How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

"once your saved" you can rob banks, murder the gaurds, spend the cash on drunken revelry with whores and still be saved, die without repentance or confession and go directly to heaven?

do you believe this?

thks

 

[Wrangler]

God's intent is clearly that we have certainty that we are His children

No sir! Christ says who his real brothers are and it is conditional not certain. Milk. Meat. Not the same.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Honestly, what is wrong with you people?

Eternal Salvation is precisely what Jesus said it is.

ETERNAL!

NO ONE comes to Jesus unless the father leads them. God chooses us,we don't choose him. Jesus even told his Disciples that. He chose them. They did not choose him.

So it goes with the rest of his church. No one comes to,can come to,Jesus unless God opens their heart by his grace,installs faith,and leads them to understanding of God's will,ways,and words.

God said this all throughout the New Testament.

And those whom he calls,he will never cast out. We are eternally his. His property. Sealed by his holy spirit. It's the armor of God.

And that's why we do not wilfully sin. Because holy spirit is within us.
If we make mistakes,we know it. We repent and are forgiven.

You all argue, make absurd doctrines from your own imaginings,twist Scripture thinking that will back up your claims,and think you make sense?

If it can be lost,or labored over to keep,it isn't Salvation!

We were dead in sin before God called us. We were unable to understand the things of God before God called us into his grace. His irrevocable free gift.

And I'll tell you this,those who keep saying, we're not eternally saved. We have to labor to stay saved. We have to work to keep ourselves in God's grace. Are not just contradicting Jesus. Repeatedly. Obstinately.
You're refusing correction by Gods own words.

And you know what that shows God's church? Also,exactly what God said.

You all are unable to understand the things of God.



And we who keep trying to change that don't get it. God changes that. Not us.
Just as he said.

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

same term has different meaning!

"eternal life"

((eternal life refers to grace))

Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Jn 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

1 Jn 5:13
These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((eternal life refers to eternal salvation))

mt 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

mk 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.


((promise of eternal salvation))

mk 13:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 10:22
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

James 1:12
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Titus 1:2
In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

1 Jn 2:25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.


((union))

Ps 23:4 Thou art with me...
Isa 53:3 by His stripes (wounds) we are healed.
Jn 1:16 life of grace
Jn 10:10 life of grace
Jn 14:6 life of grace
Jn 15:1-5 abide in me...

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

1 Jn 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.


((refers to a state of grace))

Jn 15:1-5 abide in Christ
1 cor 13:2 grace
1 cor 15:1
2 cor 9:14


((grace))

grace is life of God that Christ shares with us!

2 pet 1:2-4

2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

1 John 4:8
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 cor 13:1-2

1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.

Hebrews 12:29
For our God is a consuming fire.

rom 5:5
And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

1 John 5:11
And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

Grace is Christ sharing His divine life with us!


((Abundance of grace))

Jn 10:10
rom 5:17
rom 1:7
1 cor 1:3
2 cor 1:2
gal 1:3
eph 1:2
phil 1:2
col 1:2
1 thes 1:1
2 thes 1:2
1 tim 1:2
1 tim 1:14
2 tim 1:2
titus 1:1
philemon 1:3
1 pet 1:2
2 pet 1:2
2 Jn 3


((grace bears fruit))
Lk 3:9
Jn 15:1-5
col 1:6


((Grow in grace))

2 pet 3:18 we must grow in grace

thks

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Honestly, what is wrong with you people?

Eternal Salvation is precisely what Jesus said it is.

ETERNAL!

NO ONE comes to Jesus unless the father leads them. God chooses us,we don't choose him. Jesus even told his Disciples that. He chose them. They did not choose him.

So it goes with the rest of his church. No one comes to,can come to,Jesus unless God opens their heart by his grace,installs faith,and leads them to understanding of God's will,ways,and words.

God said this all throughout the New Testament.

And those whom he calls,he will never cast out. We are eternally his. His property. Sealed by his holy spirit. It's the armor of God.

And that's why we do not wilfully sin. Because holy spirit is within us.
If we make mistakes,we know it. We repent and are forgiven.

You all argue, make absurd doctrines from your own imaginings,twist Scripture thinking that will back up your claims,and think you make sense?

If it can be lost,or labored over to keep,it isn't Salvation!

We were dead in sin before God called us. We were unable to understand the things of God before God called us a NATO his grace. His irrevocable free gift.

