Partial Preterisim in Revelation through the Amillennial view. Part 1

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Partial Preterisim in Revelation through the Amillennial view.

This is my edited version of an article I read. I wrote this for clarity because truth matters, and for Christians to see another view of Revelation and to take away fear of the future.

The best way to understand Revelation is by asking what did it mean to the people that it was written too during the times that they were living in?

Please read each chapter of Revelation before each chapter breakdown.

Chapter 1: Jesus appears to John, to give a message to seven churches of what must soon take place because the time was near. Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ as in who Jesus is and what He did. Jesus is God and He ushered in the New Covenant.

The “coming of the Son of Man” is not referring to the Second Coming, but to the “judgment coming” of 70 AD, which John says was targeted against “the tribes of the Land” (the tribes of Israel). In the bible, the phrase “coming in the clouds” is an apocalyptic symbol for coming in judgement.


Chapter 2-3: Jesus has John write seven letters to seven literal churches in Asia (near the island of Patmos where John was). The theme of each letter also alludes to a section of the Revelation itself. Although the message was directly to seven literal churches that were in the world when John penned Revelation, they were also instructions and warning to the church throughout history. These letters are vital to keep a church healthy.


Chapter 4: John is taken to heaven. He sees the throne of God, the 4 “living creatures” and the 24 elders (who symbolically represent the whole Church). Some believe that this is symbolic of the rapture but the text states that only John is taken up to heaven for the purpose of receiving and conveying a message for the church.


Chapter 5: John sees God the Father holding the scroll of the New Covenant. It is sealed with seven seals, which was recognized in first-century Judea as being the “will” of a deceased person. This scroll of the New Covenant is the will of Jesus Christ himself, who ascends to heaven and takes the scroll to open it because only Jesus is worthy.


Chapter 6: John sees the first six seals of the scroll broken open. A scroll broken open was right before the events in the scroll were to take place. Daniel was told to seal up his scroll because it was for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4) John was told not to seal up the words of his scroll because the time was near (Revelation 22:10).

Each seal draws a parallel to the prophecies of Christ in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24-25, Luke 21 & Mark 13), and to the Covenant curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. These seals were the series of events that take place in the first-century, culminating in the war of Rome upon Judea. (30-70 AD)


Chapter 7: John sees the whole Church (the great multitude), symbolically represented as a group of 144,000. The twelve tribes of Israel are named, but rearranged for symbolic purposes. Judah is placed at the first of the list, because Jesus is the “Lion of Judah”. Dan is removed from the list because Genesis 49 calls him a “serpent”, who is the enemy of the Church in the Revelation. Dan is replaced by Manasseh, similar to how Judas was replaced by Matthias. They are sealed with the seal of God, to show that they are protected from the wrath of Gods destruction of Jerusalem during the Jewish-Roman War. (67-70 AD)

Just as John hears of the Lion of the tribe of Judah he then turns and sees the Lamb that was slain, John hears of the 144,000 and then turns and sees the great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language. The great multitude are the martyred saints that came out of the great tribulation which is different from the wrath of God from which the saints are protected. The great tribulation started the day Stephen was martyred and is still happing today.

Chapter 8: John sees the seventh seal broken open an answer to the prayers of the martyred saints under apostate Israel from Rev 6:9. The New Covenant has been fully established, and God’s wrath upon Old Covenant apostate Israel is poured out. John’s vision starts over, to show him the events leading up to the Jewish-Roman War from another perspective, via seven trumpets. The first four trumpets are blown, depicting the destruction that took place in Judea through plagues, famines, false teachings, etc.

Chapter 9: John sees the fifth trumpet blown. The saints are protected by Gods wrath by Gods seal (No Christians died in the fall of Jerusalem) Pagan Romans, symbolized as locusts (Joel 2:1-11), invade Judea. They torment the Christ-rejecting Jews for five months (May-September 66 AD), inciting them to rebel against the Roman Empire. (5 months is also an average life span of a locus). John sees the sixth trumpet blown. Roman armies stationed at the Euphrates River in Syria march on to Judea, straight to Jerusalem (Late 66 AD) where they kill numerous Christ-rejecting Jews who still did not repent. The king from the Abyss is the eighth king is satan who is the destroyer (Exodus 12:23).



Chapter 10: John has a vision of an angel. The angel symbolically depicts the uniting of the Jews (the Land) and the Gentiles (the Sea), and declares the “mystery of God” to be almost complete. [Romans 11.25; Ephesians 3.4-6; Colossians 1.27] The angel gives John a “little scroll” to eat and prophesy, a symbolic representation of John being given the Revelation itself.



