I make peace, and CREATE EVIL

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There is evil in the ethical moral sense and there is evil in the sense of bad or distressful situations/events.

King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Was Isaiah talking about internal morals or external events?

Let's see the parallelism:

I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create evil

Light reflects peaceful situations and peaceful places. It is not so much about peaceful morality.

By parallelism, darkness contains evil situations. It is not so much about evil moral values.

New King James Version:

I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Ellicott explained:

The words have no bearing on the insoluble problem of what we call the origin of evil. “Evil,” as opposed to “peace” or prosperity, is suffering, but not sin.
 

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There is evil in the ethical moral sense and there is evil in the sense of bad or distressful situations/events.
I agree with this. "Evil," in context, is referring to events that are negative in terms of our idealic well-being. In this sense, getting a cold can be viewed as an "evil."

Do I then claim that germs were created by Satan, and not by God, because God wouldn't do such "evil" to us? Not at all. God could create germs with a good purpose which, when distorted, can infect us with colds. It would be the "distortion" that corrupts the good purpose.

Some say that all negative things, in the material world, were "distortions" caused by Man's Fall. But I don't find that to be likely. It appears that God factored into His "good creation" all kinds of potential distortions that could be turned into "evils" that afflict Man because of his disobedience.

For example, God created violent animals which from the beginning were no threat to Man, but only to themselves. But after the Fall, these violent animals had to have "fear" put on them by God to keep them from killing people en masse. The instincts of animals were thus "distorted" to allow the killing of people, and had to have the additional insertion of "restraint" upon them to prevent them from becoming even worse.

Why would God even create animals that kill each other from before the Fall? Some people deny that they did, that animals were strictly vegetarian. I find this absurd, and won't address it. I just think that God did create what appears to be "evil" to us to instruct us as to what is God's protection in an environment in which Satan likely had already fallen. God would know that Satan would go after Man, and creation reflects Satan's "snake-like qualities."

Is God "evil" for creating creatures that depict evil, or that cause death in the animal kingdom? I don't think we can define morality, since we're not God. The best we can do is see God's love for Man as supreme among the creatures He made.

As an interesting side note, I would add this. I came down with a weird "cold" over the last couple of weeks. I thought it may be COVID, and took the test, but it turned out negative. However, I think the test may have been flawed, because it was outdated, and the control line disappeared. It is a truly strange virus

Well, I don't fall for all of the lies coming out of Fauci and the Chinese in Wuhan. COVID came from gain of function research, supposedly designed to produce better antidotes/vaccinations for viruses, but I wouldn't put it past the parties to experiment for the purpose of biological warfare.

So I was discussing this with my wife this morning, and expressed how we are now getting diseases that God had designed for beasts and not for people. AIDS may be the product of people have sex with monkeys. Altering viruses so that people can get beast-only viruses is something God never intended for us to experience.

So you can see the pattern, that God did create evil that initially may not have been destructive to Man, but after the Fall, led to distortions that now have created "evil" for Man by our own sinful ways. God never has evil intentions. But in His creativity He has allowed us to cause distortions that have brought our own evil upon ourselves.

The innocent, however, suffer as a result of the evil of others. We all have to live in the same village. And Sin always produces victims, including among the innocent. :( What a terrible cold/flu! I am very slowly recovering.
 
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King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Was Isaiah talking about internal morals or external events?
So what you really are saying, really, am I to take this word for word, or is there some
other meaning in there that let's me believe that God created a gentler and kinder evil,
so as I can accept God as not as He really is, but as I want to believe of Him
in the character that I have deemed of a good and loving God? ;););)

Here, it is my good pleasure to be the bearer of good news to you.
And God said let there be light and there was light.
And God said let there be evil and there was evil.

As even you should be able to comprehend,
before God created evil, there was none.

That is what Isaiah proclaimed in His declaration. :cool::cool::cool:


Isn't His God wonderful?
 

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I agree with this. "Evil," in context, is referring to events that are negative in terms of our idealic well-being. In this sense, getting a cold can be viewed as an "evil."

Do I then claim that germs were created by Satan, and not by God, because God wouldn't do such "evil" to us? Not at all. God could create germs with a good purpose which, when distorted, can infect us with colds. It would be the "distortion" that corrupts the good purpose.

Some say that all negative things, in the material world, were "distortions" caused by Man's Fall. But I don't find that to be likely. It appears that God factored into His "good creation" all kinds of potential distortions that could be turned into "evils" that afflict Man because of his disobedience.

For example, God created violent animals which from the beginning were no threat to Man, but only to themselves. But after the Fall, these violent animals had to have "fear" put on them by God to keep them from killing people en masse. The instincts of animals were thus "distorted" to allow the killing of people, and had to have the additional insertion of "restraint" upon them to prevent them from becoming even worse.

Why would God even create animals that kill each other from before the Fall? Some people deny that they did, that animals were strictly vegetarian. I find this absurd, and won't address it. I just think that God did create what appears to be "evil" to us to instruct us as to what is God's protection in an environment in which Satan likely had already fallen. God would know that Satan would go after Man, and creation reflects Satan's "snake-like qualities."

