HOW ALEXANDER THE GREATS CONQUEST DOES NOT FIT INTO DANIEL 8, Part 1 of 2

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HOW ALEXANDER THE GREATS CONQUEST DOES NOT FIT INTO DANIEL 8, Part 1 of 2

According to Dan 8:19 the vision in Dan 8 pertains to the final period of indignation or the end of the end times, which disqualifies Alexander the Great’s conquest because it took place in 331 BC, which is before the end times began.
Dan. 8:19 He said, “Behold, I am going to let you know what will occur at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end.

Since the vision pertains to the end of the end times and Media and Persia are no longer called by these names, this tells us that these ancient names, which are found in Dan 8:20 are symbolic of the names of these regions in the end of the end times. Today Media is called Iraq and Persia is called Iran. The fact that the vision takes place in the end of the end times and these ancient kingdoms and their ancient names are no longer in existence, disqualifies Alexander the Greats conquest as the fulfillment of Dan 8, since Alexander the Great’s conquest took place in 331 BC, which is before the end times began and he defeated Persia, which in the vision of the end of the end times symbolically represents Iran. The vision in Dan 8 depicts a war that involves the kings of Iran and Iraq, which supports the idea that the two horns symbolized King Ayatollah Khmeini of Iran and Saddam Hussein of Iraq. Saddam Hussein was the longer horn that came up last as described in Dan 8:3
Dan 8:20 “The ram which you saw with the two horns represents the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:3 Then I lifted my gaze and looked, and behold, a ram which had two horns was standing in front of the canal. Now the two horns were long, but one was longer than the other, with the longer one coming up last.


The fact that Dan 8:20 and Dan 8:7 tell us the shaggy goat with the large conspicuous horn defeats both the kings of Media and Persia, disqualifies Alexander the Greats’ conquest as the fulfillment of Dan 8 because he only defeated King Darius of Persia. At the time Alexander the Great’s Conquest took place there was no kingdom or king of Media. In contrast to this, Iran and Iraq were in existance during the Persian Gulf War and King Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran took part in the Persian Gulf War when he agreed to trade with Iraq if an embargo was imposed and he allowed King Saddam Hussein of Iraq to hide his Air Force in Iran to keep it from being destroyed by the Shaggy Goat that came from the west, which symbolized the US led coalition of 34 nations.
Dan 8:20 “The ram which you saw with the two horns represents the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:7 I saw him come beside the ram, and he was enraged at him; and he struck the ram and shattered his two horns, and the ram had no strength to withstand him. So he hurled him to the ground and trampled on him, and there was none to rescue the ram from his power.


The fact that Dan 8:21 tells us that the large conspicuous horn is the first of the ten kings, which according to Dan 7:24 the antichrist arises from among, disqualifies the idea that the large conspicuous horn symbolized Alexander the Great, since Alexander the Great is dead and the Antichrist has not emerged on the scene yet. This disqualification adds to the fact that the vision pertains to the end of end times and Alexander the Greats’ conquest took place before the end times even began.
Dan. 8:5 While I was observing, behold, a male goat was coming from the west over the surface of the whole earth without touching the ground; and the goat had a conspicuous horn between his eyes.
Dan 8:21 “The shaggy goat represents the kingdom of Greece, and the large horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Dan 7:24 ‘As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.
 

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Daniel 8 speaks of the time from the time of the Medes and Persians in Babylon up and until the 2,300 years prophecy of the Little Horn being given periodically armies during this 2,300 year prophecy. Daniel 8 is not associated with Daniel 7:19-27 as the respective time periods no not overlap. The 2,300-year prophecy will end in our near future when the sixth age ends in around 20-25 years time when the Armageddon event occurs and the kings of the earth are Gathered together at the place described in Rev 16:12-16 as Armageddon and they will be judged with the Heavenly hosts, who are judged in heaven for their respective sins of trampling God Sanctuary and His earthly hosts and together they will be imprisoned for many days n a pit to await the time of their punishment. (Isaiah 24:21-22). The events of this period that also takes place, are described in Daniel 7:1-12.

Daniel 7:19-27 speaks of the time after the Heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth are released from the pit, i.e., the Bottomless Pit, after 1,000 years of imprisonment has passed and during the Little While Period at the end of the Seventh Age, that allows time for Satan and the others locked up with him to do their thing before they are all dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

It seems that your understanding does not completely fit in with what the scriptures describe.

Shalom
 
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Daniel 8 speaks of the time from the time of the Medes and Persians in Babylon up and until the 2,300 years prophecy of the Little Horn being given periodically armies during this 2,300 year prophecy. Daniel 8 is not associated with Daniel 7:19-27 as the respective time periods no not overlap. The 2,300-year prophecy will end in our near future when the sixth age ends in around 20-25 years time when the Armageddon event occurs and the kings of the earth are Gathered together at the place described in Rev 16:12-16 as Armageddon and they will be judged with the Heavenly hosts, who are judged in heaven for their respective sins of trampling God Sanctuary and His earthly hosts and together they will be imprisoned for many days n a pit to await the time of their punishment. (Isaiah 24:21-22). The events of this period that also takes place, are described in Daniel 7:1-12.

Daniel 7:19-27 speaks of the time after the Heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth are released from the pit, i.e., the Bottomless Pit, after 1,000 years of imprisonment has passed and during the Little While Period at the end of the Seventh Age, that allows time for Satan and the others locked up with him to do their thing before they are all dispatched into the Lake of Fire.

It seems that your understanding does not completely fit in with what the scriptures describe.

Shalom
Dan 8:14 tells us that the 2300 in your post is days not years. Dan 8:13 Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to that particular one who was speaking, “ How long will the vision about the regular sacrifice apply, while the transgression causes horror, so as to allow both the holy place and the host to be trampled?” 14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the holy place will be properly restored.”