Chapter 11: John is told to measure the Temple of God, which is the Body of Christ, the Church. [John 2.19-21; 1 Corinthians 3.16; Ephesians 2.19-22] The “outer court” of the temple and the city of Jerusalem (symbolic representations of apostate Israel) are left to the Gentiles (the Romans) to trample upon for 42 months. (February 67 – August 70 AD) John sees two witnesses (symbolic representations of the Law and the Prophets) persecuted by “the beast” (Rome) and “the great city” (Jerusalem being apostate Israel). They are depicted as being “conquered” by Rome, but are resurrected and taken to heaven, a depiction of Jesus’ life, which the Law and the Prophets pointed too.

“The great city” Jerusalem is destroyed, the seventh trumpet is blown which marks the end of our world as the time comes for judging the dead and rewarding the saints and the prophets (rev 20:11-15)



Chapter 12: John’s visions start over. A “woman” (ethnic Israel Genesis 37:9-10) gives birth to a “male child” (Christ) despite the opposition of the dragon (Satan). Christ is taken up to God’s throne (symbolically representing his victory upon the cross), and Satan and the fallen angels are exiled from heaven. The cross and resurrection brought the kingdom and salvation to the saints, these events ushered in the start of the thousand-year reign of Christ.

The dragon attempts to destroy the woman (Satan’s attempts to destroy the Jewish apostles when they founded the Church), but fails. He goes on to make war upon “the rest of the woman’s offspring” (the Church made up of both Jew and Gentile).



Chapter 13: Satan gives his power to the Roman Empire and its Emperors (depicted as a sea-beast with seven heads). John gives a prophecy about the Empire’s death and subsequent resurrection that took place following Nero’s suicide. (68-69 AD) John describes the present persecution of the Christians by the Roman Empire, prophesying that it would last for 42 months. (November 64 – June 68 AD) John sees apostate Israel (depicted as an earth-beast lamb the only clean animal beast) ally itself with the Roman Empire in this persecution.

Apostate Israel gave power to the beast when they had the Jews shout that they have no king but Cesar. The “mark of the beast” is Hebrew gematria that codifies the name of Nero Caesar into the number 666. The name is not believed to have been codified because John was afraid of persecution (he was already being persecuted), but because of the symbolism behind the number 666. The “mark” is not a literal tattoo (this would contradict John 3:16 and many other verses that promise salvation for whoever believes) but refers to how apostate Israel required its opponents to submit to the Roman Emperors or face persecution. Anyone who took the mark was spared from the wrath of Rome and apostate Israel.



Chapter 14: John sees the 144,000, representing the whole Church, standing upon Mount Zion with Christ. Babylon the great (apostate Jerusalem) is about to fall so Jesus harvest the elected saints from Gods wrath on the city (Matthew 24:31) Another harvest takes place, this time resulting in God’s wrath being poured out upon apostate Israel depicted as a “great winepress of the wrath of God”. John sees blood-wine flow out of the winepress, spreading for 1600 stadia. This is the approximate length of the Land of Israel (67-70 AD).



Chapter 15: John has another vision a different version of Gods wrath, he sees seven bowls containing seven plagues, ready to be poured out upon the beast kingdom and apostate Israel.

 
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Partial Preterisim in Revelation through the Amillennial view.

This is my edited version of an article I read. I wrote this for clarity because truth matters, and for Christians to see another view of Revelation and to take away fear of the future.

The best way to understand Revelation is by asking what did it mean to the people that it was written too during the times that they were living in?


Chapter 1: Jesus appears to John, to give a message to seven churches of what must soon take place because the time was near. Revelation is the revelation of Jesus Christ as in who Jesus is and what He did. Jesus is God and He ushered in the New Covenant.

The “coming of the Son of Man” is not referring to the Second Coming, but to the “judgment coming” of 70 AD, which John says was targeted against “the tribes of the Land” (the tribes of Israel). In the bible, the phrase “coming in the clouds” is an apocalyptic symbol for coming in judgement.


Chapter 2-3: Jesus has John write seven letters to seven literal churches in Asia (near the island of Patmos where John was). The theme of each letter also alludes to a section of the Revelation itself. Although the message was directly to seven literal churches that were in the world when John penned Revelation, they were also instructions and warning to the church throughout history. These letters are vital to keep a church healthy.