Is God "evil" for creating creatures that depict evil, or that cause death in the animal kingdom? I don't think we can define morality, since we're not God. The best we can do is see God's love for Man as supreme among the creatures He made.

As an interesting side note, I would add this. I came down with a weird "cold" over the last couple of weeks. I thought it may be COVID, and took the test, but it turned out negative. However, I think the test may have been flawed, because it was outdated, and the control line disappeared. It is a truly strange virus

Well, I don't fall for all of the lies coming out of Fauci and the Chinese in Wuhan. COVID came from gain of function research, supposedly designed to produce better antidotes/vaccinations for viruses, but I wouldn't put it past the parties to experiment for the purpose of biological warfare.

So I was discussing this with my wife this morning, and expressed how we are now getting diseases that God had designed for beasts and not for people. AIDS may be the product of people have sex with monkeys. Altering viruses so that people can get beast-only viruses is something God never intended for us to experience.

So you can see the pattern, that God did create evil that initially may not have been destructive to Man, but after the Fall, led to distortions that now have created "evil" for Man by our own sinful ways. God never has evil intentions. But in His creativity He has allowed us to cause distortions that have brought our own evil upon ourselves.

The innocent, however, suffer as a result of the evil of others. We all have to live in the same village. And Sin always produces victims, including among the innocent. :( What a terrible cold/flu! I am very slowly recovering.
Sorry about your cold/flu/covid/??

"Well, I don't fall for all of the lies coming out of Fauci and the Chinese in Wuhan. COVID came from gain of function research, supposedly designed to produce better antidotes/vaccinations for viruses, but I wouldn't put it past the parties to experiment for the purpose of biological warfare."

TOTALLY agreed!


"Some people deny that they did, that animals were strictly vegetarian."

Genesis 1:29–30
29 "And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And unto every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so."

Just my take on the vegetarian thingy :)



Why would God even create animals that kill each other from before the Fall?"

There wouldn't have been ANY carnivores before the fall nor any predators as they ALL were vegetarians, in the animal world before the entry of sin.
Again, just my take on the scriptures.
:)
 

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King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:

"evil" here is not sin or unbelief.

As God is not the author of sin or unbelief or confusion.

Calvinism, accuses God of creating and causing evil.

(rape, murder, incest, porn, child molesting, hate, bigotry, fear, lying, stealing, HITLER........ right... all of that.

Now...Lets look at how insane that is...

Holy God gave the Holy Law, and the Holy 10 Commandments, that teach Holiness, and teach us to recognize sin.

Then....... Satanic J. Calvin comes along, and teaches that God causes what God tells us is sinful, that we are not to do.

That's Theological Insanity, its BLASPHEMY.

Now, anyone who has a brain, that isn't "Calvinized", can understand that to accuse Holy God of creating EVIL (sin), is utterly Satanic.
Satan is the EVIL one, not God.
And that proves that the power of Satan, that is the power of deception, is incredibly powerful, as People believe Calvin's Theology.
.. and teach it on Forums.
 

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"evil" here is not sin or unbelief.

As God is not the author of sin or unbelief or confusion.

Calvinism, accuses God of creating and causing evil.

(rape, murder, incest, porn, child molesting, hate, bigotry, fear, lying, stealing, HITLER........ right... all of that.

Now...Lets look at how insane that is...

Holy God gave the Holy Law, and the Holy 10 Commandments, that teach Holiness, and teach us to recognize sin.

Then....... Satanic J. Calvin comes along, and teaches that God causes what God tells us is sinful, that we are not to do.

That's Theological Insanity, its BLASPHEMY.

Now, anyone who has a brain, that isn't "Calvinized", can understand that to accuse Holy God of creating EVIL (sin), is utterly Satanic.
Satan is the EVIL one, not God.
And that proves that the power of Satan, that is the power of deception, is incredibly powerful, as People believe Calvin's Theology.
.. and teach it on Forums.
So tell us, anyone with a brain, what evil did God create?
 

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So, why did NKJV change the wording of the old KJV?
Because they wanted to make money.
I wonder what the living God thinks about
all these people making money off of Him
and the holy things He gives to man?

What do you think He thinks about it?

PS. I got this very strong feeling
that the wrath of God is going to be turned loose
upon all the earth very soon.
 

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Sorry about your cold/flu/covid/??
Thanks much!
"Well, I don't fall for all of the lies coming out of Fauci and the Chinese in Wuhan. COVID came from gain of function research, supposedly designed to produce better antidotes/vaccinations for viruses, but I wouldn't put it past the parties to experiment for the purpose of biological warfare."

TOTALLY agreed!
Thanks again.

"Some people deny that they did, that animals were strictly vegetarian."

Genesis 1:29–30
29 "And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30 And unto every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so."

Just my take on the vegetarian thingy :)




Why would God even create animals that kill each other from before the Fall?"

