how many fisherman there are, hunters, handicapted, think of all the other "special" groups that do not have the voice the gays do.
Robinson Crusoe
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Yeah, in 1952
Oh why do the wicked prosper!
01CobraVortech
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Pardon me for saying so, but none of these verses apply to the topic at hand. Each apply to lust, or, as you have kindly underlined, "sexual immorality." To most, I would think that lust and sexual immorality refer to sex outside of wedlock. I can understand that since in many places, the United States included, gay marriage is unlawful, that the provided passages would indicate that therefore homosexuality is a sin. I beg to differ. A loving relationship is possible between a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, and I understand how uncomfortable of an idea that is. To a heterosexual, the thought sits uneasily in one's stomach. That's simply because as a hetersexual, one is not attracted to the same sex, and can therefore not find themselves attracted to the same sex. It is hard to wrap one's mind around, but I personally know many homosexual couples who have been together for years and years, and have never been more in love. To remove what a Christian may claim to be the "sexually immoral" element, all the Christian community must do is accept the capacity of homosexuals to love, and doing so, eliminate the legal barrier that prevents homosexuals from marriage. I can think of no other instance in the Bible that condemns homosexuality, and even this condemnation is weak--the church could simply allow gay marriage so that lust and sexual immorality would no longer apply, as long as homosexuals chose to enter a marriage, which I believe many of them would. Remember, not 200 years ago, even the Catholic Church frequently performed marriages between two men--it is only in the last hundred years that the church has taken offense at the idea.
My apologies for not condensing my argument. I simply meant that the verses James provided do not so much condemn homosexuality as they condemn lust, which also applies equally to heterosexuals. If homosexuals were given the equal right to marry, then sex out of wedlock among the homosexual community would equal that of the heterosexual community, I am sure.
Selene
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I am sorry, but this is false. The Catholic Church has never preformed any same-sex marriage. It is against her catechism. If you are referring to "New Way's Ministry," that group is not recognized nor approved by the Vatican; therefore, they cannot speak on behalf of the Catholic faithful. They are not Catholic.
In Christ,
Selene