Chapter 4: John is taken to heaven. He sees the throne of God, the 4 “living creatures” and the 24 elders (who symbolically represent the whole Church). Some believe that this is symbolic of the rapture but the text states that only John is taken up to heaven for the purpose of receiving and conveying a message for the church.


Chapter 5: John sees God the Father holding the scroll of the New Covenant. It is sealed with seven seals, which was recognized in first-century Judea as being the “will” of a deceased person. This scroll of the New Covenant is the will of Jesus Christ himself, who ascends to heaven and takes the scroll to open it because only Jesus is worthy.


Chapter 6: John sees the first six seals of the scroll broken open. A scroll broken open was right before the events in the scroll were to take place. Daniel was told to seal up his scroll because it was for the time of the end (Daniel 12:4) John was told not to seal up the words of his scroll because the time was near (Revelation 22:10).

Each seal draws a parallel to the prophecies of Christ in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24-25, Luke 21 & Mark 13), and to the Covenant curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28. These seals were the series of events that take place in the first-century, culminating in the war of Rome upon Judea. (30-70 AD)


Chapter 7: John sees the whole Church (the great multitude), symbolically represented as a group of 144,000. The twelve tribes of Israel are named, but rearranged for symbolic purposes. Judah is placed at the first of the list, because Jesus is the “Lion of Judah”. Dan is removed from the list because Genesis 49 calls him a “serpent”, who is the enemy of the Church in the Revelation. Dan is replaced by Manasseh, similar to how Judas was replaced by Matthias. They are sealed with the seal of God, to show that they are protected from the wrath of Gods destruction of Jerusalem during the Jewish-Roman War. (67-70 AD)
Revelation 7 is "Future" and it didn't take place in the 66-70AD Roman War in Jerusalem
 
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Preterism is a doctrine of men devised in certain Christian seminaries through old traditions of the Catholic Church.

Since the Protestant Rebellion, the Catholic Church sought methods to destroy Protestant doctrine from The Bible, and Preterism is one of their systems they developed, secretly, and planted within certain Protestant denominations.

The worse case of Preterist thought is with Full-Preterism which pushes the falsehood that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles.

So consider just what kind of ideas Preterism is designed to promote --

That system is designed to make the believer think that THIS PRESENT WORLD can be Christ's Kingdom having come. No need to wait for Jesus' return, we can have it now! and it's up to Christianity to make it happen today! That's their ticket.

Now exactly who... would want those in Christ to believe that can happen for this world, since Bible prophecy clearly says that won't happen for this present world? Can you say... "one world government", and "New World Order", and the beast of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns?
 
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Preterism is a doctrine of men devised in certain Christian seminaries through old traditions of the Catholic Church.

Since the Protestant Rebellion, the Catholic Church sought methods to destroy Protestant doctrine from The Bible, and Preterism is one of their systems they developed, secretly, and planted within certain Protestant denominations.

The worse case of Preterist thought is with Full-Preterism which pushes the falsehood that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles.

So consider just what kind of ideas Preterism is designed to promote --

That system is designed to make the believer think that THIS PRESENT WORLD can be Christ's Kingdom having come. No need to wait for Jesus' return, we can have it now! and it's up to Christianity to make it happen today! That's their ticket.

Now exactly who... would want those in Christ to believe that can happen for this world, since Bible prophecy clearly says that won't happen for this present world? Can you say... "one world government", and "New World Order", and the beast of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns?
I believe that the second coming is still future
 

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I believe that the second coming is still future

Don't you mean a 3rd coming in your case? Does not Matthew 24:30 involve a coming? And do you not take it to be involving a coming in 70 AD while most of us take it to be involving the 2nd coming in the end of this age? Per my view it only adds up to 2 comings when taking the coming in Matthew 24:30 to be meaning the coming in the end of this age. Per your view it involves 3 comings, thus is not Scriptural since the coming in Matthew 24:30 is meaning a coming in 70 AD to you. It doesn't matter what sense you are taking that coming in, it still involves a coming, even plainly says so in the text, therefore, it has to be counted as a coming, obviously.

Except the Bible only predicts 2 comings of Christ. One already happened, the other is yet to happen. Instead of you agreeing with the Bible you are predicting 3 comings not 2, where 2 of them already happened and the 3rd one is yet to happen. Who should anyone with any common sense be agreeing with here? The Bible? Or someone that is contradicting the Bible per their view of things?

One thing I have noticed, Pretribbers and Preterists have some things in common. For one, both views insist there are more than 2 comings of Christ rather than just 2 comings. I will never accept your false teachings in regards to the comings of Christ, that there are 3 rather than 2, even if Amil is the correct position. Equally, anyone with any common sense will never accept your false teachings that Christ comes 3 times not 2 times, either.