And I'll tell you this,those who keep saying,were not eternally saved. We have to labor to stay saved. We have to work to keep ourselves in God's grace. Are not just contradicting Jesus. Repeatedly. Obstinately.
You're refusing correction by Gods own words.

And you know what that shows God's church? Also,exactly what God said.

You all are unable to understand the things of God.



And we who keep trying to change that don't get it. God changes that. Not us.
Just as he said.

Many are called but few are chosen.

Lets not remove free will..

 

[marks]

Milk. Meat.

"meat" is when you believe the fulness of what is written. Go ahead and "save yourself" if you think you can! I'm not going down that road. I'm trusting Jesus exclusively.

Here's the condition:

John 1:12-13 KJV
12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Many people cannot allow the idea that they don't contribute something. But that doesn't change facts.

Believe, receive, and live new life.

Much love!

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

Conditional perseverance

ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 3:16 continues in believing
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus...

do you believe this verse?

...who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

and the condition?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

see any condition here?

2 cor 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God hath no union with sin!

2 Corinthians 9:8
And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

1 pet 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

gal 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
(The deeds of righteousness)

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

see any condition here?

2 cor 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God hath no union with sin!

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

rom 5 does not forbid works

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

or righteousness

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

see any condition here?

2 cor 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God hath no union with sin!

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

rom 5 does not forbid works

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

or righteousness

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

rom 5:21
That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

how does grace reign through righteousness?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

1 Jn 1:6-7

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

see any condition here?

2 cor 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

God hath no union with sin!

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

rom 5 does not forbid works

1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

or righteousness

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

What does it mean?

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

what does "possess your souls" mean?

mt 5:8
the pure of heart shall see God.

what does "shall see God" mean?

mt 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

what does "rest unto your souls" mean?

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

what does this mean?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

there must be deeds of righteousness to be fruits of righteousness!


Lk 3:8-9

Jn 15:1-6

Philippians 1:11
Being filled with the fruits ofrighteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise ofGod.

Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 Jn 3:15 1
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise


Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks

 

[Wrangler]

"meat" is when you believe the fulness of what is written.

Exactly, and you are denying Jesus didn't die on a cross so you can sin with impunity. Faith requires action. Lip service will not breach the gates of heaven.

Go ahead and "save yourself" if you think you can!

I never said anything like that - and I think even you know that.

 

[faithhopecharity]

That question is a dishonest diversion. No, Paul is not my Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ is. But the words of Paul are inspired Scripture, and you do not honor Christ by pitting His words against the apostle He appointed. Peter called Paul’s writings “scriptures” and warned that the unstable twist them “unto their own destruction” ~2 Peter 3:15-16.

You still have not answered Romans 4:5: “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.” Mocking Paul, changing the subject, and shouting “IF” do not erase what God plainly said.

You also misrepresented my position. I never said believers are justified “no matter what we do.” Scripture teaches that those truly born of God follow Christ and bear fruit. The issue is whether obedience is the evidence of salvation or the price paid to keep it. Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28. He did not say His sheep repeatedly save themselves by remaining worthy.

John 15 does not teach that works preserve justification. Branches bear fruit because they abide in the vine. Fruit proves life; it does not create or purchase life. Apart from Christ we can do nothing, but that does not mean Christ does half the saving while man completes the rest.

Hebrews 10:26 is not teaching that every deliberate sin cancels Christ’s justification. The context concerns those who reject Christ’s one sacrifice and turn away from the truth. There remains no other sacrifice because Christ is the only sacrifice. The same chapter says, “By one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

You are not refuting eternal security. You are attacking a straw man while refusing to face the verses that say believers have eternal life, shall not come into condemnation, and shall never perish ~John 5:24; 10:28. Stop twisting warning passages into a gospel of temporary justification. “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6.

there must be deeds of righteousness to be fruits of righteousness!


Lk 3:8-9

Jn 15:1-6



Acts 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

1 Jn 3:15 1
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise


Hebrews 5:9
And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Romans 2:7
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

thks

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

J 15:1-11

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

if we could bear fruit without union in Christ there would be no need for this warning!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

whats this mean?

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace issufficient for thee: for my strength ismade perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You have not corrected the contradiction. You have only hidden works behind the word “grace.” You say justification is free, but only “initial,” then claim it must be preserved through obedience and can be lost through sin. Scripture never teaches temporary justification or justification maintained by good works.

