I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[BreadOfLife]

When the future gets here, we'll see who ends up where. Enjoy.

Say the guy who has run out of ways to defend his aberrant theology . . .

 

[Triumph1300]

 

[Behold]

Jesus isn't a Christian at ALL Einstein.

I have not posted that ""Jesus is a Christian.""
I posted that His Cross, birthed Christianity.
I posted that "ALL who beleive in Jesus, shall be saved".. by God.

He is the centerpiece - the FOCUS of Christianity.

Jesus more then that.......He's this.>>>. "cornerstone"...

= "And all ate the same spiritual food, and drank the same spiritual drink.. for they drank of the SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them, and that ROCK was CHRIST"...

See that @BreadOfLife ?

The MaryCULT has stolen Jesus's Title and gave it to Peter.

Funny how you use idiotic buzzwords like "MaryCult" - whilke YOU yourself worship Paul . . .

Paul said to all Christians.... """"""be a follower of me as i Follow Christ'"..

So, this means, that there is specific "Church Theology, and a specific Lifestyle, prayer life, and daily walk of faith, that Paul gives as the perfect example of Christian Discipleship....and we are to "follow"'.

Whereas the MaryCult, is this... False Religion.
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[Dan Clarkston]

Paul's Gospel is "the preaching of the Cross"

Jesus's Gospel... is what saves people, and it is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which come by grace thru faith.

Paul did not teach a different gospel than Jesus did, contrary to the greasy grace teachers who turn the grace of God in to lasciviousness who are clouds without water for whom whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever

So, when Jesus was talking to the Jews only, before He was crucified, He was NOT sharing "the gospel" that is PAUL's.

News flash, Jesus is NOT a liar! And Paul even stated in 1 Timothy 6:3-5 that those that do not follow what Jesus says are in pride, knowing nothing being in envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth... that's today's greasy gracers right there!

According to Jesus, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God started being preached during the ministry of John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

But this is to be expected from the gracy gracers who are so confused and try to hard to get people to believe Jesus doesn't know what He's talking about.

Funny how you use idiotic buzzwords like "MaryCult" - whilke YOU yourself worship Paul . . .

You're not wrong on this point.

Say the guy who has run out of ways to defend his aberrant theology . . .

Nobody expects the blind to be able to see.

Hope you have a great Memorial Day Weekend there sport!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Try to understand that forgiveness from God, is only found as the "blood atonement"......and this means that "in the time of the Gentiles"... this eternal forgiveness is only found when a person gives God THEIR Faith in Christ as "Jesus is the one time Eternal sacrifice for Sin".

Now....Let me show you.

Lets say im a Black Robe Parish Priest, and you come and tell me......>"Father i have killed my mother".

And i say.......>Ok,.... do 50 "hail mary's" and give 1000.00 dollars to the church".....you are forgiven."

I just lied to you., as they will, every single time.

Since you have an idiotic understanding of Christ’s Church – you couldn’t possiby comprehend Jesus’s words in John 21.

As I educated you on my LAST post – forgiveness can ONLY be obtained because of what Jesus did on the cross. This was the reason that Father sent Him – to bring about the forgiveness of sin.

And THAT’S what HE sent His Apostles to do – to forgive sins or hold them bound (John20:21-23).

Jesus TRANSFERRED this power to His Apostles:
John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

Ummmm, which part of “He will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU” do you have a problem with??

The only Priest that a Christian is to deal with = is our High Priest who is our heavenely """"advocate, and that Is Jesus The Christ.
You and the MaryCult insult Him when you try to send sinners to anyone else.

So, even the teaching that you are teaching is shown to be false like this......., as Catholics take their sins and issues to MARY in prayer, and Mary is not a "Priest", yet you just said that a sinners are to take their issues to a :" Priest."

Therefore.....See Mary a little later on today.... regarding the entirety of the MaryCult False theology.

WRONG again, son.
Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

In the Old Testament, there were THREE levels of Priests:
- Aaron, the High Priest
- The Levitical Priesthood
- The rest of the people were a general priesthood of believers

In the New Testament, there are also THREE levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial/Levitical Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The general priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious than the Old Testament type.

Finally, in the Epistle of Jude, we read the warning about those who would usurp Church Authority by assuming the ministerial priesthood without the Church’s consent (Jude 1:11). In this passage he compares them to the Rebellion of Korah and their subsequent punishment (Numbers 16:1-35; 31:16).

He's Talking to The Jewish Apostles, and you not one of those.

I never claimed dot be.
He WAS talking to the Apostles – and the successors to their office.

STUDY (Acts 1:20, 2 Tim. 2:2) your Bible . . .

