How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[RLT63]

What is important is this:

You misquoted Ephesians and failed to read its context opting to place your fallen angel theology over the text.

Ephesians 4:14
Paul warns the ecclesia not to be misled by deceptive teachers: “So that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.”

Ephesians 5:6 A direct warning about false words and empty teaching: “Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.”

3. Ephesians 6:11–12 Paul warns about “schemes” that oppose the believers this includes false teaching: “Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil.(false accusers)”

By your own hand, you declared that the word devil means “false accuser,” and the very letters of that word describe those who, through human cunning and deceit, seek to mislead others in the same way you yourself were once deceived.

Let's see if this is a consistent message RLT?

Matthew 16:23 But he turned and said to Peter, “Get behind me, Satan! You are a hindrance to me; for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of man.”

Well, what do you know RLT - there it is again! Adversary here is being interpreted for you as the "things of man" and not some supernatural fallen angel.

This discussion has not gone well for you - it started in Ezekial 28 and you learned all about God's lament toward the King of Tyre and now you have learned about the context of Ephesians and who precisely Paul had in mind in Chapter 6:11-12.

There is still a lot of ground to cover before that dreaded doctrine is totally removed from you though!

I didn't misquote anything. I get Bible verses from Blue Letter Bible
The only thing I have learned from you is that you try to interject your own beliefs into the scriptures.

 

[GodsGrace]

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the Lord, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:18
Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9
There is none holy like the Lord: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God. 1st Samuel 2:2
Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22
That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60
There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20
I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

The above is correct...
there is only One God.

By whom does the NT state that everything was created?


Colossians 1:16
16 For by Him all things were created, [Jesus] both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -all things have been created through Him and for Him. [Jesus]

 

[Hiddenthings]

I didn't misquote anything. I get Bible verses from Blue Letter Bible
The only thing I have learned from you is that you try to interject your own beliefs into the scriptures.

The evidence is already before anyone who is willing to see. Each time I’ve asked if you understand the context of a verse or passage, the truth has been revealed. Do not choose ignorance, RLT, choose the light and embrace the truth.

 

[RLT63]

The evidence is already before anyone who is willing to see. Each time I’ve asked if you understand the context of a verse or passage, the truth has been revealed. Do not choose ignorance, RLT, choose the light and embrace the truth.

“Luke, I am your father “

 

[RLT63]

The evidence is already before anyone who is willing to see. Each time I’ve asked if you understand the context of a verse or passage, the truth has been revealed. Do not choose ignorance, RLT, choose the light and embrace the truth.

Mat 4:8 - Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 - And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mat 4:11 - Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

 

[Grailhunter]

The above is correct...
there is only One God.

By whom does the NT state that everything was created?


Colossians 1:16
16 For by Him all things were created, [Jesus] both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -all things have been created through Him and for Him. [Jesus]

That is the point, the Old Testament says there is only one God and and no other and He created everything….that one God is Yahweh.

In the New Testament we have Yahweh the Father that is a God and Yeshua the Son that is a God and the Holy Spirit that is a God, three Gods and in the New Testament it is said that Yeshua created things.

So there you have it. It says what it says…..Now is it a discrepancy? Is there an answer? Yeshua is said to create things but He does not show up in the Old Testament…..not as a God, not as a name, not as the Son of God. And Yahweh says He is the only God.

Keep in mind that when you read the word God or Lord that was actually the word Yahweh. They took the singular personal out of the Old Testament.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Mat 4:8 - Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 - And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Mat 4:10 - Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Mat 4:11 - Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

You have come full circle in your search to grasp the nature of your own creature. What you now possess is yours to pursue, to test and discern whether your understanding is indeed the truth. You have shown you have the tools - use them!

 

[soberxp]

I would add that Jesus is the creator of all things and the Father said, "All things were created through Jesus."
What a dilemma for watchtower followers. Because now we have Jesus creating himself, since they declare Jesus is a created being.

All things were created through word of God, Jesus Christ is the word of God.

Not Jesus Christ created all things.

