I will raise them on the last day.

[Marty fox]

You just solidified God's POINT = HE Said man SHALL rule and reign with CHRIST for 1,000 Years on earth.

God OPENLY displayed it on earth with Adam, but because of SIN, Adam fell short by 70 years.

That's false God never said "HE Said man SHALL rule and reign with CHRIST for 1,000 Years on earth".

God said "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" no "on earth" mentioned thats our point

 

[David in NJ]

Let me know if you want to share a serious argument about this. I can't take this 930 years stuff seriously. And you won't even answer any of my questions. You say that Adam's life was cut short of 1,000 because of his sin. Does that mean you think he would have lived 1,000 years and then died instead? Is this question too hard for you to answer? If not, can you please just answer it? Why are you unwilling to make any attempt to clarify what in the world your point is here?

For now, we will leave it at this.

SHALOM

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

For now, we will leave it at this.

SHALOM

So, it's just too hard for you to answer a simple question which means I can only conclude that you don't actually want to be taken seriously in relation to this topic. Okay then. You should just stick to proving post-trib and refuting pre-trib.

 

[David in NJ]

That's false God never said "HE Said man SHALL rule and reign with CHRIST for 1,000 Years on earth".

God said "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years" no "on earth" mentioned thats our point

GENESIS
God created man to walk this earth with HIM for 1,000 years but Adam fell short due to SIN = thus Adam lived 930 years

GOSPEL and OT Prophets
JESUS is Coming back to Earth

For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

1Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

REVELATION
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

 

[Davidpt]

#1 - Where in the Scriptures did God ever, even once, say: man SHALL NOT live a literal 1,000 years???

Obviously, maybe not to Amils because of doctrinal bias', the 7K years of human history are patterned after the first week of creation history. Therefore, after God rests on the 7th day from all of His creative work pertaining to the previous 6 days of creative history, a new week begins. Except now 1k years represent each day since it would be ludricrous that 7 days of human history after God rests on the 7th day can be fulfilled witin 7 literal 24 hour days.

Which then means that Adam falls somewhere in the beginning of a new week after the previous week has been fulfilled first, meaning creation week. What's even more interesting about it is this. Adam falls in the beginning of a new week. Christ rises in the beginning of a new week, therefore, reversing the affects of the fall.

When looking at things in this manner, Adam is obviously living during one of these 1K year days except he never manages to live the entire 1K year day. He dies instead, so that what God told him would be true, in the day ye eat thereof, ye shall surely die. And sure enough he did. As a matter of fact, not one person has ever lived an entire 1K years. Why, though? Especially in Adam's case. If he can live 930 years, why couldn't he live another 70 years? Or 80 more years? Or 90 more years?

Is someone trying to tell us something here? Of course they are. Even early church fathers during ancient times discerned these things. And here it is 2000 years later, no longer ancient times, thus knowedge has vastly increased, and still some interpreters lack discerment some early church fathers already possessed during ancient times. And the reason they do is obvious. It's called doctrinal bias.

 

[David in NJ]

Obviously, maybe not to Amils because of doctrinal bias', the 7K years of human history are patterned after the first week of creation history. Therefore, after God rests on the 7th day from all of His creative work pertaining to the previous 6 days of creative history, a new week begins. Except now 1k years represent each day since it would be ludricrous that 7 days of human history after God rests on the 7th day can be fulfilled witin 7 literal 24 hour days.

Which then means that Adam falls somewhere in the beginning of a new week after the previous week has been fulfilled first, meaning creation week. What's even more interesting about it is this. Adam falls in the beginning of a new week. Christ rises in the beginning of a new week, therefore, reversing the affects of the fall.

When looking at things in this manner, Adam is obviously living during one of these 1K year days except he never manages to live the entire 1K year day. He dies instead, so that what God told him would be true, in the day ye eat thereof, ye shall surely die. And sure enough he did. As a matter of fact, not one person has ever lived an entire 1K years. Why, though? Especially in Adam's case. If he can live 930 years, why couldn't he live another 70 years? Or 80 more years? Or 90 more years?

Is someone trying to tell us something here? Of course they are. Even early church fathers during ancient times discerned these things. And here it is 2000 years later, no longer ancient times, thus knowedge has vastly increased, and still some interpreters lack discerment some early church fathers already possessed during ancient times. And the reason they do is obvious. It's called doctrinal bias.

Adam falls in the beginning of a new week. Christ rises in the beginning of a new week, therefore, reversing the affects of the fall.

i AGREE

1 Cor ch15
However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.
The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.
As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust;
and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.
And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

 

[Marty fox]

GENESIS
God created man to walk this earth with HIM for 1,000 years but Adam fell short due to SIN = thus Adam lived 930 years

GOSPEL and OT Prophets
JESUS is Coming back to Earth

For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

1Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your [a]spoil will be divided in your midst.
2For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses Zechariah 14 NKJVrifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

REVELATION
And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations—

‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
as I also have received from My Father; and I will give him the morning star.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

So I was right it doesn't say "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years on earth"

I believe that we reign with Jesus now currently in heaven or on earth since the first advent but not one verse in the bible says that we reign with Jesus for a thousand years on earth.

