How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[Earburner]

Cont'd from post #460:
Now that the 10H 4th Beast has been outlined in its passage through time since 509 BC upto today, we must bring in the other two characters on stage, who are working in conjunction with the 10H 4th beast. They are: the "another beast with 2 horns" (the USA), and the "image" of the 10H 4th beast, which is the UN

 

[ewq1938]

There are seven phases of the 4th Beast that has 10 horns:

In 509 BC. the 4th beast began as the
1. Roman Republic, then in 27 BC it evolved into the
2. Roman Empire. From there it then evolved into a division of two manifestations, being the
3. Western [Rome] Empire and also the
4. Eastern [Constantinople] Empire.
Both of which today are
5. Europe with the
6. Roman Catholic church as being self appointed overseers.
7. Is still in process, but is in the final stage of development of it's last phase, which is the Global Economic Empire.
The full measure of the 4th beast with 10 horns is seen in Rev. 13:1-4, which is also known as the "Composite beast".

And how about the scriptures that speak of these 7 phases?

 

[ewq1938]

Cont'd from post #460:
Now that the 10H 4th Beast has been outlined in its passage through time since 509 BC upto today, we must bring in the other two characters on stage, who are working in conjunction with the 10H 4th beast. They are: the "another beast with 2 horns" (the USA), and the "image" of the 10H 4th beast, which is the UN

The second beast is the false prophet and that is a single man, not nations etc.

 

[ewq1938]

And you know this how???? Since its the perfect fit.

That doesn't match the context or language in Rev 13, that's why I know it's wrong. The mark allows people to buy things, or sell things. It's on a personal, individual level not sanctions like are imposed upon nations. It's not a fit at all let alone a perfect one.

 

[Keiw]

That doesn't match the context or language in Rev 13, that's why I know it's wrong. The mark allows people to buy things, or sell things. It's on a personal, individual level not sanctions like are imposed upon nations. It's not a fit at all let alone a perfect one.

Where does it say its on a personal level? The same at Rev 13--Makes fire come down out of the heavens--Is that bombs-missiles? John had no idea what a bomb or missile was.

 

[Douggg]

Where does it say its on a personal level? The same at Rev 13--Makes fire come down out of the heavens--Is that bombs-missiles? John had no idea what a bomb or missile was.

The false prophet will call fire down from heaven, similar to what Elijah did in his battle with the prophets of Baal.

The Jews (Judaism) are expecting Elijah the prophet to come and be a part of starting up the messianic age. By tradition, they even set a place for him at their dinner table every Passover holiday, in their expectation.

Initially, the Jews will think the false prophet is Elijah. And the false prophet will anoint the Antichrist person as the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. And the false messianic age will begin.

 

[Douggg]

The second beast is the false prophet and that is a single man, not nations etc.

agreed.

 

[Jay Ross]

It seems like, there are many threads started to determine who or what are the beasts and the Little Horn, and most posters are wrongly attempting to find a human to be the fall guy for the beast in Rev 13 as well as well as a fall guy the Little Horn/False Prophet.

The truth of the matter is that the Beasts of Daniel 7:1-10 are fallen winds of heaven/ fallen angels who have rebelled with Satan against God, with the Little Horn also being a fallen Angel as well. Since the Little Horn was going to be given an army over a period of 2,300 years where a day in the Book of Daniel is understood to represent a prophetic year in real time, the Little Horn has to be a heavenly host rather than a human entity as the span for a man was limited to no longe than 120 Years by God. Some commentators possess no logic in their understanding of God's Prophetic words.

Wanting to know who the identity oof the man will be for the beast or the false prophet defies all logic and reasoning on their part.

The kings of the earth who will be judged with the heavenly hosts at the same time are described in Revelation 9:7-8 to have long teeth like a lion and hair like a woman's hair that will have grown very long.

Rev 9:7-8: - 7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces were like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ teeth.​

When we read the scriptures and understood the context that God had placed in them, then we will come to the same contextual understanding that God intended us to have.

We really do need to wrap our laughing matter around God's prophetic words and see the context from what He was intending to present to us in His scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

Since the Little Horn was going to be given an army over a period of 2,300 years where a day in the Book of Daniel is understood to represent a prophetic year in real time

Jay, it does not say that the 2300 days represent 2300 years in Daniel 8. Are you SDA ?

