How Jesus has ALREADY Reconciled Us and the World unto God.

[Robert Pate]

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

"For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law till all be fulfilled" Matthew 5:18.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, past, present and future.

"But God commended his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

If you listen to the Catholic church and other religions, it is up to us to reconcile ourselves unto God. The reason that we cannot reconcile ourselves unto God by works and obedience to the law is because God does not accept the works and the obedience of sinners. God only accepts the works and the obedience of Jesus Christ; we are accepted only in him and because of him.

Paul: "That I might be found in him, not having my own righteousness, which is of the law (religion) but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith" Philippians 3:9.

Jesus is God's reconciler, Romans 3:26. Not the Catholic church. If you want to be saved and reconciled unto God, you will have to accept God's offer of reconciliation that has been provided by Jesus Christ. There is no other way.

"Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God. "All things are of God, who has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and has given unto us (Christians) the ministry of reconciliation" 2 Corinthians 5:18.

"Now then we (Christians) are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be reconciled unto God" 2 Corinthians 5:20.

 

[Randy Kluth]

There is some truth in this, but it is otherwise quite misrepresenting the predestined plan of God from before the foundation of the earth. What the Scriptures are talking about, with respect to this Predestination, is the fact that Christ himself preexisted the earth as God, and as His Word.

He had just not yet been revealed in the form of a man. But his righteousness preexisted his humanity, since God's righteousness for Himself and for Man has existed from eternity, for as long as God has existed, which is forever.

To say that God's word has predetermined that Man will succeed, despite his Fall, leads one either to Universalism or to Fatalism. Either everybody will get saved, Christian or not, or those who are saved are saved whether they choose to be saved or not. Neither of these options is accurate.

God's word did determine that *some* of mankind must be saved, specifically those who participate in the plan of God's righteousness, as well as in His plan of redemption. But clearly, God made participation a matter of human choice, and not Determinism.

To *choose* for Salvation is not what some are calling "Works." They are worried about giving men any role at all in their own Salvation.

But choosing for Salvation is not *earning* one's own Salvation. Rather, it is *accepting* the righteousness that God has preplanned for Mankind. And it is choosing to therefore participate in righteousness that preexisted in God, and only comes into themselves by that choice, and not by their *earning* it.

I'm surprised that anybody thinks a choice to receive the free gift of Righteousness is *earning* it! It is merely embracing something that they could not have if they did not first accept it.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

This is not true Robert, "Everyone is ALREADY born saved." (OP)
Romans 3:23-24
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS:
To claim such as you did above is universalism and goes against the very plain word of God.

Jesus paid the price for everyone TO BE SAVED !
It is not God's will that any should perish, therefore he came in the flesh, born of man that he might be OUR PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

We however are born in sin away from God and we must hear the word, believe in our hearts and accept the gift of salvation Jesus purchased with his death to reconcile us unto the Father.

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

If one is going to undertake to enlighten others on what God says it must be in order by his word.

 

[Robert Pate]

This is not true Robert, "Everyone is ALREADY born saved." (OP)
Romans 3:23-24
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS:
To claim such as you did above is universalism and goes against the very plain word of God.

Jesus paid the price for everyone TO BE SAVED !
It is not God's will that any should perish, therefore he came in the flesh, born of man that he might be OUR PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

We however are born in sin away from God and we must hear the word, believe in our hearts and accept the gift of salvation Jesus purchased with his death to reconcile us unto the Father.

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

If one is going to undertake to enlighten others on what God says it must be in order by his word.

Before we ever come into the world salvation has ALREADY been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. All that is required is that we receive what God has ALREADY provided for us in Jesus Christ. If you are a child that died before you ever heard about Jesus, then you are saved. Therefore, everyone is born saved. If you grow up and reject Christ, then you are lost.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Before we ever come into the world salvation has ALREADY been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. All that is required is that we receive what God has ALREADY provided for us in Jesus Christ. If you are a child that died before you ever heard about Jesus, then you are saved. Therefore, everyone is born saved. If you grow up and reject Christ, then you are lost.

Maybe a better wording was in order. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Yes I agree he died for all, even those not yet born many years from his D,B,& R.
All that is left is the hearing of the word, believing, repenting and acceptance of the gift of salvation.

How are you feeling, am still praying for God's will for your life.

 

[Robert Pate]

Maybe a better wording was in order. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Yes I agree he died for all, even those not yet born many years from his D,B,& R.
All that is left is the hearing of the word, believing, repenting and acceptance of the gift of salvation.

How are you feeling, am still praying for God's will for your life.

It is very easy to have misunderstandings on a Christian forum.