 

[David in NJ]

So I was right it doesn't say "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years on earth"

I believe that we reign with Jesus now currently in heaven or on earth since the first advent but not one verse in the bible says that we reign with Jesus for a thousand years on earth.

Revelation 20

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Simple Fix Marty, just find in the Scripture where God supposedly said: "this will never take place on earth"

Or, we can SEE that CHRIST Returns to earth for the Resurrection of the dead whereby the graves open up
1 Thess 4:13-18 and Isaiah ch26

Your dead shall live;
Together with my dead body they shall arise.
Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust;
For your dew is like the dew of herbs,
And the earth shall cast out the dead.

Come, my people, enter your chambers,
And shut your doors behind you;
Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment,
Until the indignation is past.
For behold, the Lord comes out of His place
To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;
The earth will also disclose her blood,
And will no more cover her slain.

 

[Marty fox]

Revelation 20

And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

Simple Fix Marty, just find in the Scripture where God supposedly said: "this will never take place on earth"

You cannot be serious here that's your answer?

The point is because it doesn't say its on the earth. You can same the same for the moon, sun or even mars. You quoted the scripture and added "on earth"

 

[David in NJ]

You cannot be serious here that's your answer?

The point is because it doesn't say its on the earth. You can same the same for the moon, sun or even mars. You quoted the scripture and added "on earth"

Dead bodies of the saints are buried on the moon and sun??? = you can't be serious

 

[Marty fox]

Dead bodies of the saints are buried on the moon and sun??? = you can't be serious

Of course not I was making a point

 

[David in NJ]

@Marty fox @Spiritual Israelite

Whether or not one believes in a literal 1,000 Years is TRIVIAL and non-threatening to one's walk with CHRIST.

pre-trib rapture, on the LEFT, is a very serious lie that will cause many, who placed their trust in it, to FALL AWAY.

 

[David in NJ]

Of course not I was making a point

so was i = we must be twins!!!

 

[Davidpt]

So I was right it doesn't say "They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years on earth"

I believe that we reign with Jesus now currently in heaven or on earth since the first advent but not one verse in the bible says that we reign with Jesus for a thousand years on earth.

Then you have to explain how human history matches the pattern involving the creation week in the beginning. Where can we see during those 6 days of creation where God is ever resting from His work during creation day 5 and 6? That's pretty much what Amils are doing with the millennium. The millennium would obviously be representing the sabbath rest in Genesis 2 after the first 6 days of creation, per this scenario. Except Amils have the millennium paralleling the past 2k years. And if each day of human history represents 1k years each, that's like having God resting on the 7th day in the beginning during day 5 and 6 of creation week. There is no logic to it. It's absurd, it's unreasonable. The 7th day comes after the first 6 days, not during any of the previous 6 days.

 

[David in NJ]

Then you have to explain how human history matches the pattern involving the creation week in the beginning. Where can we see during those 6 days of creation where God is ever resting from His work during creation day 5 and 6? That's pretty much what Amils are doing with the millennium. The millennium would obviously be representing the sabbath rest in Genesis 2 after the first 6 days of creation, per this scenario. Except Amils have the millennium paralleling the past 2k years. And if each day of human history represents 1k years each, that's like having God resting on the 7th day in the beginning during day 5 and 6 of creation week. There is no logic to it. It's absurd, it's unreasonable. The 7th day comes after the first 6 days, not during any of the previous 6 days.

add a 'n' to: "'ever' resting from His work during creation day 5 and 6"

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

GENESIS
God created man to walk this earth with HIM for 1,000 years but Adam fell short due to SIN = thus Adam lived 930 years

That is never stated in Genesis anywhere. I can't believe how dishonest you are being about this. Are you that desperate to keep your Premil beliefs afloat? You really need to just stick to the post-trib vs. pre-trib debate. You seem to be in over your head in the Amil vs. Premil debate. How else to explain these arguments that you make up in your imagination?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Marty fox @Spiritual Israelite

Whether or not one believes in a literal 1,000 Years is TRIVIAL and non-threatening to one's walk with CHRIST.

pre-trib rapture, on the LEFT, is a very serious lie that will cause many, who placed their trust in it, to FALL AWAY.

Of course. I never said otherwise. But, it's still part of scripture and if you're going to try to support Premil, you should not make things up and should support it with clear scripture instead of this 930 year old Adam nonsense.

 

[Davidpt]

add a 'n' to: "'ever' resting from His work during creation day 5 and 6"

Why, since that could support Amil? How can the 7th day be meaning never ending if the 7th day is the end of something, not the continuation of something? The text plainly tells us what he rested from. His rest has to do with the previous 6 days. And besides, how can there be a new day during the 7th day? A new day follows the 7th day, not parallels it.

In the event I wasn't entirely clear per that post of mine you are addressing, I then submitted what I said it in this post to Chatgpt plus some other things I told it pertaining to my position. He then polished it for me, so to speak, therefore, the following below basically expressing what I was meaning. Still my thoughts, still my meaning. The difference being, Chatgpt is obviously a better writer than I am or could ever be.

