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CharismaticLady
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It starts with Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39
and ends with 1 John 3:21-24
but in between is 2 Peter 1:5-7; for contest read 2 Peter 1:2-11.
What did Apostle Paul mean here?
"And why stand we in jeopardy every hour?
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily." I Cor 15:30-31
CharismaticLady
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I would say yes. You must endure to the end. But we can have assurance in 1 John 3:21 that we are still on the path, and by then you never want to get off, no matter what, even being presented with taking the mark of the beast, or die.
One more thing in the following verse. 100% of my prayers are answered. That is God's sign to me that He is pleased with me, so I'll keep on never doing anything against my conscience. And the only "work" I must do is consciously forgiving others and trying to the best of my ability to reconcile relationships with my Christian friends. Matthew 5:23-24; Matthew 6:14-15.
Agree martyrdom is preferable to offending God
Also Jn 15:1-5 abide in Him
Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!
Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!
Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Sanctification: the life of grace in the holy sacrifice of the mass and sacraments, prayer, virture, and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Suffering required for glorification with Christ!
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
CharismaticLady
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I agree with all this, but my personal beliefs tweak it a bit.
Sanctification vs. Glorification
Suffering
I like your definition of Sanctification better than many Protestant definitions of "sanctification is the life-long process of overcoming sin.
I began noticing that in the New Testament sanctification was presented for the born again Christian as in the past tense. So justification and sanctification happen at the same time. So I asked God according to James 1:5-6 well if sanctification is not the life-long process, but we do grow to maturity, what is the name of that process. I immediately heard one word - "glorification." Since then I see it everywhere in the NT. John 17; Romans 8:29-30, and that 2 Peter 1:5-7 are the steps of becoming like Christ after first being given the mind of Christ through the baptism of the Holy S
Spirit.
As far as suffering, no tweak necessary. Boy, howdy! When I went through a period of suffering for my faith in Christ, I grew leaps and bounds, so I agree totally.
Randy Kluth
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We were created in the image of God in the beginning, and then fell out of conformity with God's word. We ceased being like God all the time, and God decided to end our lives. This didn't happen immediately, but we were immediately sentenced to eventual death.
God had to do something to salvage His plan to use Man to fill the earth with His image. And so God had built into His plan from the beginning a means of redemption, to restore Man to His original will. Since Man had been moved off of his original goal by Satan, God was willing to forgive Man, if he was willing to repent.
What this amounts to is a return to God's good pleasure for individuals who repent, and a means to be restored from death. Death represents a separation from God in the world in which we were placed.
Salvation is restoration to our place in this world, after being forgiven for our sins. Resurrection doesn't come immediately, but repentance means that we can have instant assurance of this resurrection in the future.
Philip James
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We have been saved,
as our Lord has broken our chains and defeated death..
We are being saved,
As we allow His Grace to transform us, from glory to glory...
We will be saved,
If we endure to the end, and hear those precious words...
'well done faithful servant'
Peace be with you!
Christ is risen!
Alleluia!
Randy Kluth
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I'm not sure I understand the question? Are you asking if anyone is "saved" in this life?
The word "saved" has several connotations, and what it means depends on the context in which I, the speaker, use the word. To be "saved" usually means that I have accepted Christ into my life as the source of my spirituality. It means I've put off the ways of my "flesh," meaning my independence. And now I've chosen to adopt Christ as the well spring from which I derive all of my attitudes, choices, and emotions. "For me to live is Christ," Paul wrote.
This is "salvation," not that our salvation is yet complete in our resurrection and glorification, but only that we have the certificate of our Salvation, the down payment of the Holy Spirit, certifying that our place in heaven has already been allocated to us. Our name is emblazoned on a chair at the meeting. We have a seat at the table. :)
Randy Kluth
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Matt 24.12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Some confusion may arise if we conflate NT Salvation with Jesus' reference to "salvation" in a different context. Here, Jesus is talking about the destruction of Israel, which began to take place in 70 AD. That's when the Roman Army came against Jerusalem, eventually destroying both that city and the Jewish Temple.
Jesus then said the Jewish People would have to flee for their lives. Some would be left alive to cultivate the fields for the Romans, but many would be murdered. The Christians who saw the prophecy begin to unfold would be allowed to escape to nearby regions.
So "salvation" here has to do with surviving divine judgments against the Jewish People, who were being judged for their lack of repentance and for their rejection of Christ. Those who remain committed to righteousness, and who embrace Christ, will be "saved." That is, they will survive this judgment, whether physically or spiritually.
This is NT Salvation, but it is given in a very narrow application. It has to do with surviving the 70 AD Roman Judgment. Salvation is therefore both spiritual and physical, but primarily spiritual. It is deliverance from God's wrath, whether these events lead to death or not. The important thing is to not die under God's wrath. Even if you die, if it isn't under wrath you will be raised again to new life.
amigo de christo
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THAT OR IT MEANS WHAT IT SAYS . YE MUST CONTINUE IN JESUS FIRM TO THE END AND BE SAVED .
Sounds to me like someone here is heeding hermenutics of an acroynm , instead of just reading PLAIN ENGLISH .
Many do this , so you are not being attacked . YET , the truth is simple . IF you want to be saved
BELIEVE IN JESUS and CONTINUE IN HIM TO THE END .
OR let me put it this way . Can you bodly say that if one does not continue in HIM they will be saved any way .
COURSE YOU cant . at the very least you will say , WELL THEN THEY WERE NEVER SAVED to BEGIN WITH .
BUT if JESUS warned about this , and so did paul and others , WHY ATTACK THOSE WHO WOULD SIMPLY REMIND WE MUST CONTINUE TO THE END .
IF warning folks that we must continue in the faith , in Christ , to the end is legalism , THEN YOU JUST MADE JESUS HIMSELF
as well as every apostel , LEGALISTS . PONDER THAT ONE my friend of an acroynm . AS FOR ME , I AM GONNA TRUST IN JESUS
and not in an acroynm . FOR I KNOW WHO SAVES and I TAKE HIS EVERY WARNING SERIOUS . but many dont .
Randy Kluth
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I referred to this as a narrow context, which puts a little bit of a different spin on it. But I still said it is a form of NT Christian Salvation.
Didn't you read this? I said, "This is NT Salvation, but it is given in a very narrow application."
My good Christian friend, May I encourage you to *read* 1st, before answering? ;)
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