 

[Behold]

Jesus's Gospel... is what saves people, and it is the Gospel of the Kingdom of God which come by grace thru faith.

Paul's Gospel, is : "the power of God, unto Salvation for everyone who = Believes"..

A.) "Justification by faith" in Christ., as "our faith is counted by God, as righteousness".

This is "THE Gospel".... = This is "the preaching of the Cross"..........

So, Jesus didn't talk about The Cross to the Jews, before He died..., because He had not died on it, when He was in His ministry to the JEWS..
And after He rose from the dead, His ministry was over, and soon He ascended back to Heaven.

Paul did not teach a different gospel than Jesus did,

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Paul's Gospel is that """"Jesus shed His blood and died for the sin fo the world, and rose again for our justificaiton"

Jesus didnt share this Gospel, as Jesus was alive and had not died on the Cross, during His ministry to the JEWS., only.

News flash, Jesus is NOT a liar!

Of course not......Jesus is THE Truth"..... John 14:6

And Paul's Gospel is "THE Gospel"..

Galatians 1:8

According to Jesus, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God started being preached during the ministry of John the Baptist

Yes.
Jesus... = Preached to the JEWS....only.

Later, Paul was called to be the "Apostle to the Gentiles'........"In the TIME of the Gentiles'.....not the Jews. so, Paul's Gospel, is about the CROSS.......not about "repent and be water baptized" that is John the Baptist's Kingdom gospel to the Jews.

But this is to be expected from the gracy gracers who are so confused and try to hard to get people to believe Jesus doesn't know what He's talking about.

You didn't even know what Paul's Gospel was, until you met me on this Forum.
And you are not alone there....
And you still have not begun to understood it, and that is because your ears are always closed, because your mouth is always running...

See you there..

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That's what satan wants you to believe and say.

Yeah, satan wants everyone to worship mary

 

[Behold]

That's what Satan wants you to believe and say.

God gave Jesus to the "world" as His offer of Salvaiton., and everyone who believes becomes a "Son/Daughter" of the "body of Christ".

The MaryCult gives you Mary, water baptism, and Popes.

Figure out who isnt the true : "church".

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have not posted that ""Jesus is a Christian.""
I posted that His Cross, birthed Christianity.
I posted that "ALL who beleive in Jesus, shall be saved".. by God.

Then, WHY would you make the idiotic statement: “Jesus was not a Catholic.”
NOBODY ever claimed that.

REALLY stupid . . .

Jesus more then that.......He's this.>>>. "cornerstone"...

= "And all ate the same spiritual food, and drank the same spiritual drink.. for they drank of the SPIRITUAL ROCK that followed them, and that ROCK was CHRIST"...

Yes – the FOCUS of Christianity – just like I said . . .

See that @BreadOfLife ?

The MaryCULT has stolen Jesus's Title and gave it to Peter.

No – Jesus gave Peter the title of “Rock (Kepha):
Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Paul said to all Christians.... """"""be a follower of me as i Follow Christ'"..

So, this means, that there is specific "Church Theology, and a specific Lifestyle, prayer life, and daily walk of faith, that Paul gives as the perfect example of Christian Discipleship....and we are to "follow"'.

Whereas the MaryCult, is this... False Religion.

No – Only JESUS was perfect.
Paul was a GOOD steward.

Stop worshipping Paul and repent.
JESUS is Lord – not Paul

 

[Behold]

Since you have an idiotic understanding of Christ’s Church – you couldn’t possiby comprehend Jesus’s words in John 21.

As I educated you on my LAST post – forgiveness can ONLY be obtained because of what Jesus did on the cross. This was the reason that Father sent Him – to bring about the forgiveness of sin.

Yes, that is what i posted to you.....
Thank you for claiming it, and reposting it.
I dont mind. as God knows you need to post something that is Not MaryCult authored nonsense..

And THAT’S what HE sent His Apostles to do – to forgive sins or hold them bound (John20:21-23).

See the Cross for Salvation....

Praying to Mary or confessing to a,, Priest, wont get you there.

Jesus TRANSFERRED this power to His Apostles:
John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.

You are sayng that Jesus not being able to instruct Apostle , is "transferring power'.

That is Hilarious.
You are a comedian, trying to be a Thologian.
Keep'um coming.as we all need a JOKE, and you are that one... absolutely.


Also.... Jesus later sent Paul to teach all that he could not share with the Apostles .

So, later, Paul wrote all the Church Doctrine, and never used a rosary, and never "venerated Mary".. and never bowed to Peter., but Paul did correct Peter.

