How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[Wrangler]

1 Peter 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
thks

NKJV translation

1 Peter 4:8

New Living Translation

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8 Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

This is a question I hate. Advocates say you should be 100% confidant but that doesn't seem humble to me.

How confident are you? What does that say about your humility?

Hello, Brother, Wrangler, how are you all? We are well, really, a good question now to me than before. 1 Peter 5:5-9 KJV, especially verse 6, is what I have my confidence in. Thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[Wrangler]

who says this? I have never met anyone who says this

I have on this very thread several times.

What is your explanation for people who are saved, sealed, have the spirit of Christ dwell in them but then sin?

 

[amigo de christo]

you have accepted Christ, you are a new creation, the old things have passed away, there is nothing more you need to do.

no behavior positive or negative can change our status of eternal salvation.

You are saved, you don't need to abide in me Jn 15:1-6 you are always united to me even in sin.

do you believe these statements?

Nope . Cause it ai nt what JESUS said or implied .
Nor was it what paul taught .
I suggest heavy bible reading for all . As far as us being a new creature that is true .
And may i remind us all of what JESUS said and later the apostels would confirm .
HE who endures till the END the same shall be saved .
Any who has the SPIRIT will know . For the SPIRIT is our guide and always it does unction us
CONTINUE onwards in me , look not back and abstain from all evil and do good .
WHY do you think the same H OLY SPIRIT filled men
when writing to churches was always correcting sin and error in such churches .
ALways reminding them
FOR WE ARE MADE partakers OF CHRIST , IF WE HOLD our confidence firm to the END .
THEY KNEW how to keep a church safe . FOR IT was the SPIRIT that led them and taught them
and had them teach and exhort the peoples .
But today when one tries to remind the church ab out continuing to the end
or warns them about sin and error , THEY get called a pharisee and accused of not trusting in JESUS .
RATHER ODD . THEY say men like me dont trust in JESUS , b ut wasnt it JESUS
and later even the apostels that warned the church about sin and Ab out having to continue in him
FIRM TO THE END . exactly . They trust in men and their doctrines .
as for me I TRUST WHAT JESUS SAID . and later what the HOLY SPIRIT Filled apostels said .
CAUSE TRUTH IS TRUTH . And this sheep knows truth when i hear it and or read it .
EVERY WORD OF GOD is TRUTH , thus every WORD OF CHRIST IS TRUTH . Just a friendly reminder for us all .

 

[amigo de christo]

You came to mind this morning.
I was watching Trent Horn having a conversation with Gavin Ortland.
Catholic - Lutheran

Trent Horm is a top Catholic apologist.
When you'd watch this stuff years ago it would always be about who's right.
Now it's about getting together, discovering how they could agree on different doctrine,
how we need to get along.

I thought...ooooh...
that's what Amigo always posts about.

It also seems to me that the CC is becoming more Protestant every day.

OK
sleepy time
zzzzzzzz

what you are witnessing is the creation of the religoin of inclusivity .
You will see them more and more becoming like the other .
And it will not be about TRUTH , about pure and holy doctrine . Nope it is all becoming about
a religion that pleases and panders to man and is set on an agenda .
and that agenda is inclusive . As it now panders to the false religons as well .
ITS all becoming one big inclusive melting pot . And that pot in no way HONORS GOD OR CHRIST .
its a man pleaser set up to make folks feel good as they mold an image
of God and of what they cliam as love , that will actually MERGE ALL religoins as one .
ITS the god of inclusivity . the god of the judge not correct not , UNLESS its one speaking doctrine
that does expose sins and even false religoins . NOPE . TIS all about Finding common ground now .
BUT allow me this reminder .
WHAT common ground does CHRIST and anti christ have .
What does TRUTH have in common with A LIE .
What does a christain have in common with an anti christ , a false religoin . and the answer is , NOTHING .
OUR common ground , IS JESUS and is with those who are like minded to serve honor and obey HIM .
AS for all else and everyone else , THEY SHOULD have been preached JESUS with the dire need to BELIEVE ON HIM .
And ifthey recieve not the gospel they should have had the dust shaken off , NOT TRIED TO FIND COMMON GROUND with .
ITS all a mess now my friend . HOLD firm to THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES .
DO NOT compromise . DO not yield to the powers of darkness that has come
to take all captive to a big ol kuymbia we are one LIE . do not heed its voice .
HEED only the voice of the GREAT KING and HIGH PREIST of our faith KING JESUS and stay in that bible .