There wouldn't have been ANY carnivores before the fall nor any predators as they ALL were vegetarians, in the animal world before the entry of sin.
Again, just my take on the scriptures.
:)
Yes, I couldn't argue it because it gets into the old argument about how old the earth is, dating validity, etc. If the science of dating is inaccurate, you might have an argument.

I don't personally have a problem thinking God created carnivores millions of years before creating Man. I don't view animals killing one another as evil.

Throughout the entire animal kingdom, from fish to birds to mammals, there are creatures who feed on other creatures. And I think this occurred well before Man was created.

I think it typifies the world presenting to the angels what rebellion looks like. Since this does not affect mankind directly, I don't think God defines this as "evil," but only to show us how we are to live ourselves as people.

It's well worth discussing, but it's beyond me. I wasn't there. When the Scriptures indicated that God created vegetarians, I'm not sure He was excluding carnivores? It was just said that plants were made available to all creatures--not that these creatures were strictly vegetarians.

The Scriptures may have focused Man upon animals who were vegetarians for the same reason He had asked them not to desire the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Focusing on carnivorous animals might stimulate thoughts about the knowledge of evil. Once Man had sinned, animals were killed for skins, and Man was given to eat meat along with plants.

But you make a pretty good argument. I might have a problem with all of the fish of the sea eating only algae? So many animals were created with predatory or defensive capabilities. It seems that death in the animal kingdom would be everywhere from creation. This illustrates truths about good and evil, but they are not evil, since it does not involve the death of people.

I will grant you. The Scriptures don't appear to say to animals, in the creation account, "You shall have one another for food." So there's that. ;)
 
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Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Was Isaiah talking about internal morals or external events?
Isaiah was voicing the commonly held Hebrew view that God being One has no rivals.
Satan was not seen as the destroying factor for the Hebrews but rather as the accuser (prosecutor) subsequently, everything that happened, both good and bad was attributed to God.

It was not until Jesus came and spoke to the origin of evil and enlightened us on who Satan actually is.....the one who has the power of death, that any clarity came to the matter.
 

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So tell us, anyone with a brain, what evil did God create?

None.

See the "DEVIL" for "EVIL".

A.) "God is Love" and there is no evil found in God.

IN God....there is only Life, Holiness, Righteousness, Truth., Power....LOVE.

Jesus is "God manifested in the Flesh" who "went about doing GOOD".

God is GOOD... all the time... .never evil.
 

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Thanks much!

Thanks again.

Yes, I couldn't argue it because it gets into the old argument about how old the earth is, dating validity, etc. If the science of dating is inaccurate, you might have an argument.

I don't personally have a problem thinking God created carnivores millions of years before creating Man. I don't view animals killing one another as evil.

Throughout the entire animal kingdom, from fish to birds to mammals, there are creatures who feed on other creatures. And I think this occurred well before Man was created.

I think it typifies the world presenting to the angels what rebellion looks like. Since this does not affect mankind directly, I don't think God defines this as "evil," but only to show us how we are to live ourselves as people.

It's well worth discussing, but it's beyond me. I wasn't there. When the Scriptures indicated that God created vegetarians, I'm not sure He was excluding carnivores? It was just said that plants were made available to all creatures--not that these creatures were strictly vegetarians.

The Scriptures may have focused Man upon animals who were vegetarians for the same reason He had asked them not to desire the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Focusing on carnivorous animals might stimulate thoughts about the knowledge of evil. Once Man had sinned, animals were killed for skins, and Man was given to eat meat along with plants.

But you make a pretty good argument. I might have a problem with all of the fish of the sea eating only algae? So many animals were created with predatory or defensive capabilities. It seems that death in the animal kingdom would be everywhere from creation. This illustrates truths about good and evil, but they are not evil, since it does not involve the death of people.

I will grant you. The Scriptures don't appear to say to animals, in the creation account, "You shall have one another for food." So there's that. ;)
Thanks for the reply!
Agree, the timing could be right on or really off, that's where I leave the building, lol...not good with math and such.
"You shall have one another for food." <---LOL!!
 
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None.

See the "DEVIL" for "EVIL".

A.) "God is Love" and there is no evil found in God.

IN God....there is only Life, Holiness, Righteousness, Truth., Power....LOVE.

Jesus is "God manifested in the Flesh" who "went about doing GOOD".

God is GOOD... all the time... .never evil.
So you do not believe what is written in the book of Isaiah?
King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

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There is evil in the ethical moral sense and there is evil in the sense of bad or distressful situations/events.

King James Bible Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Was Isaiah talking about internal morals or external events?

Let's see the parallelism:

I form the light and create darkness,
I make peace and create evil

Light reflects peaceful situations and peaceful places. It is not so much about peaceful morality.

By parallelism, darkness contains evil situations. It is not so much about evil moral values.

New King James Version:


Ellicott explained:

God has given the answer and explanation since the beginning:
Genesis 1​
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.​

God has been removing darkness (evil) by creating or manifesting a setting wherein darkness can and is removed from the goodness of God...daily. Then comes the end.