In the New Testament, there are also THREE levels of Priests:

And there are 13 epistles of Paul, and only one way to Heaven, and water baptism and Mary are not it.

John 14:6

He WAS talking to the Apostles – and the successors to their office.

If you study "apostle".: it Means "sent one"....and in the case of a real apostle, they are proven to be so by having the "sign of an Apostle".

2 Corin 12:12

They can perform the supernatural.., anytime they want, having been gifted by God to do it.

This PROVED their Legit "Apostleship">.

The Pope can't do any of this..., because He is a FAKE Religious Head, of a false Religion.

 

[BreadOfLife]

See the Cross for Salvation....

Praying to Mary or confessing to a,, Priest, wont get you there.

Sure – I can always disobey Jesus – like YOU do . . .

You are sayng that Jesus not being able to instruct Apostle , is "transferring power'.

That is Hilarious.
You are a comedian, trying to be a Thologian.
Keep'um coming.as we all need a JOKE, and you are that one... absolutely.

Are you really this dense – or just horribly dishonest??

When Jesus told the Apostles - “I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now” - He wasn’t saying that He COULDN’T instruct them. He was telling them that THEY couldn’t bear it yet.
He gave them that instruction AFTER His Resurrection in John 20:21-23 when He sent them to forgive sins or hold them bound.

Learn how to properly divide the Word of God . . .

Also.... Jesus later sent Paul to teach all that he could not share with the Apostles .
So, later, Paul wrote all the Church Doctrine, and never used a rosary, and never "venerated Mary".. and never bowed to Peter., but Paul did correct Peter.

More of your “Paul Worship”, I see . . .

WHO told you that Pau wrote ALL Christian doctrine, Einstein?? There are FOUR Gospels filled with the teachings of Christ.

And YOU ridicule Catholics with your “Mary worship” manure – ALL the while placing Paul above Jesus.

Remember: JESUS is Lord – not Paul

 

[Ronald Nolette]

John 16:12-15
“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.
But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to ALL truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to YOU the things that are coming.
He will glorify me, because he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.
Everything that the Father has is MINE; for this reason I told you that he will TAKE from what is MINE and declare it to YOU.

These are scriptures written down for the ages that were told!

2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

Now yo0u have to think here- This was spoken in the first century. Much of the NT was being spoken at this time. If things were important enough, it was written and copied and sent ot other churches.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

And they were the ones speaking the New Testament into existence. Many of the things they spoke and taught were not considered by God to be preserved for all ages. Like the Letter to the Laodecians, third corinthians etc.

Matt 16:18-19
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Remember Peter is not that Rock but his declaration that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God is. And this has to do with holding the temporal consequences of sin to a believer or loosing them, as well as opening the gospel to all lands.

Matt. 18:15-18
"If your brother sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother.
If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that 'every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.'
If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector.
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Once again if you read in context, you would see this has to do with church discipline and not creating new doctrine or authority beyond what God declared. Also this authority for bindfing and loosing a believer from the temporal consequences of sin, is in SCripture not oooutside of it.

I think that completely tears apart your assertion.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I just have noticed that when people have a lie lodged in their mind it blinds them to simple clear teachings of scripture, quite literally. Those scriptures I posted agree with many others. Unless you want to make a case that they have all be misinterpreted.

Eternal life is inherited....like any inheritance people can lose or forfeit their inheritance for different reasons.

You don't seem to find the idea of new believers who remain sitting under Catholicism and its teachings to be concerning, that is what came across as a casual attitude to me....but if I've misunderstood, I apologize.

Yes they have misinterpreted.

Point 2 Jesus promised that we will never perish. When we received Jesus as Savior, how many of your sins were forgiven? all or some?

Finally your last line. You are making faulty assumptions because you failed to simply ask me my heart. Yes I am deeply concerned that believers remain Catholic. I fear their growth will be stunted by their false doctrine. BTW Losing ones salvation is an invention of the Catholic church who alos misinterpreted Scriptureon the subject of soteriology.

 

[BreadOfLife]

These are scriptures written down for the ages that were told!

Jesus said this to the leaders of His Church.

Now yo0u have to think here- This was spoken in the first century. Much of the NT was being spoken at this time. If things were important enough, it was written and copied and sent ot other churches.

Now YOU have to think here . . .

The Ealy Church didn’t have a Bible to read. As a matter of fact – until the 18th century – MOST people were functionally-illiterate and couldn’t read if they tried. On top pf that – Canon of Scripture wasn’t even declared until the 4th century.

At the time - there were MANY collections of Book in different communities - several that didn't amke the Canon. To make matters worse – Bibles weren’t even in print for another 1200 years after that.