 

[amigo de christo]

You came to mind this morning.
I was watching Trent Horn having a conversation with Gavin Ortland.
Catholic - Lutheran

Trent Horm is a top Catholic apologist.
When you'd watch this stuff years ago it would always be about who's right.
Now it's about getting together, discovering how they could agree on different doctrine,
how we need to get along.

I thought...ooooh...
that's what Amigo always posts about.

It also seems to me that the CC is becoming more Protestant every day.

OK
sleepy time
zzzzzzzz

THE CC is pandering to protestants . the CC seems to be more protestant but so too does
the Prostant realm seem to be more CC . ITS A MELITING POT .
AND IT Wont end there . THEY G ONNA MERGE IN THE FALSE RELIGOINS AS WELL .
I am sorry to have to report , but the leaders on both sides
have pretty much sold out to the religion of inclusivity . a religion
that will mold to any group so as to fit into such a group and win such a group .
BUT NOT TO GOD . NOT TO CHRIST but to a well planned out ONE WORLD RELIGOIN
known as inclusivisim . And oh yeah the agenda will serve a one world govt .
ONLY they wont see it as such , they will simply believe they doing the will of GOD . ONLY IT AINT OF GOD .
Try and remember these words . AN D bY PEACE HE SHALL DESTROY MANY .
NOW go and examine their interrreligious int efaith ecmeincal dialogue .
AND YOU SEE what its peace plan DENEID . it denied the peace plan of GOD , WHCH IS JESUS
and the dire need to BELEIVE ON HIM so as one can be reconciled too and have peace WITH GOD .
AND YET they call this peace plan of GOD . OH NOT IT AINT . its leading them all to someone and something else .

 

[amigo de christo]

You came to mind this morning.
I was watching Trent Horn having a conversation with Gavin Ortland.
Catholic - Lutheran

Trent Horm is a top Catholic apologist.
When you'd watch this stuff years ago it would always be about who's right.
Now it's about getting together, discovering how they could agree on different doctrine,
how we need to get along.

I thought...ooooh...
that's what Amigo always posts about.

It also seems to me that the CC is becoming more Protestant every day.

OK
sleepy time
zzzzzzzz

its all become about agreeing to disagree . as they preach a love they cliam is of GOD .
However examine where this judge not lets just get along and find common ground is and has led them .
THEY now overlook sins in the church
And worse they now even overlook UNBELIEF in the false religoins .
BUT guess what they wont tolerate , wont agree to disagree with but rather run them and the words they bring
RIGHT out the door .
THEY WILL NOT tolerate correction , exposing sins , they t reat the holy words of GOD as though they hate speech .
AND YET say all day GOD IS LOVE and we love humanity and GOD . really .
HOW can they LOVE a GOD that none has seen
WHEN THEY HATE HIS WORDS HE INSPIRED . you cannot LOVE GOD and HATE TRUTH . they are decieved my friend .
but they think they LOVE , they know GOD .
WELL lets see if their judge not correct not is love .
OR is it hate claoked as though its loving and kind .
YE SHALL NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart you shall CORRECT HIM and not ALLOW SIN upon HIM .
Their love they think is of GOD , IS hate and is of the world and not GOD .
CAUSE it leaves folks in sin , in unrepentance and now leaves even false religons in UNBELIEF as the gospel
is now silenced for a lie that ALL RELIGOINS serve the same GOD . that is where this was always going to lead them .
ITS why for years i been warning . I was not the monster they made me out to be nor a hater .
I simply did and do what i do for their sakes no matter how hated i am fore doing this .

 

[Wrangler]

Hello, Brother, Wrangler, how are you all? We are well, really, a good question now to me than before. 1 Peter 5:5-9 KJV, especially verse 6, is what I have my confidence in. Thank you.

