How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[Hiddenthings]

Trinity is not about three co-equal Gods. Stop talking nonsense and learn what Trinity means.

It's a mystery by those who are skilled in its dogma - its unknowable and anyone who states otherwise knows little of it.

 

[St. SteVen]

In Chinese the word is road of God.

I rather like that.
Road/Roadmap/Navigation/Trip Planning

- In the beginning was the Road... (the way to the destination)
- In the beginning was the Roadmap... (the specific route)
- In the beginning was the Navigation... (the best way to get to the destination)
- In the beginning was the Trip Planning... (best way to reach the destination while enjoying stops along the way)

- The Road became flesh and dwelt among us...

 

[GodsGrace]

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
For thus says the Lord, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the Lord, and there is no other. Isaiah 45:18
Remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, Isaiah 46:9
There is none holy like the Lord: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God. 1st Samuel 2:2
Therefore you are great, O Lord God. For there is none like you, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 2nd Samuel 7:22
That all the peoples of the earth may know that the Lord is God; there is no other. 1st Kings 8:60
There is none like you, O Lord, and there is no God besides you, according to all that we have heard with our ears. 1st Chronicles 17:20
I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5

Right.
But you haven't replied to the fact that it is JESUS that actually created everything.

No one is arguing the fact that there is only one God.

It is YOU that have proferred 3 gods...not the Christian faith.

Explain HOW MANY Persons are present in the following:

Exodus 3:2-4
2 The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.
3 So Moses said, "I must turn aside now and see this marvelous sight, why the bush is not burned up."
4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, "Moses, Moses!" And he said, "Here I am."

I see 2 Persons above:
the angel of the LORD (Yahweh)
the LORD or GOD (Yahweh)

Is the angel Jesus?


Isaiah 63:9
9In all their distress He was distressed, And the angel of His presence saved them; In His love and in His mercy He redeemed them, And He lifted them and carried them all the days of old.


Who is the Savior?
Who is the redeemer?

It is commonly accepted that Isaiah 63:9 is referring to the second Person of the Trinity...Jesus.
(a foreshadowing).

 

[GodsGrace]

I rather like that.
Road/Roadmap/Navigation/Trip Planning

- In the beginning was the Road... (the way to the destination)
- In the beginning was the Roadmap... (the specific route)
- In the beginning was the Navigation... (the best way to get to the destination)
- In the beginning was the Trip Planning... (best way to reach the destination while enjoying stops along the way)

- The Road became flesh and dwelt among us...

How about:
Jesus is the WAY.....John 14:6
The Way
La Via
The Road

 

[Lambano]

See also Acts 9:2 in almost any translation except KJV.

 

[St. SteVen]

See also Acts 9:2 in almost any translation except KJV.

Let's check it out.
Nice. Good find!

In the beginning was the Way...
The Way became flesh...

Acts 9:2 NIV
and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus,
so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way,
whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.

 

[Lambano]

Not the same.....

If your word is word......

Logos is logos.

The Bible didn't use the logos but the word.

This is the way of English.

In Chinese the word is road of God.

I take the position that ὁ λόγος in John 1:1ff should be directly transliterated as "The Logos" in English bibles rather than translated as "The Word". In Greek philosophy, "The Logos" is the power of God that creates and sustains and orders the Kosmos. In the Hebrew bible, this is analogous to the "Wisdom" (חָכְמָה, "Chokmah") of God personified in Proverbs 8.

For those who would contend that John would think and express himself in Jewish categories rather than Greek ones, I point out that John's Jewish contemporary Philo of Alexandria made the same connection between Logos and Chokmah. I would also point out that internal evidence within the Gospel of John points to the author having a ghost writer (a Holy Ghost writer) who was fluent in Greek to help him write to a Greek audience. The Gospel is written in polished Greek, it always refers to the Beloved Disciple in the third person, and John 21:22-24 strongly implies that the Beloved Disciple was dead at the time the Postscript of John was written.

 

[Lambano]

In the beginning was the Way...
The Way became flesh...

The Way becomes flesh when we walk in it.

 

[Grailhunter]

How about:
Jesus is the WAY.....John 14:6
The Way
La Via
The Road

I answered it all in posts 1239 and 1246
The Old Testament shows one God
And the New Testament show three Gods
God the Father is God Almighty and the creator God.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, Yahweh created the heavens and the earth.
When they took God the Father's name out of the Old Testament and replaced it with God they changed the meaning of things. The word God in the Old Testament very seldom refers to Yahweh because it is a generic term and the Hebrew word for God is the same for God or god and generally refers to Pagan gods.

 

[HealthyShape]

And the New Testament show three Gods

It never does that. It identifies three persons of the Trinity as God, but never uses plural - "Gods".

 

[Grailhunter]

It never does that. It identifies three persons of the Trinity as God, but never uses plural - "Gods".

 

[Grailhunter]

It never does that. It identifies three persons of the Trinity as God, but never uses plural - "Gods".