Thank you for praying for me. I can only sit in front of this computer for short periods of time. My surgery is scheduled for the 14th.

 

[brightfame52]

@Robert Pate

Before we were born Jesus had ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.

Everyone is ALREADY born saved. Jesus in our name and on our behalf has ALREADY fulfilled every jot and tittle of the law.

"For verily I say unto you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law till all be fulfilled" Matthew 5:18.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has ALREADY atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, past, present and future.

"But God commended his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" Romans 5:8.

All this is true however what the poster failed to mention, the world here is the Elect of God, or the Church of Christ, its not all without exception, for we know all without exception are saved and reconciled to God.

 

[Robert Pate]

@Robert Pate



All this is true however what the poster failed to mention, the world here is the Elect of God, or the Church of Christ, its not all without exception, for we know all without exception are saved and reconciled to God.

You are in error.

The whole world has been reconciled unto God by the doing and the dying of Jesus. You are in denial of the fact that all sin has been atoned for. The scripture does not say "Elect of God" It says that Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 1:17. This means that Jesus has defeated sin, death and the devil and now heaven as "The king of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven and made him the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords that was the completion of our salvation. We are complete in him, Colossians 2:10.

It sounds to me like you are a Calvinist. No one is Chosen or elected to be saved. The scripture say that God is no respecter of anyone's person, Acts 10:35. We are all saved the same way, By grace (God's goodness) through faith. We who are saved have confidence that Jesus has defeated sin, death and that devil and that he is Lord. Those that are not saved do not have this confidence in him. Many believe that God has chosen some to be saved and then damns the rest to hell. If this is what you believe God does, then you are in serious trouble.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

It is very easy to have misunderstandings on a Christian forum.

Thank you for praying for me. I can only sit in front of this computer for short periods of time. My surgery is scheduled for the 14th.

Praying all went well during surgery and a speedy recovery of good health.
God is always in control of his will.

 

[Robert Pate]

Praying all went well during surgery and a speedy recovery of good health.
God is always in control of his will.

Did not go as planned. I will be going back in about two weeks.

 

[quietthinker]

This is not true Robert, "Everyone is ALREADY born saved." (OP)
Romans 3:23-24
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the REDEMPTION THAT IS IN CHRIST JESUS:
To claim such as you did above is universalism and goes against the very plain word of God.

Jesus paid the price for everyone TO BE SAVED !
It is not God's will that any should perish, therefore he came in the flesh, born of man that he might be OUR PROPITIATION FOR OUR SINS.

We however are born in sin away from God and we must hear the word, believe in our hearts and accept the gift of salvation Jesus purchased with his death to reconcile us unto the Father.

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

If one is going to undertake to enlighten others on what God says it must be in order by his word.

Having ones name blotted out of the Book of Life presupposes that one's name is already in the Book of Life. How did it get in? Was it by something we did? If Life is a gift then it is not a trade. If entering the book of Life is dependent on believing then we have made it a trade and we have downgraded God's gift while glorifying our choice. We then have hung our Salvation on something we do.

Life is a gift to all but not all want to keep it and they choose to opt out. Yes, they opt out and God does not force us to stay in. He allows the consequence of our choice (s). This is so in temporal matters as it is in eternal matters.....and so opting out of the Salvation freely given is the parallel of having ones name blotted out of the Book of Life.

 

[brightfame52]

@Robert Pate

You are in error.

The whole world has been reconciled unto God by the doing and the dying of Jesus.

Thats false and would constitute universalism, which we know is not true. The reconciled world is saved by Christs life, so that limits the reconciled world unto the saved elect.

 

[rwb]

Before we ever come into the world salvation has ALREADY been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. Jesus claims to be the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. All that is required is that we receive what God has ALREADY provided for us in Jesus Christ. If you are a child that died before you ever heard about Jesus, then you are saved. Therefore, everyone is born saved. If you grow up and reject Christ, then you are lost.

You isolate verses out of context to prove your doctrine, not biblical doctrine. When vs 9 of Hebrews is read in context, we learn who "every man" is. It is every man He brings unto glory through Him, and they are the children which God has given to Christ. Not every man, without exception, but every man without distinction who believes in Christ for eternal life. Christ has tasted death for every single one of THEM!

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:10-13 (KJV) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Again you lift John 3:17 out of context trying to prove biblical truth through the doctrine you bring to the Bible. When read in context we learn that Christ came to save the whole world, not every human ever born in the world. If that were true then Christ would not have further stated in vs 18 that only those who believe on Christ are not condemned, but those in the world that do not believe on Him is condemned already because they do not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God. We find in Rev 21 the truth of how God's love for the world through the propitiation of His Son shall bring a new world that shall be after this first heaven and earth have passed away.

