Wormwood said:
Ill try this again... No, he's not. He offered to bake for the couple.
No, the differences are 1) the act of the gay couple getting married is illegal in Colorado and 2) they are asking the baker to lend his services to a specific act that violates his conscience.
I'll try this yet again.... it wasn't the orientation of the couple. It was the event they wanted him to participate in with his business. If it was a gay man's birthday party, it wouldn't have been an issue for the baker. The article is pretty clear on this regardless of how you try to spin it.
I try to find something we can both agree on as morally wrong. This is incredibly difficult since your views on the Bible's moral teaching are quite different than mine. I figure we can both agree on genocide and mass murder. Sorry if my comments bore you. You don't have to engage in the discussion if its so tiresome.
the ol' "you sin too so let's legalize my sin" argument? Two wrongs don't make a right. Two wrongs definitely shouldn't make one wrong the law of the land.
But according to you, "Two wrongs make my wrong both legal and obligatory for you to embrace as good and you must participate in my wrong...or I'll sue you." Im sure that's what Jesus would say.
Uh huh. So by your rationale, a minister must perform a gay marriage or they are discriminating. Yes or no?
BTW, if you look at Luke 6:42, it does say, "first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” But according to you, we should be in the business of both ignoring and planting specks in people's eyes. Is homosexuality a sin or not LightMessenger? Is it a speck to be removed or is it an act to be embraced?
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You are extrapolating and trying to make it sound as if it was I who is saying ".... you sin too so let's legalize my sin...." I did not say that. You did. You are only using that poor thought out excuse as a poor defense to try to save your argument but it will not work.
As for ministers, no one is saying that they are being
forced to perform gay marriage. If they wish to they can and if they don't they don't have to. It's as simple as that. The only thing there that many
are saying and something they are very much opposed to is if a church receives money from the Federal Government then that church
should be regulated by the government. And that is only right, fair, and just and I am in full agreement with that.
As for your come-back on Luke 6:42, again, you are making things up that I did not say in order to try to save your argument on this. There is no ".... planting specks in people's eyes." That is something that people guilty of that have already well planted there for themselves for all to see and become aware of.
As to your question on whether Homosexuality is a sin and one to remove that particular 'speck'. I have to overwhelmingly and unequivocally tell you that
It Is Not A Sin and should be embraced by normal thinking people who have no prejudice, intolerance, bigoted thoughts, and who do not discriminate.
Why? Because Jesus Christ said not one word against homosexuals and homosexuality. That is good enough for me and so many others! That is why I, for one, can never and will never buy into the stories of prejudice and bigotry where people like to use
inappropriate Scripture to make homosexuality appear to be a bad thing. It is not. If indeed it was such a grave "sin", Jesus would have clearly and definitively spoken against it and so would God His Father. He would have made it His Eleventh Commandment to prohibit homosexuality, only He didn't because He obviously knew there was absolutely nothing wrong with it and that it was a normal, acceptable sexual orientation as medicine and science has found to be the case and has also known for decades.
Again, the scare-tactic Scriptures used by bigots to try to condemn Gays and Lesbians are all speaking to other things and not against homosexuals or homosexuality and ALL Must Know and Understand That. One day you will learn the truth in this that God does not and cannot discriminate against a person who was
born with their sexual orientation being homosexual which He gave to them in the first place. It is the sin of
Promiscuity, for BOTH Homosexual and Heterosexual orientations, that He is against as is evidenced by Mary Magdalene, the woman in the Bible who had seven demons that Jesus freed her from. He told her to "go and sin no more" with regard to her
promiscuity. Not that she was a Lesbian or Gay and had to refrain from being that as that is not sinful in and of itself but promiscuity is.