Love, Walter

Good to hear from you. Nice verse to reference.

 

[Armour of God]

Not sure what Armour you have on. But it does not appear to be the armour of God.. You may want to check that

Apffft. Resorting to personal attacks.
They says everything about you.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Good to hear from you. Nice verse to reference.

Always good to hear from you also, I'm learning some things.

Love, Walter

 

[Wrangler]

Heb 10 is in context of the law. and those returning to it..

Are you trying to shield your flawed theology, half Gospel in "context," thereby dismissing God's word, which implies we shouldn't be too confident knowing there is a sin that no sacrifice covers?

You can't believe what you typed as "there is a sin that no sacrifice covers" really has nothing to do with returning to the law.

And your characterization of Heb 10 is incorrect. The NSRV chapter heading is Christ's Sacrifice Once and for All, where the limits of that sacrifice are made explicit, there's a sin that no sacrifice covers! Meaning not even Christ's sacrifice covers certain actions on our part.

As the reader approaches v 26, the NSRV section heading is A Call to Persevere, which again, points to needed action on our part. Why is there a need for us to persevere? Read in context v 36
For you need endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what was promised

Do you not see the ongoing conditional nature of how our actions will be judged - our need to preserver and endure in doing God's will - as a prerequisite to receive the promise? We may NOT receive the promise of salvation IF we don't have endurance to act a certain way. Do you have eyes to see?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you have accepted Christ, you are a new creation, the old things have passed away, there is nothing more you need to do.

no behavior positive or negative can change our status of eternal salvation.

You are saved, you don't need to abide in me Jn 15:1-6 you are always united to me even in sin.

do you believe these statements?

I believe John 15 is about producing fruit. It is about living our our salvation.

The law and all of the works of the law could not Cause God to forgive one sin.

do you think your works will do any better than the law could? What makes you think you are better than King David? Abraham? Or any of the prophets. Who were saved by trusting in God. not by any works..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

does grace automatically cover our sins or do we need to repent and confess?

thks

Are we saved by Grace (unearned favor based on Gods love and mercy)

Or are we saved by works?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Persons on Forums are humble?

good one..lol

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Christ does not do it all for us! that's substitutionism

Ah. So its like the OT animal sacrifices. where an animal was substituted in our place. and purchased our atonement and redemption?

Christ obtained the redemption and atonement making our union with Him by grace possible

Yes.. Because he took what we owe. and he paid the prince in our place.

Christ does it with us! Jn 15:1-6 abide in me (union

thks

Yes. To work out our salvation, to practice it. To Make fruit.

Not to stay saved.

union

ps 23:4 thou art with me (union$
Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed ( union)
mt 28:20 I am with you (union)
acts 9:4 persecuted the church, why do you persecute me (union)
eph 5:24 church is subject to Christ (union)
eph 5:32 mystical union with Christ

Ephesians 5:23
For the husband is the head of thewife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. (union)

thks

Yes.

We are a union

He made atonement for my sin debt
He redeemed my by his blood
He saved me from Gods wrath
He justified me by his grace and mercy
He perfected me forever
He Gave me every spiritual blessing under heaven
He seated me in the heavenly places.
He has forgiven me all sin (becuse he paid for them on the cross)
He gave me the living water that endures to eternal life
He gave me the food which endures forever.

He gave me the promise he will never leave nor forsake me
He gave me the promise he will raise me onl the last day. I will not be delievered to him
He gave me the promise I will never die, I will live forever
He gave me the HS as a pledge or guarantee until the day of redemption
He is now my Abba Father.
He gave me not a spirit of fear. but a spirit of sound mind
He gave me hope. He gave me A father, He gave me a Spirit and he gave me a savior.
He gave me a home to look forward to. I am a stranger on this plant. This is not my home.. He is prepairing a place for me.



Now if you want to deny all these promises and try to earn them by your works. Feel free..

I will continue to abide in him, for he is worthy..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

NKJV translation

1 Peter 4:8​

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New Living Translation​

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8 Most important of all, continue to show deep love for each other, for love covers a multitude of sins.

