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How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.
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2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The world here in this scripture cannot possibly mean everyone without exception, or every individual without exception as the False teachers tell us , simply because this world is comprised of all individuals who do not have any sins imputed or charged to them ! Everyone in this world meets the criteria of being this Man Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. And that equates to reconciliation according to 2 Cor 5:19;
But we know this blessing does not apply to all without exception, because by other scripture we are informed of those who do have their sins charged to them Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Which makes it impossible for any of those to be any of that World in 2 Cor 5:19, who had no sins charged or imputed to them, how is it therefore even remotely possible for them to die in their sins ? To be more clear on this matter, the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved World because its reconciled Rom 11:11-12,15
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The reconciling of the world here in Vs 15 is the same as "Salvation is come to the Gentiles" in Vs 11 !
It actually means it [Salvation has come in the application of it] by the Spirit.
Reconciliation by Christ is Twofold, it Reconciled God to man and it reconciles man to God !
So the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved, reconciled world and 2 Cor 5:20 is a Call to Faith in the Truth of what has already occurred ! Faith cometh by Hearing the Word of Truth, and everyone who has been Reconciled to God, will hear the Truth of it, the Gospel of their Salvation !
So there is no way possible to equate the World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ! 8
2 Cor 5:19
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
The world here in this scripture cannot possibly mean everyone without exception, or every individual without exception as the False teachers tell us , simply because this world is comprised of all individuals who do not have any sins imputed or charged to them ! Everyone in this world meets the criteria of being this Man Rom 4:8
Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin. And that equates to reconciliation according to 2 Cor 5:19;
But we know this blessing does not apply to all without exception, because by other scripture we are informed of those who do have their sins charged to them Jn 8:24
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
Which makes it impossible for any of those to be any of that World in 2 Cor 5:19, who had no sins charged or imputed to them, how is it therefore even remotely possible for them to die in their sins ? To be more clear on this matter, the reconciled world in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved World because its reconciled Rom 11:11-12,15
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
The reconciling of the world here in Vs 15 is the same as "Salvation is come to the Gentiles" in Vs 11 !
It actually means it [Salvation has come in the application of it] by the Spirit.
Reconciliation by Christ is Twofold, it Reconciled God to man and it reconciles man to God !
So the World in 2 Cor 5:19 is a Saved, reconciled world and 2 Cor 5:20 is a Call to Faith in the Truth of what has already occurred ! Faith cometh by Hearing the Word of Truth, and everyone who has been Reconciled to God, will hear the Truth of it, the Gospel of their Salvation !
So there is no way possible to equate the World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 ! 8
Your Calvinist religion is in conflict with the Bible. Worse yet it is also in conflict with the English language. Words like "World" "Whosoever" "All" "Everyone" "Anyone" are a stumbling block for you.
So there is no way possible to equate the reconciled World in 2 Cor 5:19 with the Unbelievers and them who shall die in their sins Jn 8:24 !
Jesus owns all of humanity because he has atoned for everyone's sins, Hebrews 2:9. All of humanity has been reconciled unto God, "God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:19. You are not able to believe that. The reason that I know that it is true is because Jesus is in heaven at the right hand of God as, "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. All sin has been atoned for, every jot and tittle of the law has been fulfilled. Jesus is Lord and he Lord of all.
Before I am accused of being a universalist let me say this, Nothing, absolutely nothing is ours until it is received by faith. If you don't receive the reconciliation, then you will be lost.
The world in 2 Cor 5:19 is the elect, its the world that is sin free before God, God doesnt charge it with its sins. Nobody, not one individual of that world can die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 Its not possible.
There appears to be a contradiction in the Bible, but is there one?
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son" John 3:16. And then John tells us, "And he is a propitiation for our sins: and not ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world" 1 John 2:2.
Are there two different worlds? The world of 1 Corinthians 11:31 that we should not be condemned with, or the world that Jesus shed his blood for. No, there is only one world. The world that we should not be condemned with is the world of unbelievers. The world that Jesus died for is the world of believers and unbelievers. "God so loved the (WHOLE) world. The world of believers and unbelievers.
All sin has been atoned for. If Jesus did not atone for all sin, then Jesus would not be sitting in heaven as... "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16.