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, it does not say that the 2300 days represent 2300 years in Daniel 8. Are you SDA ?

Dougggggg, a question, How long have God's Earthly Hosts been trampled upon by armies from the time following the death of Alexandra the Great?

Did the trampling of God's earthly hosts begin around 70 to 80 years after the death of Alexandra the great?

Has the trampling of God's earthly hosts by various armies stopped yet during this present time?

Has the trampling of God's earthly hosts been pretty continuous during this time period?

Is this trampling of God's earthly hosts approaching the 2,300-year mark during the present trampling of them?

I believe that your preterist understanding is not presenting the true facts of the Danail 8 prophecy of the Little Horn's Role in controlling the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts for a prolong period of time.

Could a single man have lived during all of this now nearly 2,300-year period?

Could a fallen wicked heavenly host, i.e. and angel, have exercised his control over various armies during this now nearly 2,300-year period?

 

[Keiw]

The false prophet will call fire down from heaven, similar to what Elijah did in his battle with the prophets of Baal.

The Jews (Judaism) are expecting Elijah the prophet to come and be a part of starting up the messianic age. By tradition, they even set a place for him at their dinner table every Passover holiday, in their expectation.

Initially, the Jews will think the false prophet is Elijah. And the false prophet will anoint the Antichrist person as the King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. And the false messianic age will begin.

false prophets can't summon a drop of water let alone fire from the heavens. The antichrist is NOT a man. Its the number of a man--number is the key-not man.

 

[Douggg]

false prophets can't summon a drop of water let alone fire from the heavens. The antichrist is NOT a man. Its the number of a man--number is the key-not man.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Not only the false prophet, the beast-king will also do lying wonders.

2Thessalonians2:
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[Douggg]

Dougggggg, a question, How long have God's Earthly Hosts been trampled upon by armies from the time following the death of Alexandra the Great?

Did the trampling of God's earthly hosts begin around 70 to 80 years after the death of Alexandra the great?

Has the trampling of God's earthly hosts by various armies stopped yet during this present time?

Has the trampling of God's earthly hosts been pretty continuous during this time period?

Is this trampling of God's earthly hosts approaching the 2,300-year mark during the present trampling of them?

I believe that your preterist understanding is not presenting the true facts of the Danail 8 prophecy of the Little Horn's Role in controlling the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His Earthly Hosts for a prolong period of time.

Could a single man have lived during all of this now nearly 2,300-year period?

Could a fallen wicked heavenly host, i.e. and angel, have exercised his control over various armies during this now nearly 2,300-year period?

Jay, the term "host of heaven" refers to the stars.

The term "host of heaven" is used 19 times in the kjv bible. The term "earthly hosts" "earthly host" you used in your post is not found in the kjv bible.

HOST OF HEAVEN IN THE BIBLE

See 'host of heaven' instances in the King James Version (KJV).

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the term "host of heaven" refers to the stars.

Your rebuttal is poorly researched.

The term "host of heaven" is used 19 times in the kjv bible.

Yer, the link you provided does not agree with you.\d

The term "earthly hosts" "earthly host" you used in your post is not found in the kjv bible.

Tradition has this concept being translated as: -

Daniel 8:13: - Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”

Who is being referenced as committing "the transgression of desolation," in the verse above. Is this not a reference to the Israelites, God's earthly hosts.

The verses referenced in the link below cover both the "hosts of heaven," i.e. angels, as well as the stars in the heaven and the understanding can be determined by the context presented in the quoted verses.

HOST OF HEAVEN IN THE BIBLE

See 'host of heaven' instances in the King James Version (KJV).

www.kingjamesbibleonline.org

 

[Douggg]

Daniel 8:13: - Then I heard a holy one speaking; and another holy one said to that certain one who was speaking, “How long will the vision be, concerning the daily sacrifices and the transgression of desolation, the giving of both the sanctuary and the host to be trampled underfoot?”

Who is being referenced as committing "the transgression of desolation," in the verse above. Is this not a reference to the Israelites, God's earthly hosts.

The little horn person, as the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as being the man of sin.

The host, the group of stars represent the Jews who will reject the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonian2:4. As a result of the Jews rejecting his claim, the revealed man of sin will persecute them.

 

[Jay Ross]

The little horn person, as the Antichrist will commit the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4, revealing himself as being the man of sin.