I normally do not like the NLV. But in this case it got it correct. Not sure what version he is using. the word is AGAPE.

We love because he first loved us, In fact. the only way we can produce Agape love is because of what he gave us

1 John 4: 17 Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world. 18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear involves torment. But he who fears has not been made perfect in love. 19 We love Him because He first loved us.

How can I have this love that covers a multitude of sin?

1. Gods love is perfected in me
2. I can be bold on the day of judgment, because as he is so Am
3. I have no fear. because I am in his love, His love has cast out any fear I may have concerning judgment, Because I know he loved me and gave himself for me
4. If I was not assured of my salvation. or Gods love is perfect. I would have to fear. Because I could never know my situation on the day of judgment.
5. Since I could not love God. I could not love others. I would have to love self because it all me brother..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I have on this very thread several times.

What is your explanation for people who are saved, sealed, have the spirit of Christ dwell in them but then sin?

are you saying you are sinless?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you trying to shield your flawed theology, half Gospel in "context," thereby dismissing God's word, which implies we shouldn't be too confident knowing there is a sin that no sacrifice covers?

There is a sin, its called unbelief.

All manner of sin and blasphemy WILL BE FORGIVEN.

You can't believe what you typed as "there is a sin that no sacrifice covers" really has nothing to do with returning to the law.

Actually yes it does. Because if God did not pay for a particual sin. then the law must cover it. There is no other option

And your characterization of Heb 10 is incorrect. The NSRV chapter heading is Christ's Sacrifice Once and for All, where the limits of that sacrifice are made explicit, there's a sin that no sacrifice covers! Meaning not even Christ's sacrifice covers certain actions on our part.

Again, Context is of the law. It is what the whole book of Hebrews is written about.

As the reader approaches v 26, the NSRV section heading is A Call to Persevere, which again, points to needed action on our part. Why is there a need for us to persevere? Read in context v 36
For you need endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what was promised

Do you not see the ongoing conditional nature of how our actions will be judged - our need to preserver and endure in doing God's will - as a prerequisite to receive the promise? We may NOT receive the promise of salvation IF we don't have endurance to act a certain way. Do you have eyes to see?

You keep on persevering and rely on that work. denying the work of Christ on the cross.

I will pray for you

 

[Stumpmaster]

What does that say about your humility?

It is the very essence of humility to admit that Christ's sacrificial death is sufficient to save us from the following:

1. The Penalty of Sin​

Christ’s once‑for‑all sacrifice removes the penalty we deserved. His death fully atones for sin and secures eternal redemption.
Verse: Romans 8:1 “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus.”
Christ’s sacrificial death removes the penalty we deserved. No condemnation remains because the penalty has been fully paid.

2. The Power of Sin​

By His single offering, Christ has perfected those being sanctified, breaking sin’s dominion over the believer’s life.
Verse: Romans 6:14 “For sin shall not have dominion over you…”
Because of Christ’s death and resurrection, sin’s power is broken. Believers are no longer under its rule.

3. The Presence of Sin​

While His sacrifice is already sufficient for all sin, its full effect will be completed when believers are finally freed from the presence of sin in glory. This flows from the same once‑for‑all atonement that covers “past, present, and future sins.”
Verse: Revelation 21:27 “Nothing that defiles shall enter [the New Jerusalem]…”
In glory, believers will be completely free from the presence of sin. Christ’s atonement guarantees this final state.

In Biblical Theology these "3 Ps" are doctrinal guarantees of the believer's Justification, Sanctification, and Glorification.

Pride prevents many from accepting these guarantees.

Heb 5:9 And being perfected, He became the Author of eternal salvation to all those who obey Him,

 

[David Lamb]

when does this happen?

after death and judgement?

thks

What do you mean by "this"? A Christian confidently knowing that they are saved because of the completed work of Christ? If that is what you meant, I would say now, not after death and judgment. John wrote to his Christian readers:

(1Jn 5:13 NKJV) These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

A sinner cannot have eternal life if they are not saved.