There are a lot of words that are not in the Bible…..like the word Trinity is not in the Bible. The three in one formula for the Trinity is not biblical.

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

 

[HealthyShape]

There are a lot of words that are not in the Bible…..like the word Trinity is not in the Bible. The three in one formula for the Trinity is not biblical.

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

You claimed - "And the New Testament show three Gods".

No, it never does that. It always shows God (the true one, not false ones) as singular. Trinity is a solution to the problem that there is only one God, but The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all called "God" (never Gods).

 

[Grailhunter]

You claimed - "And the New Testament show three Gods".

No, it never does that. It always shows God (the true one, not false ones) as singular. Trinity is a solution to the problem that there is only one God, but The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are all called "God" (never Gods).

Now you are just getting silly. I know you can count. God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in the New Testament. The three in one concept did not exist until the Catholic Church made it a doctrine in the 4th century. And killed anyone that did not agree with it. The three in one formula for the Trinity was produced to stop arguments about the three Gods. Now if you pretend that you cannot count I will not respond to you.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Trinity is not about three co-equal Gods. Stop talking nonsense and learn what Trinity means.

Stop being blinded by paganism.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

It never does that. It identifies three persons of the Trinity as God, but never uses plural - "Gods".

You really can think beyond the icons.

When you can,you shall know the truth. That you were wrong,before.

 

[GodsGrace]

I answered it all in posts 1239 and 1246
The Old Testament shows one God
And the New Testament show three Gods
God the Father is God Almighty and the creator God.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, Yahweh created the heavens and the earth.
When they took God the Father's name out of the Old Testament and replaced it with God they changed the meaning of things. The word God in the Old Testament very seldom refers to Yahweh because it is a generic term and the Hebrew word for God is the same for God or god and generally refers to Pagan gods.

Elohim can refer to gods.
LORD refers to God Father the Creator.
Lord refers to Jesus.

Jesus is all over the OT.
No response to Exodus 3:2-4 ?

Who is Isaiah 53 speaking of?

The writer of Hebrews states that Jesus was existing already at the time of Moses.

Hebrews 11:26 re Moses
26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward.

 

[Grailhunter]

Elohim can refer to gods.

But Yahweh says there is one God in the Old Testament. Then in the New Testament Yahweh begot a Son.

No response to Exodus 3:2-4 ?

Yeshua is not an angel.

Who is Isaiah 53 speaking of?

What part of Isaiah 53?

Hebrews 11:26 re Moses
26 considering the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures of Egypt; for he was looking to the reward.

New Testament.

 

[GodsGrace]

Now you are just getting silly. I know you can count. God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are in the New Testament. The three in one concept did not exist until the Catholic Church made it a doctrine in the 4th century. And killed anyone that did not agree with it. The three in one formula for the Trinity was produced to stop arguments about the three Gods. Now if you pretend that you cannot count I will not respond to you.

The CC did not invent anything that was not found in the bible...at least in the first few hundred years.

Here is what the early church taught:

Polycarp (AD 69-155) was the bishop at the church in Smyrna. Irenaeus tells us Polycarp was a disciple of John the Apostle. In his Letter to the Philippians he says,

Now may the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, and the eternal high priest himself, the Son of God Jesus Christ, build you up in faith and truth...and to us with you, and to all those under heaven who will yet believe in our Lord and God Jesus Christ and in his Father who raised him from the dead.1

Ignatius (AD 50-117) was the bishop at the church in Antioch and also a disciple of John the Apostle. He wrote a series of letters to various churches on his way to Rome, where he was to be martyred. He writes,

Ignatius, who is also Theophorus, unto her which hath been blessed in greatness through the plentitude of God the Father; which hath been foreordained before the ages to be for ever unto abiding and unchangeable glory, united and elect in a true passion, by the will of the Father and of Jesus Christ our God; even unto the church which is in Ephesus [of Asia], worthy of all felicitation: abundant greeting in Christ Jesus and in blameless joy.2

Being as you are imitators of God, once you took on new life through the blood of God you completed perfectly the task so natural to you.3

For our God, Jesus the Christ, was conceived by Mary according to God’s plan, both from the seed of David and of the Holy Spirit.5

Consequently all magic and every kind of spell were dissolved, the ignorance so characteristic of wickedness vanished, and the ancient kingdom was abolished when God appeared in human form to bring the newness of eternal life.6



Justin Martyr (AD 100-165) was an Christian apologist of the second century.

And that Christ being Lord, and God the Son of God, and appearing formerly in power as Man, and Angel, and in the glory of fire as at the bush, so also was manifested at the judgment executed on Sodom, has been demonstrated fully by what has been said.10

[Justin Martyr even mentions the Burning Bush,,which I've mentioned to you]

Therefore these words testify explicitly that He [Jesus] is witnessed to by Him [the Father] who established these things, as deserving to be worshipped, as God and as Christ.12




There's much more:

source: Nine Early Church Fathers Who Taught Jesus Is God


Jesus was accepted as being God from the very beginning.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Show me this verse in Hebrews....

Heb 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Phil 2
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;