Chatgpt's polished version of what I was meaning in post #195
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Right — and that’s exactly the issue. The Amillennial view collapses the millennium into the present church age, but that destroys the prophetic pattern established from the very beginning.

From Genesis, God gave us the model of His redemptive timeline in the *creation week*. Six days of work, one day of rest. That’s not random — it’s a shadow of the full scope of human history.

If, as Psalm 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 suggest, *“a day with the Lord is as a thousand years,”* then the pattern naturally points to six “days” (6,000 years) of human toil and conflict, followed by a seventh “day” — the millennial Sabbath rest, when Christ reigns and creation finally rests (Hebrews 4:9-11, Revelation 20:1–6).

But the Amillennial framework disrupts that pattern entirely. It’s like saying God rested on the seventh day *while* He was still creating on days five and six. There’s no logical or scriptural precedent for that. The rest follows the labor — it doesn’t coincide with it.

In short, if the millennium represents the Sabbath rest of human history, it can’t be happening *during* the current “work week.” It has to come *after* — as the literal thousand-year reign of Christ on earth, after His return, when history finally enters God’s Sabbath rest.

 

[David in NJ]

Obviously, maybe not to Amils because of doctrinal bias', the 7K years of human history are patterned after the first week of creation history. Therefore, after God rests on the 7th day from all of His creative work pertaining to the previous 6 days of creative history, a new week begins. Except now 1k years represent each day since it would be ludricrous that 7 days of human history after God rests on the 7th day can be fulfilled witin 7 literal 24 hour days.

Which then means that Adam falls somewhere in the beginning of a new week after the previous week has been fulfilled first, meaning creation week. What's even more interesting about it is this. Adam falls in the beginning of a new week. Christ rises in the beginning of a new week, therefore, reversing the affects of the fall.

When looking at things in this manner, Adam is obviously living during one of these 1K year days except he never manages to live the entire 1K year day. He dies instead, so that what God told him would be true, in the day ye eat thereof, ye shall surely die. And sure enough he did. As a matter of fact, not one person has ever lived an entire 1K years. Why, though? Especially in Adam's case. If he can live 930 years, why couldn't he live another 70 years? Or 80 more years? Or 90 more years?

Is someone trying to tell us something here? Of course they are. Even early church fathers during ancient times discerned these things. And here it is 2000 years later, no longer ancient times, thus knowedge has vastly increased, and still some interpreters lack discerment some early church fathers already possessed during ancient times. And the reason they do is obvious. It's called doctrinal bias.

Notice that Adam fell short by 70 years

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Obviously, maybe not to Amils because of doctrinal bias', the 7K years of human history are patterned after the first week of creation history.

Show me where scripture itself teaches that there will be 7 thousand years of human history. You Premils make all these claims that are not taught anywhere in scripture. Why? Are you unable to provide any clear scriptures to back up your Premil belief? Why are you always resorting to these farfetched things to try to support your belief? To me, it's just an admission that you know that Premil is not taught in scripture, but you just believe what you want to believe and you will support it any way you can, including with this unbiblical nonsense about "7K years of human history".

Therefore, after God rests on the 7th day from all of His creative work pertaining to the previous 6 days of creative history, a new week begins. Except now 1k years represent each day since it would be ludricrous that 7 days of human history after God rests on the 7th day can be fulfilled witin 7 literal 24 hour days.

LOL. Where is this taught in scripture? Have you just given up on trying to use scripture to back up your beliefs?

Which then means that Adam falls somewhere in the beginning of a new week after the previous week has been fulfilled first, meaning creation week. What's even more interesting about it is this. Adam falls in the beginning of a new week. Christ rises in the beginning of a new week, therefore, reversing the affects of the fall.

When looking at things in this manner, Adam is obviously living during one of these 1K year days except he never manages to live the entire 1K year day. He dies instead, so that what God told him would be true, in the day ye eat thereof, ye shall surely die. And sure enough he did. As a matter of fact, not one person has ever lived an entire 1K years. Why, though? Especially in Adam's case. If he can live 930 years, why couldn't he live another 70 years? Or 80 more years? Or 90 more years?

What in the world is your point here? Are you saying that if he hadn't sinned he would have lived another 70 years and that somehow relates to the thousand years of Revelation 20? If he hadn't sinned, wouldn't he have never died since he died because of his sin? What does the thousand years have to do with Adam? Nothing.

Is someone trying to tell us something here?

Only your imagination.

Of course they are.

Yes, of course your imagination is trying to tell you that Adam's life span has something to do with the thousand years. But, not scripture.

Even early church fathers during ancient times discerned these things. And here it is 2000 years later, no longer ancient times, thus knowedge has vastly increased, and still some interpreters lack discerment some early church fathers already possessed during ancient times. And the reason they do is obvious. It's called doctrinal bias.

LOL. Just as is the case now, the early church fathers didn't agree about everything. And some of them had some ridiculous beliefs. Leave them out of this and use scripture to support your doctrine instead.