Amil vs Premil is a complex topic, thus is very debatable. The comings of Christ are not a complex topic, thus should not be debatable. There are only 2 comings of Christ, not 3 or more like Preterists and Pretribbers would have us believe.
 

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Don't you mean a 3rd coming in your case? Does not Matthew 24:30 involve a coming? And do you not take it to be involving a coming in 70 AD while most of us take it to be involving the 2nd coming in the end of this age? Per my view it only adds up to 2 comings when taking the coming in Matthew 24:30 to be meaning the coming in the end of this age. Per your view it involves 3 comings, thus is not Scriptural since the coming in Matthew 24:30 is meaning a coming in 70 AD to you. It doesn't matter what sense you are taking that coming in, it still involves a coming, even plainly says so in the text, therefore, it has to be counted as a coming, obviously.

Except the Bible only predicts 2 comings of Christ. One already happened, the other is yet to happen. Instead of you agreeing with the Bible you are predicting 3 comings not 2, where 2 of them already happened and the 3rd one is yet to happen. Who should anyone with any common sense be agreeing with here? The Bible? Or someone that is contradicting the Bible per their view of things?

One thing I have noticed, Pretribbers and Preterists have some things in common. For one, both views insist there are more than 2 comings of Christ rather than just 2 comings. I will never accept your false teachings in regards to the comings of Christ, that there are 3 rather than 2, even if Amil is the correct position. Equally, anyone with any common sense will never accept your false teachings that Christ comes 3 times not 2 times, either.

Amil vs Premil is a complex topic, thus is very debatable. The comings of Christ are not a complex topic, thus should not be debatable. There are only 2 comings of Christ, not 3 or more like Preterists and Pretribbers would have us believe.
There are only two literal coming of Christ but He came many times in judgement

Rev 1
5 Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place

16 Repent therefore! Otherwise, I will soon come to you and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Isaiah 19
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.
 

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The best way to understand Revelation is by asking what did it mean to the people that it was written too during the times that they were living in?

Marty, when you ask this question, do you believe that Christ was speaking to believers who were Jews? IOW is it more significant to understand that the discourse is directed primarily to the nation of Israel (Jews), or primarily to followers of Christ?
 

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Marty, when you ask this question, do you believe that Christ was speaking to believers who were Jews? IOW is it more significant to understand that the discourse is directed primarily to the nation of Israel (Jews), or primarily to followers of Christ?
In those days Christians would of known the Jewish symbolic language as they learned Christianity from Jewish Christians
 

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In those days Christians would of known the Jewish symbolic language as they learned Christianity from Jewish Christians

I'm not following your reasoning, Marty? I simply want to know if the Preterist view the discourse as Christ speaking primarily to ethnic Jews, or the disciples of Christ? Because Preterists are primarily focused on 70 AD, and don't seem to give much if any thought to the fact that Christ is speaking to His disciples of things that would affect them both physically and spiritually as they take the Gospel of the Kingdom of God unto all the nations of the world.
 

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I'm not following your reasoning, Marty? I simply want to know if the Preterist view the discourse as Christ speaking primarily to ethnic Jews, or the disciples of Christ? Because Preterists are primarily focused on 70 AD, and don't seem to give much if any thought to the fact that Christ is speaking to His disciples of things that would affect them both physically and spiritually as they take the Gospel of the Kingdom of God unto all the nations of the world.
Sorry I though that you were asking about Revelation.

The Olivet discourse was spoken directly only to Peter, John, James and Andrew but the message mainly to the disciples of what would happen to them after Jesus ascension and we see some of this played out in the book of Acts.

It was also a warning about the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple with a date stamp on it proving without a doubt that Jesus was God.
 

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I believe that the second coming is still future
Which is true, and Partial Preterism holds to that.

But Partial Preterism does not keep Bible prophecy about the events Lord Jesus gave His Church to be watching in the last day leading up to His future return. I know, because I was raised in a mainstream Protestant Church that followed men's doctrine of Partial Preterism.

FULL Preterism though, that's obvious to me a doctrine directly from the devil, to try and get the believer to think that Christ's Kingdom is already established here on earth today, I mean look at all the Bible prophecy that is to happen when Jesus returns, that's what they believe has been happening since Jesus was raised in His Apostle's days. Religion can be very dangerous to one's soul if... they latch onto many of the false doctrines out there instead of keeping God's Word as written.