2 Thess 2:15 puts Oral Tradition on the SAME ground as what was written.

And they were the ones speaking the New Testament into existence. Many of the things they spoke and taught were not considered by God to be preserved for all ages. Like the Letter to the Laodecians, third corinthians etc.

How do YOU know?? Do YOU honestly believe that Jesus was wasting His time after His Resurrection??

John 21 tells us in NO uncertain terms:
John 21:25
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

Do you honestly believe that He was just repeating everything He said for the last 3 years??
If so - why doesn’t John just say that??

Remember Peter is not that Rock but his declaration that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God is. And this has to do with holding the temporal consequences of sin to a believer or loosing them, as well as opening the gospel to all lands.

WRONG.

ALL through Scripture – God ONLY changes a person’s name when He is bestowing a profound honor:
- Abram to Abraham
- Jacob to Israel
- Simon to Peter (Kepha)

The Aramaic word, “Kepha” is a “massive boulder” – not the small rock (Petros).
In the Greek – he is called Petros because it is a masculine noun. It would be laughable to refer to a man as “Petra”, whce is a feminie noun.

The Bible is clear that Jesus put Peter in charge:

- Jesus singled out Peter when He gave him the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven (Matt. 16:18-19)

- Jesus asked Peter and Peter alone to feed His lambs and tend His sheep (John 21:15-19)

- Jesus said that He prayed for Peter ALONE to strengthen the others and bring them back to faith (Luke 22:31-32)

- Peter called "Protos" (First) in the Gospel (Matt. 10:2)

- Peter's name occurs first in all lists of apostles (Matt. 10:2; Mk 3:16; Luke 6:14; Acts 1:13)

- Peter is specified by an angel as the leader and representative of the apostles (Mark 16:7)

- Peter takes the lead in calling for a successor for Judas (Acts 1:22)

- Peter is the first person to speak (and only one recorded) after Pentecost, making him the first - Christian to preach the Gospel in the Church (Acts 2:14-36)

- Peter works the first miracle of the Church Age, healing a lame man (Acts 3:6-12)

- Peter utters the first anathema (Ananias and Sapphira) affirmed by God (Acts 5:2-11)

Once again if you read in context, you would see this has to do with church discipline and not creating new doctrine or authority beyond what God declared. Also this authority for bindfing and loosing a believer from the temporal consequences of sin, is in SCripture not oooutside of it.

I think that completely tears apart your assertion.

I’m glad you said that – because the Bible shows SEVERAL instances where Church Authority reigns (Matt 16:16-19, Matt. 18:15-18, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23, 2 Thess 2:15, Luke 10:16, 1 Tim. 3:15).

So much for “tearing apart” God’s sacred Word . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Also.... Jesus later sent Paul to teach all that he could not share with the Apostles .

Show me where the Bible teaches that Jesus taught Paul things that he was unable to share with the other Apostles.

Chapter and Verse, please . . .

 

[Triumph1300]

The Ealy Church didn’t have a Bible to read. As a matter of fact – until the 18th century – MOST people were functionally-illiterate and couldn’t read if they tried. On top pf that – Canon of Scripture wasn’t even declared until the 4th century.

Yup, and that's why people were fooled by preachers because they could not double check the Roman Catholic lies that were preached to them.

Thank God Martin Luther came along and changed all that and a few more things.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Of course not......Jesus is THE Truth"..... John 14:6

And Paul's Gospel is "THE Gospel"..

OK, so you think Jesus lied in Luke 16:16, got it.

I heard there were crazy peoples that put Paul above Jesus and worship Paul as their lord and savior.

Thanks for clearing that up for everyone so we know whassup!

No, Satan wants to deceive people into believing that Mary is worshipped

Actually satan is leading some to worship mary because the devil knows God does not accept idolatry and said all idolators go to hell along with the fearful, the unbelieving, the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers (Revelation 21:8)

Thank you for playing. Sadly you lost, but there's always repentance and going back to what God's Word actually teaches.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

 

[Behold]

That's what Satan wants you to believe and say.

Actually, Satan wants people to join His cults.

He has a lot of these, he created, to choose from.

Here are a few of the more popular ones... designed by The Devil

MaryCult
Mormons
JW's
Calvinism
Islam
Scientology
Secularism
Paganism
Satanism

 

[Behold]

I heard there were crazy peoples that put Paul above Jesus and worship Paul as their lord and savior. View attachment 63311

Jesus gave Paul "The Gospel" and all the doctrine for the Body of Christ".

You're not a real bible student, so, you would not know any of this.....as you keep proving.