Paul says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God” ~Romans 5:1. He also says, “Being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him” ~Romans 5:9. The believer’s standing rests upon Christ’s blood, not upon whether he performs enough grace-enabled works afterward.

Galatians 5:4 does not teach that believers lose grace by committing a so-called “deadly sin.” Paul identifies those who have fallen from grace: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” The warning is against seeking justification through works, which is exactly where your argument leads.

Romans 2:7 does not prove that eternal life is earned by patient continuance in good works. Paul’s conclusion is that no one meets God’s righteous standard: “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. That is why sinners must be “justified freely by his grace” ~Romans 3:24.

You say believers do not have eternal salvation, but Jesus says, “He that believeth on me hath everlasting life” ~John 6:47. He also says the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation” ~John 5:24, and, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” ~John 10:28.

Good works are the evidence of salvation, not the means of preserving justification. Calling works “grace-enabled” does not make them part of the gospel, because Paul says, “If by grace, then is it no more of works” ~Romans 11:6. Christ does not begin salvation and wait for man to finish it. “He is able also to save them to the uttermost” ~Hebrews 7:25.

gal 5:4 has to do with works of the law

I only mention it cos it proves that we can lose the of God

there are many kinds of works

kinds of works

((unfruitful works))

(works of the law)

Refer to the works of the mosaic covenant

(works of the flesh)

Listed in Gal 5:19-21 & Eph 5:3-5
these cause the loss of grace and the bar us from salvation in the kingdom of God. the unfruitful works of darkness

Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. eph 5:6

(dead works) or (works alone) or (natural works)

Works that are good in and of themselves but are not in union with Christ and grace and have power to accomplish perseverance unto eternal salvation! unfruitful works

Apart from Christ: NOTHING! Jn 15:5

((fruitful works))

Living works or deeds of rightousness!

(living works) (faith & works)

Supernatural good works (gifts of God) accomplished in union with Christ and empowered by His grace with perseverance to the end of our life unto eternal salvation!

fruitful works! Lk 3:9 Jn 15:5 bear fruit

2 cor 9: And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:

With Christ & empowered by grace:
I CAN DO ALL THINGS! Phil 4:13

1 John 3:10
In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Living works:
1 pet 2:15-16 good works
1 pet 2:20 acceptable to God
1 pet 2:21-22 suffer as Christ suffered

righteousness implies & requires acts (volition) of righteousness
just deeds unto faithfulness in the new covenant!
mt 3:15
mt 10:22
mt 25
mt 6:33
mt 7:7
mt 26:41
mt 7:14
Lk 1:75
acts 10:35
rom 3:21
rom 5:21
rom 6:18
1 tim 6:11
1 tim 2:22
2 tim 3:16
heb 11:33
2 pet 2:21
1 Jn 2:29
1 Jn 3:7
1 pet 2:24



mt 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. (Practices)

Luke 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
(acts / deeds)

Romans 6:13
Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: (works of the flesh) but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:16
Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, (works of the flesh) or of obedience unto righteousness? (living works of righteousness)

Romans 6:19
I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; (works of the flesh) even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. (living works of righteousness)

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (living works of righteousness)

1 tim 6: 11-14

11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;

14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
(Living works of righteousness)

thks

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I'm 100% confident.

It is so because the king of Heaven humbled himself to be born as a human Jewish male on Earth first. He preached his Good News,and then died to finish the old covenant on the cross and give eternal life to the new.
I am blessed and humbled by the fact he felt me worthy to call to himself.

So that I may have faith in him and rest in his assurance I am indwelt by his spirit and eternally sealed by his promise as a new reborn creation in him.

Thank you Jesus. Hallelujah!

Amen! DOUBLE Hallelujah! There IS So Much Preserved Biblical Evidence Provided By God
our ETERNAL Saviour and LORD!!! Praise HIM Now And For Ever And EVER!! Amen!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance

TOTAL Confidence, eh?
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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Many are called but few are chosen.

Lets not remove free will..

You misunderstand that text.

God removed free will. Because it isn't at all a factor in coming into God's grace by God's will.

 

[Wrangler]

there must be deeds of righteousness to be fruits of righteousness!

The logic is so obvious, even a OSAS can see it. There must be deeds of righteousness to be fruits of righteousness!