John 3:17 (KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 21:1 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:4 (KJV) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Mankind is not born eternally saved already. Mankind is born to be saved, and whosoever hears the Gospel, repents and believes through the power of the Spirit in them is eternally secure in Him.

Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

 

[rwb]

@Robert Pate



Thats false and would constitute universalism, which we know is not true. The reconciled world is saved by Christs life, so that limits the reconciled world unto the saved elect.

Exactly! We must make a distinction between what God's creation called the world is, from God's creation of mankind. The two are often interchanged as though they are the same thing. More often the Bible writes world when speaking of His whole creation, while mankind live in the world, but mankind is not the whole creation that Christ has saved by His sacrificial life, death and resurrection. Because the Son of God has come God's whole creation shall be saved, and in fact made new again!

 

[Robert Pate]

You isolate verses out of context to prove your doctrine, not biblical doctrine. When vs 9 of Hebrews is read in context, we learn who "every man" is. It is every man He brings unto glory through Him, and they are the children which God has given to Christ. Not every man, without exception, but every man without distinction who believes in Christ for eternal life. Christ has tasted death for every single one of THEM!

Hebrews 2:9 (KJV) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Hebrews 2:10-13 (KJV) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee. And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.

Again you lift John 3:17 out of context trying to prove biblical truth through the doctrine you bring to the Bible. When read in context we learn that Christ came to save the whole world, not every human ever born in the world. If that were true then Christ would not have further stated in vs 18 that only those who believe on Christ are not condemned, but those in the world that do not believe on Him is condemned already because they do not believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God. We find in Rev 21 the truth of how God's love for the world through the propitiation of His Son shall bring a new world that shall be after this first heaven and earth have passed away.

John 3:17 (KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Revelation 21:1 (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:4 (KJV) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Mankind is not born eternally saved already. Mankind is born to be saved, and whosoever hears the Gospel, repents and believes through the power of the Spirit in them is eternally secure in Him.

Acts 2:21 (KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Salvation has been provided for everyone, Hebrews 2:9. But nothing is ours until it is received by faith. There is not one person on this earth that Jesus did not atone for their sins, but it is not theirs if they don't receive it. If Jesus did not atone for all sin he is not Lord.

 

[Robert Pate]

@Robert Pate



Thats false and would constitute universalism, which we know is not true. The reconciled world is saved by Christs life, so that limits the reconciled world unto the saved elect.

I assume that you believe that God saves some and damns the rest to hell?

If that is what you believe, then you are in serious trouble, because you don't have saving faith, instead you believe that God is a heartless tyrant. You will never see heaven if you believe God damns people to hell before they are born. What a terrible thing to believe about God. I think that it is blasphemy.

 

[Robert Pate]

@Robert Pate



Thats false and would constitute universalism, which we know is not true. The reconciled world is saved by Christs life, so that limits the reconciled world unto the saved elect.

You are at odds with the scripture. The scripture plainly says that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is why Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. You need to throw your Calvinist doctrine in the trash.

 

[Robert Pate]

Having ones name blotted out of the Book of Life presupposes that one's name is already in the Book of Life. How did it get in? Was it by something we did? If Life is a gift then it is not a trade. If entering the book of Life is dependent on believing then we have made it a trade and we have downgraded God's gift while glorifying our choice. We then have hung our Salvation on something we do.

Life is a gift to all but not all want to keep it and they choose to opt out. Yes, they opt out and God does not force us to stay in. He allows the consequence of our choice (s). This is so in temporal matters as it is in eternal matters.....and so opting out of the Salvation freely given is the parallel of having ones name blotted out of the Book of Life.

They didn't opt out because they never were in. They never did believe in the first place. They were counterfeits.

 

[brightfame52]

I assume that you believe that God saves some and damns the rest to hell?

If that is what you believe, then you are in serious trouble, because you don't have saving faith, instead you believe that God is a heartless tyrant. You will never see heaven if you believe God damns people to hell before they are born. What a terrible thing to believe about God. I think that it is blasphemy.

Those reconciled by Christs Death are also saved by His Life Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Are you a universalist ?

 

[brightfame52]

You are at odds with the scripture. The scripture plainly says that Jesus has reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. This is why Jesus is the savior of the whole world, John 3:17. You need to throw your Calvinist doctrine in the trash.

You say everyone is reconciled to God, thats universalism. You either are universalist or believe men can lose their Salvation or Reconciliation.