No one Christ died for is condemned, its impossible, they arent condemned by God Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
You are against the Gospel of Jesus Christ and justification by faith.
Because you believe what you do, you will never see heaven.
Its you who corrupt the word of God, deny the reconciling death of Gods Elect,
No one Christ died for is condemned, its impossible, they arent condemned by God Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world and is the savior of the whole world, "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved" John 3:17. Salvation has been provided for everyone, but nothing is ours until it is received, Hebrews 2:9.
No one Christ died for is condemned, its impossible, they arent condemned by God Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
You are pulling scripture out of context.
Romans 8:32 says, "He that spared not his Son, but deliver him up FOR ALL OF US how shall he not give us freely all things".
Your Calvinist God is a failure. He only atones for some sins, but not all sins, which means that he is not Lord.
No one Christ died for is condemned, its impossible, they arent condemned by God Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Receiving the atonement or reconciliation !
Rom 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Many today in organized apostate religion, ignorant are they to the Merits of Christ Saving / Atoning Death, but yet would tell us that they do believe in Christ's Saving, Atoning, Reconciling Death, but then will tell us that millions for whom Christ died, reconciled to God, will yet some how die in Unbelief and in their sins Jn 8:24 and spend eternity in separation from God, so much for Christ's Atoning Death wouldn't you say ?
This scripture is very informative, because it makes a declaration, and that is, those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son in the previous verse Rom 5:10 while they were being enemies, they also BY HIM, the prep DIA is used, receive the Reconciliation or Atonement !
The word atonement in the greek is the word katallagē :
I.
exchange
A.
of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values
II.
adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour
Its translated reconciliation
Now Christ causes them to receive it, He bestows it upon them, or He quickens them into an vital and living experience of it, its being saved by His Life.
You see, if Christ's death is an atoning death, it must atone both parties to one another. If His Death reconciled God to them, but yet left them unreconciled to God, then His Death was not an Atoning Death, if He only reconciled God to man, and neglected to reconcile man to God, what good is that ? Was His work perfect and complete ? No it would not have been, but He did also reconcile men to God, men who were enemies to Him in their mind by wicked works, He reconciled them to God Col 1:21-22
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Thats how they received it BY HIM, not by their freewill, but through Christ ! 8
Rom 5:10-11
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
Many today in organized apostate religion, ignorant are they to the Merits of Christ Saving / Atoning Death, but yet would tell us that they do believe in Christ's Saving, Atoning, Reconciling Death, but then will tell us that millions for whom Christ died, reconciled to God, will yet some how die in Unbelief and in their sins Jn 8:24 and spend eternity in separation from God, so much for Christ's Atoning Death wouldn't you say ?
This scripture is very informative, because it makes a declaration, and that is, those reconciled to God by the Death of His Son in the previous verse Rom 5:10 while they were being enemies, they also BY HIM, the prep DIA is used, receive the Reconciliation or Atonement !
The word atonement in the greek is the word katallagē :
I.
exchange
A.
of the business of money changers, exchanging equivalent values
II.
adjustment of a difference, reconciliation, restoration to favour
Its translated reconciliation
Now Christ causes them to receive it, He bestows it upon them, or He quickens them into an vital and living experience of it, its being saved by His Life.
You see, if Christ's death is an atoning death, it must atone both parties to one another. If His Death reconciled God to them, but yet left them unreconciled to God, then His Death was not an Atoning Death, if He only reconciled God to man, and neglected to reconcile man to God, what good is that ? Was His work perfect and complete ? No it would not have been, but He did also reconcile men to God, men who were enemies to Him in their mind by wicked works, He reconciled them to God Col 1:21-22
And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
Thats how they received it BY HIM, not by their freewill, but through Christ ! 8
You believe that the Bible is full of contradictions. This is why you don't believe it.
Your Calvinist God is an unmerciful, unjust tyrant that delights in sending people to hell.
There is nothing absolutely nothing in the Bible about Your Calvinist God. He came out of the perverted mind of John Calvin who was a terrorist.
You Calvinist doctrine is anti-Gospel, anti-Bible, anti-Christ, anti-God and is the doctrine of demons.
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