The host, the group of stars represent the Jews who will reject the Antichrist's claim of having achieved God-hood in 2Thessalonian2:4. As a result of the Jews rejecting his claim, the revealed man of sin will persecute them.

What are you trying to say?

 

[Douggg]

What are you trying to say?

Jay, the little horn person following the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39, will come into the middle east with the EU army. At that point he will be the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26.

The little horn/prince that shall come will claim to come as a peace keeper into the region. But for the ten EU leaders, which he will be over, the motivation will be to grab up control of all the oil rich areas in the middle east.

The Jews will perceive the little horn/prince that shall come as their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The false prophet, initially perceived by the Jews as Elijah, will anointed the little horn/prince that shall come as the King of Israel. Thus, the little horn/prince that shall come becomes the Antichrist at that point.

And a false messianic age begins, with the world saying "peace and safety".

About three years go by, and then totally unexpected, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13, as described in 2Thessalonians2:4. He will go into the temple (to be built), sit, and claim to have achieved God-hood.

The act also reveals him to be the man of sin and not the messiah as the Jews will have initially thought.

The Jews will reject his claim and will impeach him as continuing as their King of Israel. Ending his stage as the Antichrist.

Angered by their rejection, the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin will persecute the Jews for their rejection of him.

His transgression of desolation act will draw God's wrath on him, and God will have him assassinated, Ezekiel 28:1-10. And in disdain for the person, God will return him back to life, in Isaiah 14:18-20. At which time, the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin becomes the beast king.

the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast king are the 5 stages of the little horn person.

 

[Keiw]

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Not only the false prophet, the beast-king will also do lying wonders.

2Thessalonians2:
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Great signs and wonders= The lies they pass off as truth and the majority believe them. 99% believe the lies.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the little horn person following the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39, will come into the middle east with the EU army. At that point he will be the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26.

The little horn/prince that shall come will claim to come as a peace keeper into the region. But for the ten EU leaders, which he will be over, the motivation will be to grab up control of all the oil rich areas in the middle east.

The Jews will perceive the little horn/prince that shall come as their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

The false prophet, initially perceived by the Jews as Elijah, will anointed the little horn/prince that shall come as the King of Israel. Thus, the little horn/prince that shall come becomes the Antichrist at that point.

And a false messianic age begins, with the world saying "peace and safety".

About three years go by, and then totally unexpected, the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act of Daniel 8:13, as described in 2Thessalonians2:4. He will go into the temple (to be built), sit, and claim to have achieved God-hood.

The act also reveals him to be the man of sin and not the messiah as the Jews will have initially thought.

The Jews will reject his claim and will impeach him as continuing as their King of Israel. Ending his stage as the Antichrist.

Angered by their rejection, the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin will persecute the Jews for their rejection of him.

His transgression of desolation act will draw God's wrath on him, and God will have him assassinated, Ezekiel 28:1-10. And in disdain for the person, God will return him back to life, in Isaiah 14:18-20. At which time, the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin becomes the beast king.

the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast king are the 5 stages of the little horn person.

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Douggggg you have some fanciful delusions based on your own private understandings.

Since we are presently seeing the rapid, i.e. in a round 20 years' time, conclusion of the Sixth Bowl judgement of Rev 16:12-16. The last event of the sixth Bowl Judgement is the assembling of the kings of the earth at the place called Armageddon to be judged while at the same time God will judge the Heavenly hosts and together, they will be gathered and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years.

Now in your "diagram" you have Armageddon happening towards the end of your 2520-day period after which Jesus returns, but your scenario of how the end times will play out bears no resemblance to what is presented in the scriptures because of your mismatching timeline of how God portrays how the end times will actually pay out.

Give us all a break by taking a break from posting your dream time understandings.

 

[Douggg]

Rev 16:12-16. The last event of the sixth Bowl Judgement is the assembling of the kings of the earth at the place called Armageddon to be judged while at the same time God will judge the Heavenly hosts and together, they will be gathered and imprisoned in the Bottomless Pit for 1,000 years.

Jay, in the middle of the 7 years, in Revelation 12:7-9, Satan and his angels will be cast down to earth.

When Jesus returns, Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years - I agree.

His angels though, it does not say that they are cast into the bottomless pit, nor released at the end of the 1000 years for a short time like Satan will be.

Therefore - I think that when Jesus returns, Satan's angels will be cast into the lake of fire as the false prophet and beast-king will be in Revelation 19:20.