But The process of creation is aimed at and oriented towards Jesus Christ.

You can't only quote one verse to prove some things.

The process of salvation is to transform the rebellious state of humanity back to its original state. God made man in his own image.


Jesus Christ is the image of God, so All things were created through Jesus.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus Christ is the image of God, so All things were created through Jesus.

Jesus cannot be that which is being imaged - it's a truth some struggle to comprehend.

 

[soberxp]

Jesus cannot be that which is being imaged - it's a truth some struggle to comprehend.

You were merely exposed to a wrong idea beforehand, and once enough people believed it, you came to think it was correct.

This is herd mentality, not the truth.

This is somewhat like taking the name of God in vain. God's purpose is the word of God.

Not you only believe in the name of God in vain.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You were merely exposed to a wrong idea beforehand, and once enough people believed it, you came to think it was correct.

This is herd mentality, not the truth.

This is somewhat like taking the name of God in vain. God's purpose is the word of God.

Not you only believe in the name of God in vain.

All things were created with Jesus in mind (Logos)

Some break away from the herd to be found of him.

 

[soberxp]

All things were created with Jesus in mind (Logos)

Some break away from the herd to be found of him.

His name,called the word of God be with man.

Not logos be with man.

Word of God.


Not logos of God...

 

[Hiddenthings]

His name,called the word of God be with man.

Not logos be with man.

Word of God.


Not logos of God...

Logos and Word are the same. Yahweh's Word has become many things....!

 

[soberxp]

Logos and Word are the same. Yahweh's Word has become many things....!

Not the same.....

If your word is word......

Logos is logos.

The Bible didn't use the logos but the word.

This is the way of English.

In Chinese the word is road of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@soberxp

Acts 20:32 “And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word (λόγος) of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.”

Do you understand?

The doctrine of salvation is revealed through the works and deeds of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. The Scriptures stand as Yahweh’s inexhaustible treasury, from which divine wisdom is drawn to meet and overcome the perilous challenges of our times. Logos is God's Divine expression manifested in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It's a beautiful expression to those with understanding.

 

[soberxp]

@soberxp

Acts 20:32 “And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word (λόγος) of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.”

Do you understand?

The doctrine of salvation is revealed through the works and deeds of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh. The Scriptures stand as Yahweh’s inexhaustible treasury, from which divine wisdom is drawn to meet and overcome the perilous challenges of our times. Logos is God's Divine expression manifested in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

It's a beautiful expression to those with understanding.

I don't want to use the logos,
If the word in the Bible is the word.
Road of God.
Word of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I don't want to use the logos,
If the word in the Bible is the word.
Road of God.
Word of God.

Revelation 6:9 ​

“I saw under the altar the souls (lives) of them that were slain for the word (λόγος) of God, and for the testimony which they held.” ​

This refers to the martyr-saints, who gave their lives for the logos of God.​

The testimony is the Logos Word of God.

 

[soberxp]

Revelation 6:9 ​

“I saw under the altar the souls (lives) of them that were slain for the word (λόγος) of God, and for the testimony which they held.” ​

This refers to the martyr-saints, who gave their lives for the logos of God.​

The testimony is the Logos Word of God.

This is not something that belongs to the realm of thinkers. God does not impart his thought patterns to us, and we cannot truly understand the way God thinks.

God teaches us the word of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

This is not something that belongs to the realm of thinkers. God does not impart his thought patterns to us, and we cannot truly understand the way God thinks.

God teaches us the word of God.

The testimony (Logos) was understood by those who died for it.

 

[HealthyShape]

You're so enmeshed in falsehood you can't see what the shield is even actually saying in its imagery.

When you defend a man made doctrine that counters God,you haven't corrected those who know the truth. You're defending falsehood.

You should read the article I linked. The historic evidence might open your eyes.
The Bible never speaks about one triune God consisting of three co-equal Gods of Father, Son and Holy Spirit

Trinity is not about three co-equal Gods. Stop talking nonsense and learn what Trinity means.