[quote name='Sir Knight;74566]Oh yeah' date=' I forgot. Just like the 25,000+ Protestant denominations ALL claiming to be guided by the Holy Spirit yet disagreeing with each other on one or more elements of faith. Given the fact that AT BEST only one of them is in fact guided by the Holy Spirit and 24,999+ of them are making FALSE claims, what should proof can you offer that your claim does not fall into one of those false claims?Just because you do not believe something does not make it false. It stands as recorded history.Wrong again. The Catholic Church was the Church spoken of in the bible.And that is how 24,999+ denominations along with hundreds of millions of followers are following false doctrine.Scripture has it that the Church that Jesus established would exist for all generations. Where is this Church today and how does it trace it's roots back to Peter and the Apostles? Or, men can be convicted by another spirit and led to a false doctrine as the bible warns us of. The fact the 24,999+ denominations have a false doctrine disproves your claims.Boy, are you confused. Sin, by definition, is a WILLFUL act. One can not sin by accident.That's where the concept of Purgatory comes in and the forgiveness of sins by the priest.Then what proof can you offer that you are also not one of the ones who THINKS that they are guided by the Holy Spirit but in reality are not?You DO need official titles. The Bible commands us to obey our Church leaders. The Bible tells us that Bishops and Elders are those leaders and they do not take that authority upon themselves but receive it from someone who already has that authority by the laying on of hands. Even St. Paul, who was personally picked by Jesus, did not begin his ministry until after meeting with Peter and having a Bishop lay hands on him. And that, is in the bible!I ask again, what proof can you offer which differs from the 24,999+ other denominations who falsely believe that they too are being guided by the Holy Spirit?Without proof which differs from the other 24,999+, I choose to reject it.The fact that NO Protestant organization existed prior to the 16th century EXCLUDES them from the running because the bible says that Christ's Church would exist for all generations.You keep claiming that the Holy Spirit will establish what is correct. That is the claim of 25,000+ Protestant denominations. Yet, AT BEST, only one of them can be correct and 24,999+ of them are making FALSE claims.[/QUOTE']Why do you persist in referring to the protestant organizations when i have stated twice now that i do not belong to any protestant organizations? Maybe you have been trained in countering protestants? Maybe your so comfortable in that. that you refuse to see me as i am?You have proclaimed whom you have your faith in. You can only see a church of bricks and mortar an officially sanctioned church of the roman emperor. You think you have security in this official church that has been the servant of the kings of this world. You believe in the official state sanctioned history they produce and protect.You proclaim an earned eternity with God through paying for your sins in purgatory and thereby you deny that the blood of Jesus is what saves. No No No says the catholic church you will all pay for your sins in purgatory Jesus died for nothing. The truth is only the truth of Jesus will provide you with Eternal safety. The beast that supports the harlot will turn on her in the end and tear her to shreds. All Praise The Ancient Of Days